Ruyi Zhuan Mafia DP3

Oh wait in the game

Pretty sure pie is scum here. He is only really pressuring people he thinks he can secure easy mislynches on, somehow town reads all the vets, normal pie would be hella sus of the other vets.

What do you mean? There’s a clear POE here. Mago will be exposed tomorrow if he lives (I still think he’s scummy. Haven’t forgotten previous DP). You/WF are at the end of the POE because one of you is the Protective role and the reads on each other, though I’ve already stated I think the non-protective role is more likely to be scum. Shining is probably the towniest person here. Wylted is on outskirts of POE. Only way he’s scum is if Miller was given as fake claim

That leaves…Wryly, Awesome/Kohai, Banana. I can’t help that the weakest players are in POE and I have at worse a null read on the other players who coincidentally are more experienced.

Plus the role is an outlier, strengthener is kind of a common fake claim and the slanderer is kind of a CC by kohai only khoais is more of a theft (which he strangely didn't mention, even though he was harping on wryly/shining cc'ing each other).

I can’t help what REF gave me. And if you think this is a fake claims, then you have to assume REF gave it to me. It’s not a safe claim if it’s a shitty fake claim

Like even buying the excuse that pie is busy (I know he genuinely is) like his behavior still feels different even analyzing his active posts. 0 interaction between him and kohai.

How am I supposed to interact with someone who has been even more inactive than me in DP1 and DP2, and hasn’t said much this DP3?

I think his vote on awesome was to look town last day phase, but kohai hasn't done a lot, and I feel like there would be a lot of focus on him from pie but there isn't. I am seeing a scum team here.

He’s part of the POE as I described earlier, but his role doesn’t stick out like Banana’s does. My focus is on my top scum read.

Pie being adamant about 2 scum and a third party suggests inside information as well, I think that is a pretty wild conclusion to jump to otherwise.

If I was scum, how would I know there’s a TP? This makes no sense? I’m saying from a pure balance standpoint it makes sense to 8-2-1 but it’s obviously up to REF.

Lastly in post 172 of dp1 pie said if he had enough favor he could carry the game.

Yep, at that point in time, I thought I could. I’ve explained this you in private. Everytime I stay alive I’m scumread because everyone is paranoid that Pie has to be scum. If I’m immune to lynches, I’m basically confirmed town, and I can lead town to victory. And also I’ll have Doctors or Watchers or similar on me in the night.

I was thinking he had some really amazing role here that could help him break the game, but the only thing I can fathom to think of that he could be referring to is his lynchproof, which 1. Requires him to be way more active and have amazing reads to use

I’m basically almost there. I can literally prove myself tomorrow with a little more favor. It’s the closest thing to mod confirmation.

2. Ignores the fact that his slanderer role could actually harmfully impact the town.

My plan was to waive anyways unless I was absolutely certain the person was scum. Like I would’ve used it on Mago if I could’ve.

And like I said earlier, I think scum probably have some pretty powerful roles based on how strong the town appears to be.

Assuming everyone is telling the truth and the game is balanced, yes. But I don’t know what scum have

Meaning that asking for favor would probably be a viable strategy from scum, not only for that but because it means that favor isn't getting fed into town power roles. It just doesn't make sense to ask for favor if you know your going to be busy and not able to post like anything if you think you are going to carry town to victory with a lynchproof lol.

At that point I had just gotten back from vacation. I didn’t think I’d be worked like a slave lol.

VTL Pie

Whats your reasoning?

I'm honestly burned out rn so y'all can think whatever you want

I will get no tracker results but I can still uselessly target people to track, so I suppose I could track Shining this NP and he would detect my visit. Closest thing to confirmation I can give y'all

There were 12 players at first. No way there is only 2 mafia. Anything, I get Pie is really busy, but something seems off with him.

Pie may be my top scumread right now. I know he's been slammed at work but his behavior just feels more like scum trying to play while busy than town trying to play while busy

I’m trying to scum hunt. What flaw do you see in my reasoning for scumreading Banana. There’s role mechanics. Every DP, she just comes in to vote and then dips.

There were 12 players at first. No way there is only 2 mafia. Anything, I get Pie is really busy, but something seems off with him.

