Ruyi Zhuan Mafia DP3

I'm the shade of a vampire who's just been told it will be daylight all the time now

So a shut-in then? Get out into the light!

I will get no tracker results but I can still uselessly target people to track, so I suppose I could track Shining this NP and he would detect my visit. Closest thing to confirmation I can give y'all

Huh, so you just visit now? That's... different.

I know some are conservative but my philosophy with vig is to shoot every time I am able so town gets double the kills. I couldn't use it but tried to shoot mago anyway.

I'd honestly be more surprised if you hadn't, especially after the NL, but with favor being what it is and the apparent loss to it you suffered, I get why you wouldn't have been able to shoot.

Alright, that's me rapidly catching up on the DP, assuming I didn't miss anything important. It's late and I have a debate to read that I've been putting off for far too long. I'd like to get an updated vote count (preferably out of 5 this time, given that's the threshold for a lynch) and I'll make a call in the morning.

VTL Banana

why what did i do

Banana - To be honest if any character was given a role which could veto the Emperor I would've expected it to be the Empress Dowager, but online info says Consort Rong was an aloof princess who was kind of a nexus of drama because the Emperor simped for her, so maybe I could see it. Eh, justification analysis is useless with full fake claims anyway. Banana does have two powers that are confirmable, but they have yet to be demonstrated. Null.

ya from my role description and videos rex linked me, it seems like she won the emporor over with a dance and he lusts for her and wants to make him happy. the emporer kind of goes out of his way to make her happy and buys her a bunch of stuff from her home land to make her feel comfortable, and the rest of the harem initially are kind of jealous of her

Shen soco lun A'ruo

Not spell checking

Consort- slander can remove two favor from a person of my choosing. I won't do it though I am assuming only town can give favor so I wouldn't want to. This is even night

Noble consort- odd night vigilante

Imperial- become miller

wait pie claimed even night slanderer too. why is no one talking about this?

Bitches why are you still scumreading me

they are crazy, ive had you hard pegged as town all game, still do

I'm honestly burned out rn so y'all can think whatever you want

I will get no tracker results but I can still uselessly target people to track, so I suppose I could track Shining this NP and he would detect my visit. Closest thing to confirmation I can give y'all

this is a great idea actually. worst case scenario scum waste an action on you to stop this, and thats better than them using it on someone else. that said i still think ur town

VTL Banana

I don’t even really scumread Banana, but I definitely prefer Banana over Pie. And would prefer Lunatic over Pie. Still don’t understand why people townread him. I think he’s a good player and can easily seem town, so to me it looks NAI (but I have the benefit/disadvantage of more personal interactions with him so it looks scummy on a deep level to me)

wait so ur voting someone u dont even scum read after blaming luna for mislynching thoth? you are a very confusing person good sir

can someone explain to me why no one is questioning the fact that we have two even night slanderers in wylted in pie? am i missing something, or are we just okay with that?

Half the town roles are duplicated, so I don’t think it means anything.

To be honest, I’m mostly ignoring the mechanical information, at least with regards to which setup makes the most sense, because this is way too complicated for my tiny brain.

Half the town roles are duplicated, so I don’t think it means anything.

what other roles? only thing i can think of is the passives wryly and shining have, but they are both called different things at least. only other duplicate role is the benefactor me and kohai have but its mixed to odd/even night. nothing else is duplicated. the town roles all seem to syngerize with each other as well, like tracker and watcher, vigilante pairs with the unkillable roles like one of whoever whiteflame and luna is are commuter, thoths bulletproof, and i am a ascetic in my final rank as well, so this shows that there is counters to the multiple killing roles after certain ranks since there is also a scum poison.

the bigger questions than just the cc though, are why are people being hypocritcal and saying my role should be labeled as anti town when we have two slanderer claims, as well as thoths redirector and mikals role that steals two favor? why is is my role more "anti-town" than those? my benefactor is also pretty pro town is it not?

To be honest, I’m mostly ignoring the mechanical information, at least with regards to which setup makes the most sense, because this is way too complicated for my tiny brain.

thats odd considering you said u r voting me even though u dont scum read me. so ur ignoring both mechanical and behavior information in this game. great

We are both even night? Odd, you think it would be separate nights. But since pie did babe the role it has to be genuine. He wouldn't pull that part out of a hat

what does babe the role mean?

Sorry, I’m kinda mentally checked out of this game at this point. I don’t know who it is and I’m just voting for the sake of voting.

