Ruyi Zhuan Mafia DP2

I don’t recall this game. Which one? Also, if Wylted is telling the truth, there has to be a Cop in the game as well. Bottomline, you, Wylted, Mago, and Shining are in a soft CC.

Idk bro I just sat down to eat for the first time today. Barry mafia? Though I think I was a 1x Tracker 1x Watcher so I guess it doesn't count.

But I totally forgot about Wylted's Miller, you're right. Rolecop x Cop x Watcher x Tracker is positively loaded. Hmm.

Wryly claims she Tracked Mikal to Wylted, though it's unclear what Mikal did. If Wylted's right about what Vader told him (I haven't check in with him yet), then the High Adjudicator couldn't have been used since it wouldn't have been a visit.

Not sure what you mean by this btw, I thought it was only the Emperor's favor handouts that don't count as visits.

Barry Mafia had a stacked town with like 3 investigatives.

Has anyone claimed cop?

Not sure what you mean by this btw, I thought it was only the Emperor's favor handouts that don't count as visits.

I’m still waiting to hear back from REF, but this is what Wylted said:

Vader said taking or giving favor doesn't count as a visit.

That seems broader than the Vader’s handing out favor.

Barry Mafia had a stacked town with like 3 investigatives.

I designed that game, so I can confidently say there were two: a Watcher/Tracker and a Dreamer.

Has anyone claimed cop?

Not that I’ve seen, though Wylted’s Miller does imply one exists.

I checked in with REF and I was wrong. It’s only Vader’s distribution of favor that doesn’t register as a visit.

Okay, I'll just out this. I have a passive that allows me to tell who visited me during the night, and something called a shadow posioner did.

I don't think it was Barry mafia. I think it was the last game we were mafia together with the sensor.

Okay, I'll just out this. I have a passive that allows me to tell who visited me during the night, and something called a shadow posioner did.

Never heard of that one before. I'll say I didn't visit you.

I don't think it was Barry mafia. I think it was the last game we were mafia together with the sensor.

Ah yeah, that was the Chicago Bears game. Cop, Tracker, Sensor. Fair point, though that bore Vader's unusual hallmarks. Hard to say how that would apply outside of games he mods.

Anyway, I'm rapidly fading, going to pick this back up tomorrow.

Well I've done a bit of a 180 on magoroth, was still pretty paranoid about him going into the night and was actually planning on doing exactly what wylted did and seeing if I could bait a reaction out of him with a fake result, because he was falling into a lot of scum tells yesterday, but there was still a big part of me with doubts. But with the poisoner targeting him and my role kind of confirming the existence of a poisoner, it stands to reason.

While I would agree in general that multiple investigation roles seems kind of powerful, I think we can give that argument a little bit of leeway considering its all based on favor, technically people only have a role or any power if vader grants it to them, so theres a world where none of these investigative roles are ever active at the same time. I am getting strong town vibes from pie also, might just be he is echoing a lot of my thoughts. Not feeling the best about wryly anymore based on her voting behavior last day phase, for how scummy mago was acting I think she was trying to save face by not voting him thinking him flipping town would make her look good, other people town reading mago had more reason for it IE mikal, but wryly was just non committal for the sake of it, and when I called her out on it, she kind of just dismissed it as a joke, so it suggests some inside information to me. That said the tracking result plus targeting a claimed miller does lowkey make sense so I am not full sussing her yet.

last night, I came to the conclusion, like 3 times, that Lunatic was probably scum, and that the train on me was scum driven, because it was too sudden and came seemingly out of nowhere. Lunatic/Pie might actually be a decent team in that theory

All that paranoia about you getting a purposeful mislynch train on you, and a lynch didn't even happen lol. Kind of defeats your point here. If anything I am more suspicious of the people who weren't on your wagon in light of everything you did last day phase. Mikal was well reasoned at least, but I think many others were just trying to save face.

I have a suspicion scum were super against mass claim and desperately wanted to move the discussion away from that so they pushed me

Every single person in this game has told you they are against a mass claim, so unless you think everyone is scum and you are the only townie, this logic is pretty bad.

maybe, but Lunatic feels extremely scummy to me. he would shoot down every point I made as to why I was town, literally the exchange went

Lunatic: why X?

Me: Because Y (true)

Lunatic: That cannot be, your argument is invalid

-- (reality is invalid) --

or

Lunatic: Why X?

Me: Because Y

Lunatic: Y is scummy

*screams into the aether*

I just can’t think someone this utterly convinced someone is scum ON DAY ONE is Town. especially since after I had that major freak out, he would say ridiculously scummy things like “we can afford a mislynch"

I realise my tone isn’t helping me, because I’m loud and I’m angry, but think about it, why would Town be so confident of a player’s alignment on D1, then backtrack and say “gee he’s probably Town but we can afford the mislynch”? it’s literally anticipating a Town flip (TMI) and also opportunistically trying to push a Lynch through at all cost

You realize I didn't vote you until there was only 4 hours in the day phase remaining right? Also you kept giving blatantly scummy answers to all my questions, you lie to yourself and pretend like you weren't acting scummy, but literally almost every person in the game has called you out for the same behavior. Maybe you are pissed at me because I am more blunt about it than others lmao. And you are actually lying if you said I town read you in dp1. I was being open minded about you being town, but ultimately thought you were scum. I challenge you to point out a time where I said I thought you were town. It didn't happen. Funny how you are so against lies, but are consistently doing it, and trying to sell the fact that you are town. You openly admitted to lying about your role last day phase, and that wasn't even the nail in the coffin reason I was voting you.

