Why are you assuming they can give favor. The OP says other roles, not what alignment they are. Could be another town that could increase favor. None of those are AI confirmed.
Because the setup says other roles and not just the Emperor can grant favour, so I assume can steal favour or redirect it.
So your logic is... If you claim framer, scum will steal favor from another town and gift it to you? Your interpretation of that comment by the mod is that you would rather garner favor from the enemy then from town? I just don't get this thinking as town. Like at all.
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
why would they give you favor?
wylted sure
oh shit, I didn't realize we have 4 hours left.
I am going to go ahead and unvote, vtl magoroth.
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
Ya know what, I’m scum to you no matter what I say. My entire fucking point id that this DOESN’T FUCKING MATTER. Who cares if I’m reactive or not? Some people are more reactive than others and it’s a perfectly valid way of getting reads. If yiu want to tunnel yourself into scumreading me, don’t fucking ask for my help in doing it, thanks.
I am taking a step back because I actually have some nasty things to say and I’d rather not say them.
I want to vote Wryly and Thoth because they’re my top scumreads, but I really don’t want Lunatic to get away with this if he is scum. Almost want to vote him out of principle.
okay so mag claimed framer then lied? i kinda skimmed but if the dp is ending soon i probably wont have time to do a full catch up, got a busy day.
ill go ahead and add my vote so we don't end up running out of time and no lynching
vtl mago
I genuinely want to know your thought process. Why would you think scum would give you favor assuming they could. Wylted makes perfect sense as his activates miller. You claiming a role prevention role (forget if stop or block) and framer. Why would they target you. If anything they would assume you would waive which you said you could if I recall.
Redirect favour, give favour, in the end to the recipient it amounts to the same thing; if anything it might be stronger for scum to redirect rather than to grant favour
I am assuming Redirectors and such exist, it would be useful for scum to redirect a Framer onto random people, Miller is less important, a claimed Miller is almost irrelevant because the dude literally claimed he shows up as Scum, there’s no reason to visit a Miller claim as Cop so there wouldn’t be much reason for them to feed him favour; if anything they would steal favour from him bc people would go “but you said you show up as red, why did you show up as green last night?”
But why do you think claiming framer would have them target you? Or is that even relevant to the framer claim. I’m trying to understand the statement of “they would target me or wylted”. Why do you think they are going to target you.
But that assumes you have to use your frame. So you are saying. They would give you favor, assume you would use framer, and then also redirect you instead of waiving it which any town person would do
over giving it wylted which makes him perma guilty the entire game
Vote Count
Awesome5000 2/6 - Wylted, Thoth
Mikal 1/6 - Magoroth
Magoroth 2/6 - Banana, Lunatic
Roughly 4 Hours remaining before end of DP
I claimed Roleblocker and uhhh Watcher. I will actually full claim my last ability if it becomes necessary bc I don’t want to be lynched, I really wanted to play this game and it sucks that literally all 3 of my games here I would’ve gotten lynched. Both of my town games, too. I literally never get mislynched as Town. Or I used not to until MU/DC.
Ya know what, I’m scum to you no matter what I say. My entire fucking point id that this DOESN’T FUCKING MATTER. Who cares if I’m reactive or not? Some people are more reactive than others and it’s a perfectly valid way of getting reads. If yiu want to tunnel yourself into scumreading me, don’t fucking ask for my help in doing it, thanks.
You seem a little pissed, but for the record I am actually trying to be objective here. One thing I can say in your defense is you seem a lot more active in defending yourself than you did in the Maga game where you were scum. Pie told me a little bit about that one but I didn't read it fully, but your behavior is noticably different there. That said it doesn't really erase some of the problem points I brought up. At the very least if you flip town, I will have learned a bit about you and will know how to percieve you going forward. There is also a limited amount of time left, but yeah I was probably headed towards voting in your direction either way.
I am taking a step back because I actually have some nasty things to say and I’d rather not say them.
You can say em lol. You can ask anyone, we get heated in this game all the time. Me and pie have said many a nasty thing to one another in game, but when we go to the next one is a refresh and a restart. I obviously don't harbour any ill will towards anyone over a game. If that's different for you, it is what it is. I'll sleep okay tonight though.
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
Well, I didn’t think about it in THAT much detail. I just figured Framer = bad role = give favour
You prob need to full claim because you are a bit all over the place. I’d wait until you are closer to l-1 but you have to see how your behaving weird.
you are essentially saying claiming framer was going to make scum give or redirect favor to you over Wylted, and that they would know you would use your negative utility roles instead of waiving which (which any town would do) and you would use it in a way that benefits them.
My past experience indicates that when someone makes you incredibly angry when they push you, they are probably Town. Sorry. I’m just not used to this kind of pressure anymore, I used to be used to it but it was on my homesite which is now defunct.
Okay. Well… I’m Vengeful. I didn’t want to claim Vengeful because I wanted to keep it around until LyLo/MyLo in case I got mislynched. That would probably out both scum and win us the game.
There. I am Vengeful due to my vindictive nature, something to do with
VTL Lunatic
Scratch what I said about Lunatic, I think me being angry makes me Town, not him. Him pushing this this hard makes him UBER CONFIDENT which is a SCUM TRAIT
Vengeful does fit with the character. How specifically does it work? You kill the person who hammers you?
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
Damn, a lot happened since last night. I'm going to catch up and give some thoughts. Looks like we've got about 3.5 hours left in the DP, so I'll try to make this quick.
Being pissed or even feigning being pissed is cool. But I think you have to see how people are looking at you
chalk all that up to being new but then
i buy the latter but you are def acting the strangest out of everyone and I’m really struggling to pin down whether it’s just poor play and scum slips or you are just new and nervous.
It usually always deactivates at mylo
Can you full claim at this point. I’m leaning toward Thoth or someone else on your wagon given hour reaction but want toakw sure this all ties up. No reason not to at this point.
Scratch what I said about Lunatic, I think me being angry makes me Town, not him. Him pushing this this hard makes him UBER CONFIDENT which is a SCUM TRAIT
It isn't about being super confident, I am okay with being wrong. Fact of the matter was that we had 4 hours left and you had admitted to lying and have been very reactive to little pressure, among other behaviors I pointed out. I never said you were confirmed scum or anything. If we had more time I would still be pressuring awesome5000 here. Also I think you are incorrect that being "confident" is a scum trait, because that would just make me look bad if you flipped town. It stands to reason that I am pushing you because I genuinely don't understand your behavior as opposed to being dead set that you are scum.
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
Basically I sought revenge against someone for murdering my malformed son or some shit, and due to my vengeful nature, at the highest rank I attain the role Vengeful
Has he been caught as scum before ?
Do you have a character?