Wrt why I said you were scummy, well I have a vibe that you’re being… cagey? It could just be me. I don’t know how to explain it.

It does feel like half the people who got pushed (all of them?) got pushed because they were LHF. I will laugh my ass off if Whiteflame and Lunatic are both scum.

VTL Lunatic

it’s rather suspicious that the person everyone says scumhunted the most basically ended up with townreads on the most active players, and with scumreads on the least active ones. Note that he mentioned the existence of a potential Poisoner well before anyone else did, it makes me suspicious of him.

I don’t see why the hell they would even try to hide who’s who, quite obviously the “Doctor/Bodyguard” is Lunatic, and anyone with an IQ above room temperature in centigrade would be able to figure it out (as Wylted put it a while ago). I think the reason is to give Lunatic some WIFOM so he doesn’t claim Doctor.

Because, why in the hell would a Doctor hint at the existence of a Poisoner, when his role could supposedly heal from Poison and potentially nightkills? He could have one of the most crucial roles in this setup and yet, what he does is virtually out himself to that Poisoner?

The reason for that is that he IS the Poisoner. Doctor makes a great claim for Poisoner anyways (he might even be a Doctor, Poisoner/Doctor is a great role as scum because it allows you to Poison someone then confirm yourself as Town to that person you just poisoned.

Lunatic is the Poisoner.

There is a real chance we are dealing with a Pie/Lunatic/Whiteflame scum team. Pie to build up the idea that because I don’t die tomorrow (healed by none other than Lunatic, obviously), I must be scum. Then Lunatic tries to stall the lynch to buy towncred, they supposedly bus Pie while they’re at it (or maybe he claims 3P at the very end so they “let him live because we need the 3p to help us kill scum”), and voila.

Scum clean sweep.

as of right now I don’t trust anyone who is in that whole Lunatic/etc conundrum.

note that wryly, whiteflame and pie ALL said Lunatic is not completely out of the PoE, he could be scum but not likely. this is basically a form of distancing.

wryly is probably the least suspicious out of this lot, because she was like “Lunatic is almost certainly Town”, which is less hardcore distancing and more of a pretty rock solid position; if she was scum she’d have no reason to do this, Lunatic is in no danger of being lynched by anyone other than yours truly.

i exhuausted myself typing this. please vote lunatic, nothing in this game makes sense and the idea that we’ve narrowed the PoE onto mysteriously inactive scum is absurd. nobody has had any reason to townread anyone this game; literally the only person I have the slightest reason to townread behaviourally, other than perhaps awesome/maybe banana, is Wylted. Yet somehow we’ve successfully narrowed the PoE after two town mislynches? Gimme a break.

also, why the hell does Lunatic townread me all of sudden? Why can’t I be lying about being Poisoned? It’s really weird. You’d think he would have a little more to say about me, maybe push me slightly, be distrustful, yet he has done none of that. Yes, I get believing someone who got poisoned because “why would they lie”, but not an ounce of suspicion? This is strategic.

Lunatic’s reads also don’t feel genuine to me. He comes up with a huge wall of text and makes no attempt to explain or reevaluate in light that he was wrong twice.

before anyone says, why would Lunatic kill Mikal? mikal comes across as a rational player and he was probably afraid he would eventually turn against Lunatic once he figured things out.

Sorry, I’m kinda mentally checked out of this game at this point. I don’t know who it is and I’m just voting for the sake of voting.

thats pretty unfortunate since im town. if im going to be lynched it would be cool to have a better reason for it. u didnt like when it was happening to u right?

Wrt why I said you were scummy, well I have a vibe that you’re being… cagey? It could just be me. I don’t know how to explain it.

i guess i dont know what that means but if u dont kno how to explain it then i guess neither do u really. oh well

VTL Lunatic

Final vote. Not unvoting.

On the off-chance that I am wrong about any of you being scum with him, please vote him.

oh, Lunatic will probably say something like “You are being delusional again” or whatever amounts to making me sound like I’m biased against him, he did the same thing with banana I think. Banana suspected him and he raged. But his reaction was quite telling, it implied he was townreading Banana, because why the hell would a town player rage at someone they scumread for scumreading them.

oh, Lunatic will probably say something like “You are being delusional again” or whatever amounts to making me sound like I’m biased against him, he did the same thing with banana I think. Banana suspected him and he raged. But his reaction was quite telling, it implied he was townreading Banana, because why the hell would a town player rage at someone they scumread for scumreading them.

the only read i made about luna was that he was null. that was like in dp1 when i posted my reads, i dont kno what ur even talking about. but feel free to qote this exchange. ur either confusin me with someone else or makin this stuff up

I guess it was in reply to Wryly and not you, but still.