I admit I’m busy. I’m stressed. Life sucks. Yes there’s something off. Congrats, you’re thinking the same exact thing everyone else is thinking including me

I know you’re probably gonna scumread me for this, but:

1. I wasn’t really super sure you were scum, just kinda agreed with Lunatic that you suggesting there’s 3P could come from some kinda informed perspective (for example, you’re Mafia and you know your faction has only one fake claim).
2. However, you saying “If I was scum, how would I know there’s a TP? This makes no sense? I’m saying from a pure balance standpoint it makes sense to 8-2-1 but it’s obviously up to REF.” sounds towny. I don’t see a scum stating the obvious this easily.

Pie, why is Lunatic outside your PoE? Assume I am Town for a second. Is he possibly scum.

I’m trying to scum hunt. What flaw do you see in my reasoning for scumreading Banana. There’s role mechanics. Every DP, she just comes in to vote and then dips.

The only flaw I've seen in your reasoning of Banana is that you misrepresented her role and you're criticizing her for posting sporadically when several players have been posting sporadically, you among them. Otherwise I agree, she is in the POE. Continuing to discuss Mago as scum in DP3 however kind of baffles me.

Really sorry life is being such a bitch for you rn btw

I think Pie is Town.

I guess my role this game is to veto town mislynches that everyone wants.

I guess he could be 3P, but I still doubt he would "If I was scum, how would I know there’s a TP? This makes no sense? I’m saying from a pure balance standpoint it makes sense to 8-2-1 but it’s obviously up to REF.” in that case.

Personally I think 8/3/0 works just fine, but that’s just my opinion.

VTL Banana

I don’t even really scumread Banana, but I definitely prefer Banana over Pie. And would prefer Lunatic over Pie. Still don’t understand why people townread him. I think he’s a good player and can easily seem town, so to me it looks NAI (but I have the benefit/disadvantage of more personal interactions with him so it looks scummy on a deep level to me)

I was just curious because I was hoping to get in ja-panties

did I laugh, yes

should you go directly to jail, also yes

Fwiw I think Luna's point that Pie's 3P conjecture indicates inside information is one of his more tenuous.

And would prefer Lunatic over Pie. Still don’t understand why people townread him. I think he’s a good player and can easily seem town, so to me it looks NAI (but I have the benefit/disadvantage of more personal interactions with him so it looks scummy on a deep level to me)

He's an experienced player and could easily just be playing his part well, so he's not out of consideration, as I said. But it shouldn't be hard to understand why his analysis and scumhunting are coming across as behavioral green flags. The only odd thing I've seen is his townread of whiteflame after saying whiteflame was in his POE last DP.

Just a heads up I probably won’t be too active going forward. My interest in this game is dying fast. Feel like I’m talking to myself or a brick wall half the time. I’ll be around if you ping me but yeah

I hope on some level you can see the irony and hypocrisy behind you doing the same thing to me that you were accusing me of doing to you in dp1. Have fun. Be the leader you think I failed at. I believe in you. Carry us to victory. I’m gonna spend my time doing something I enjoy because this game is not it.

I know you’re probably gonna scumread me for this, but:

I wasn’t really super sure you were scum, just kinda agreed with Lunatic that you suggesting there’s 3P could come from some kinda informed perspective (for example, you’re Mafia and you know your faction has only one fake claim).

I’ve said in countless games before about how many scum I think there are based on the balance of the game. All I’m saying is just high level, if I were to design a game with 11 players, it would be 8-2-1. Could it be 8-3? Yes ofc. All of this is purely my opinion, and ive done similar to this in a large number of games in the past as well.

Bro I'm burned out with family stuff, Pie is slammed at work, many of our players haven't been posting enough. I can't blame you for not having tons of fun with this one

Pie, why is Lunatic outside your PoE? Assume I am Town for a second. Is he possibly scum.

He’s on the outside of my POE depending on if he’s the Doctor or the Neighborizer. If he is the Neighborizer, then yes, he is possibly scum, but I’m less confident on that compared to Banana.

The only odd thing I've seen is his townread of whiteflame after saying whiteflame was in his POE last DP

whiteflame had to be in the POE because he hadn’t claimed. It would be awkward if I was putting others in the POe for no claims but not him.