I really think this comes down to you being majorly butt hurt that I was voting you last day phase. Come on man, we have two females in this game, and you are being more emotional than I've ever seen either of them act lol. Are you on your man period?

Lunatic, I think is scum because he keeps finding reasons either why I’m scum or why I have to be lynched. and when he interrogated me, he would basically twist my answers and turn them into scummy ones

basically like 90% of the shit he did until I said I would insult him or some shit was to take every action I did and align it with scum

he also was IMO far too confident that I was scum, far too early on (and his arguments look... weird, in a scummy way to me): “if it quacks like a duck, it’s a duck”, it’s a scummy argument IMO

and the biggest tell is that he said it’s okay to mislynch a town :eyes: I have a friend who was very good at Mafia and that was literally his scum strategy. try to build up the idea that its okay to mislynch town because information or whatnot.

let’s not get started on how his arguments after I freaked out (we need to come up with a name for this event, the Magoroth Incident^TM) basically called me Town, or indicated he thought I was Town yet he claimed I was scum. whiteflame did this in my first game with him and he was scum

I town read you now and I STILL think lynching you would have been the best course of action last day phase. Not only can we afford it with mikal being killed giving us an extra mislynch oppertunity, you have been the focus of conversation for two friggin day phases now, and we have had one power role already waste actions on you, and your apparently just going to die anyway now. You are extremely emotional and literally have suspected EVERY SINGLE PERSON who even dared suspect you, you literally aren't helping town in the slightest, you are more of a liability at this point than you have ever helped, plus your role is useless because of the way you claimed anyway. I have policy lynched people I town read in the past for replicating this type of behavior and I would advocate one again. Ask anyone, I've treated savant and RM similar in games where I was town. You can see feminist mafia for an example: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12881-feminist-mafia-day-1

I was targeted by a shadow posioner. Isn't it more likely the posioner can target someone, and whoever they visit gets poisoned? idk

Wait we have two people claiming to be poisoned? Interesting...

What were you told about your poison?

I am not sure exactly what happened to me.

All I know is that something called a Shadow Posioner visited me, and I was told that had it not been for my passive, I would NOT be told.

not sure why you’re reacting like this

*gets angry and votes shining for revealing his role he already revealed*

*shining says your over reacting and asks why your angry*

"JEEZ NOT SURE WHY YOUR REACTING LIKE THIS"

You an actual meme dude.

I am not sure exactly what happened to me.

All I know is that something called a Shadow Posioner visited me, and I was told that had it not been for my passive, I would NOT be told.

So just to clear up my confusion are you currently poisoned or were you just told you were visited by a poisoner?

Probably the first time we got a Beloved Princess to work, I’ll take it. We need the 2 lynches in a row after that No Lynch yesterday. The fact that Mago escaped that lynch is mind boggling.

Tell me about it, that was lowkey triggering. I would have rather just dealt with the backlash of a mislynch then having spent hours wasting my breath to accomplish nothing, when there was ACTUALLY people on who could have made that lynch happen. Now we have wasted a bunch of power roles confirming a guy who is going to die anyway and will never have a useful role. This is a stellar situation isn't it?

I haven't even caught up with all of last DP yet, let alone this one, but for now I'm just going to drop in and say this: I played through yesterday thinking that I could use my ability last night, even though I don't think it would have been of much use. I noticed tonight that I did not have enough favor to use it. Rex confirmed that it was a mistake to tell me I could use it.

Yeah I was thinking you were kind of dumb at first for blatantly asking for favor multiple times. Like you don't think becoming OP from favor doesn't apply to literally everyone in this game? But then I started thinking about it and it just made me suspicious of you, because if I was scum that's totally something I would do for town cred is blatantly ask the emperor for favor...

not gonna deal with this. you guys can try and Lynch me all you want, I’m Town and I won’t engage with this nonsense AGAIN. if you want to waste a second day by pushing a Lynch on me, be my guest but I won’t be a party to it.

Here's a suggestion, and you will probably just ignore it, but I feel inclined to give it anyway. Try not being such an emotional little bitch boy and actually just play normally, rather than creating a drama fest any time someone suspects you. For reals, it could do wonders for you and save you from these massive headaches you claim your getting. Just a thought.

I was not told I am poisoned

The word targeted was used however.

Why did you track Mikal?

Can you ask Rex to clarify if you are indeed poisoned? Maybe the poisoner has two actions and visited both you and margo. Just trying to make sure this isn't a CC situation because two poisoners is a bit crazy scum sided.

Any results, thoughts?

Just asked him. Going to sleep now.

wait, if magoroth is poisoned what's the point of lynching him