It does feel like half the people who got pushed (all of them?) got pushed because they were LHF. I will laugh my ass off if Whiteflame and Lunatic are both scum.

VTL Lunatic

it’s rather suspicious that the person everyone says scumhunted the most basically ended up with townreads on the most active players, and with scumreads on the least active ones. Note that he mentioned the existence of a potential Poisoner well before anyone else did, it makes me suspicious of him.

I don’t see why the hell they would even try to hide who’s who, quite obviously the “Doctor/Bodyguard” is Lunatic, and anyone with an IQ above room temperature in centigrade would be able to figure it out (as Wylted put it a while ago). I think the reason is to give Lunatic some WIFOM so he doesn’t claim Doctor.

Well thanks for outing to everyone im the doctor. It may have been obvious to you and wylted but maybe mafia didn't pick up on that, so thanks for ruining it. Btw pie hinted multiple times that he thought I was the neighborizer and whiteflame the doctor.

Because, why in the hell would a Doctor hint at the existence of a Poisoner, when his role could supposedly heal from Poison and potentially nightkills? He could have one of the most crucial roles in this setup and yet, what he does is virtually out himself to that Poisoner?

1.Saying I have knowledge of a poisoner doesn't mean I am claiming counter to that role. Someone day phase one (I can't remember who) mentioned that they think I was an informed player (a role that gives set up information to the town).

2.You were advocating for a mass claim dp1 remember? If we had followed your plan I would have had to out this information anyway lol.

3.You are the biggest hypocrite ever for this if you think I claimed too much of my role when YOU LITERALLY CLAIMED YOUR ROLE without anyone asking for it. You weren't even close to being lynched at that point, a couple of people had just loosely talked about you being scum.

There is a real chance we are dealing with a Pie/Lunatic/Whiteflame scum team. Pie to build up the idea that because I don’t die tomorrow (healed by none other than Lunatic, obviously), I must be scum. Then Lunatic tries to stall the lynch to buy towncred, they supposedly bus Pie while they’re at it (or maybe he claims 3P at the very end so they “let him live because we need the 3p to help us kill scum”), and voila.

Pie is literally my top scum read, so if you think I am scum just bussing him why not lynch him and pursue your crusade against me later? Or you just are so all over the place you forgot that little tid bit. You an alcoholic? Or just bad memory?

i exhuausted myself typing this. please vote lunatic, nothing in this game makes sense and the idea that we’ve narrowed the PoE onto mysteriously inactive scum is absurd. nobody has had any reason to townread anyone this game; literally the only person I have the slightest reason to townread behaviourally, other than perhaps awesome/maybe banana, is Wylted. Yet somehow we’ve successfully narrowed the PoE after two town mislynches? Gimme a break.

The pie lynch isn't even based on POE so I have no clue where you are coming from with this lol.

also, why the hell does Lunatic townread me all of sudden? Why can’t I be lying about being Poisoned? It’s really weird. You’d think he would have a little more to say about me, maybe push me slightly, be distrustful, yet he has done none of that. Yes, I get believing someone who got poisoned because “why would they lie”, but not an ounce of suspicion? This is strategic.

Because my role pm literally tells me I can counter poisoner, thus I know a poisoner exists. The only way you could be scum is if you were the poisoner and waived it to claim this and "confirm" yourself, which is technically possible yet unlikely. No I am convinced you are town, but semi retarded.

Lunatic’s reads also don’t feel genuine to me. He comes up with a huge wall of text and makes no attempt to explain or reevaluate in light that he was wrong twice.

I am not ashamed of being wrong. Mislynches happen, I don't get demoralized when it does, lynching scum is never an exact science, thats why town usually gets multiple mislynch oppertunities in a game. But I strongly disagree that I never make an attempt to explain my reads, I've done that multiple times when people have questioned my reads. Wryly asked me about my scum reads last day phase and I took a lot of time explaining them to her. And I literally re-evaluated my read on you, something you say I am not doing here, but in the last paragraph suspected me for lmao. See what I mean when I say there is no winning with you?

before anyone says, why would Lunatic kill Mikal? mikal comes across as a rational player and he was probably afraid he would eventually turn against Lunatic once he figured things out.