Bro I'm burned out with family stuff, Pie is slammed at work, many of our players haven't been posting enough. I can't blame you for not having tons of fun with this one

its not even really just the activity though I definitely think it plays a part in it. Would have been nice to have Thoth on his A game here. But like people aren’t hearing what I’m saying or scum read me for it. Mago just will perpetuate ally scum read me no matter what I say or do, and it’s been pulling teeth to get any lynches accomplished. Probably wouldn’t have even got Thoth lynched if it weren’t for the double vote. Sad thing is I think most of the people on both wagons were probably town and scum is probably just letting us hang ourselves becythey can get away with it and farm town cred when we do mislynch.

So I got caught up in a new anime and lost track of time.

I'm curious: which one?

Whiteflame is definetly the odd man out too. I can never behaviorally read him

I take this read as a compliment in any game.

I think my POE is Banana, Whiteflame, Pie, Kohai, Wylted at the moment.

I just don't get the read on Wylted. He'd have to have been given the Miller as a fake claim, and it's such a weird fake claim to give scum since it is inherently negative utility and only acquired at high favor. Strikes me as more likely town than not. Other than that, I agree with this POE.

The only flaw I've seen in your reasoning of Banana is that you misrepresented her role

I think everyone misunderstood the reasoning for that post. It was to show that her role is a custom role according to her, but it’s also a real role that’s out there. If all the custom roles have custom names, why is this one role not custom named

and you're criticizing her for posting sporadically when several players have been posting sporadically, you among them.

I’m not criticizing her for posting sporadically. I’m criticizing her for just coming in to vote and then leaving. She’s just wagoning to wagon. Awesome/Kohai hasn’t posted anything, but he’s next on my list of POE. I fully admit that I haven’t posted as much as I’d like, but I’ve posted more than those two.

Otherwise I agree, she is in the POE. Continuing to discuss Mago as scum in DP3 however kind of baffles me.

I think his behavior was/is objectively scummy, but as we talked about before, if he lives tomorrow, that’s the avenue to lynch him. And assuming 2 scum, 3 scum or 2-1 it’s going to be MYLO/LYLO tomorrow, so you have to reevaluate anyways. It’s going to be hard for them because if I get enough favor, I confirm myself tomorrow and that’s one less head in the POE.

Really sorry life is being such a bitch for you rn btw

no, rex said it was seperate from favor which means it has nothing to do with favor. vader has other actions he can use aparently, and i can stop those. and i agree that it has negative utility, so i probably wont end up using that one. also apparently vader didnt use any actions np1 so i couldnt have used it anyway

Oh, I completely misunderstood. I understand what you're getting at now.

VTL Banana

Pretty sure pie is scum here.

Main thing that's holding me back from lynching him is that we could potentially just confirm him next DP. If my math is right, he's claiming to have 7 favor right now, so he could theoretically have the lynchproof next DP. Not saying it solves the game, but maybe the thinking here was that it would be a big boon to town to have someone who is effectively confirmed going into the late game.

Consort- slander can remove two favor from a person of my choosing. I won't do it though I am assuming only town can give favor so I wouldn't want to. This is even night

Noble consort- odd night vigilante

Imperial- become miller

Alright, so you have a potentially confirmable role in the Vig. Guessing you didn't have the favor to use that, based on the loss from Mikal anyway.

It's running late but I am open to switching to wryly the votes on pie are me you and mago

If we can actually accomplish wryly first it may be preferred but

I just don't get the sus on Wryly at all.

Why? The only thing going for her is the mechanical aspect of her role.

The fact that her role apparently stopped functioning at the same time as Mago's stands out.

Exactly, and I’m super close. I can literally confirm myself with a little more favor. It’s the closest thing to mod confirmed town in the game

That's what is holding me back from making you the priority lynch.

Thats my point though. All the roles are either custom roles that you can’t find anywhere or are normal roles. This one sticks out in the sense that the role is out there, but description is different. If REF created all these names for the custom roles, the way she’s describing it is a custom role too, so why would he give a name that has something attached to it?

At this point, we're just getting into the weeds of modpsych and that's never a great place to be. The name could be the same for all kinds of reasons. The Siren role as she describes it is odd regardless and worth sussing by itself, so I'll leave it at that.