That's quite the baseless conspiracy there pal.

VTL Lunatic

Final vote. Not unvoting.

On the off-chance that I am wrong about any of you being scum with him, please vote him.

oh, Lunatic will probably say something like “You are being delusional again” or whatever amounts to making me sound like I’m biased against him, he did the same thing with banana I think. Banana suspected him and he raged. But his reaction was quite telling, it implied he was townreading Banana, because why the hell would a town player rage at someone they scumread for scumreading them.

None of this ever happened. I think your on some strong drugs. You should share them, they sound fun.

What exactly was your feedback last nightv? In as much detail as you are allowed to explain? You said a shadow poisoner visited you?

if the SP visited you, perhaps his night action is odd and he makes you poison whoever you targeted (in this cade , me).

I guess it was in reply to Wryly and not you, but still.

???

I am so lost

So I was right about your response.

People scumreading you must be on some strong drugs. Right.

Okay. Let’s play the game a different way. If you are Town, who is scum? Why should I vote in [Pie, Kohai, Banana]?

Because, the way I see it, these are all just the inactive players. Do you actually think everyone else is Town?

Inactives aren’t scumreads, and it’s possible to read almost anything into an inactive since they post so little. So, forgive me but this whole series of events (me almost being lynched, Thoth getting lynched and flipping Town, now us going for yet another inactive), looks extremely suspicious to me. It’s a much simpler likelier explanation that at least one, if not two scum are outside the inactives.

I was trying to quote the post. I forgot you need to manually quote stuff here cause otherwise it just pings the person you hit “reply” on.

So I was right about your response.

People scumreading you must be on some strong drugs. Right.

Your not on drugs for scum reading me, you are on drugs for lying and making shit up. Like the part about Banana sussing me, she also just called you out on that. It didn't happen.

Okay. Let’s play the game a different way. If you are Town, who is scum? Why should I vote in [Pie, Kohai, Banana]?

I explained my read on pie in post 124, if you haven't read it, and I have a strong suspicion his scum partner is kohai. That said if you want a recap sure.

Bullet points are that pie is acting differently than normal games, IE hasn't scum read any of the veteran players, didn't immediately try to policy lynch the miller suggesting inside information that he knows the miller is town, suggested multiple times there is only two scum and is convinced of a third party, why would we assume that there would be only two scum? Mathematically it makes the most sense for 3 scum in this scenario, and the third party talk is even crazier because why does he assume there even is one? Third parties aren't common in every game, nor was there ever any mention of one existing in this set up by either the mod or a players role, so I don't know why he would jump to that conclusion. And he never tried to suspect kohai or wylted here despite the fact that he counter claims both of them with his slanderer role that takes favor. As banana mentioned this LITERALLY counter claims wylted, since wylted is also even night slanderer apparently. Remember how he harped on wryly and shining being scum for counter claiming each other with that passive? Why is he an exlusion to that rule? And the other reason I scum read him is because he was saying in dp1 that he could carry the town with his role if he got enough favor, but then when he finally reveals his role he is a lynchproof. First of all that requires him to be cooking with his reads and nailing scum left and right, and hes only human. Second of all he's been insanely inactive, so what would giving him favor actually done to help us in the long run? He wasn't even around for the end of day phase lynch last day phase.

If you have a better lynch feel free to garner support for it, but I suggest at least getting some valid reasons for it and backing that up with actual evidence, rather than conjecture and made up stories.

Because, the way I see it, these are all just the inactive players. Do you actually think everyone else is Town?

I never town read everyone what are you talking about? I think it comes down to pie/kohai/wylted/banana, I believe scum is in those four, I could be wrong about some of my town reads, but that's where I am at. One of wylted or pie is scum, and the other is basically town from the CC. I am leaning wylted being townier of the two.

Also another counter point to me being poisoner conspiracy: Do you actually think there is a night kill and a poison ability and town has no counter to this? Because that's actually insane from a balance perspective.

First of all: I agree with your points on Pie. I too thought Pie’s shtick that there were (2?) scum and one Serial Killer, but I didn’t scumread him super hard for it, it is possible for Town to believe things that are sermingly random or strange. i would like for Pie to explain himself.

Second of all… your PoE lists only Wylted in it, Wylted being able to teleport and blink at akk