Agreed, I don't think we should normalize modkilling ourselves. Fuckin A, magic was the first person to do it in a long time, now suddenly everyone and their dog is talking about doing it. First wylted now wryly. "Breaking the rules is cool guys!"
Glad it’s not just me.
Thought I was pretty clear on that. I would get a negative result if I had said “Watcher” and picked you. I would have had to pick “JOAT,” and no, the only result I would get is “positive” or “negative” for that role.\
You are misunderstanding me. You are claiming you got a list of a bunch of roles correct? I am assuming a lot of the claimed roles would be among that list
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I have a hard time believing you didn't townread Magoroth or Banana if either Petitioner or Restless Spirit were on your list
This is basically what I was trying to say whiteflame, she just worded it better lol
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I assume you're claiming Watcher, Roleblocker, and Bulletproof were not on your list?
I asked about mentioning roles that aren’t on my list, and as long as this doesn’t just become a list of roles I check off one way or the other, it’s fine. I can say some of those aren’t on my list, but not all.
If my role got used one of my current theories absent of other information is that it had something to do with rexs bomb. But that kind of makes no sense either since thoth claimed to have visited the mago too, so if mago was given a bomb we would have both died. So my other theory is that scum have an ability to take away a role or something, but it doesn't make sense why they would take it away and then just not kill me. Ultimately I just have no clue whats going on, I am hoping it will make sense in the endgame.
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I have a hard time believing you didn't townread Magoroth or Banana if either Petitioner or Restless Spirit were on your list
Again, my list gave me good reason to buy all but one claim in the game. And I’ll point out that I did buy the Petitioner straight up, especially since it was already mechanically demonstrated, it was just a question of affiliation. Restless Spirit is clearer affiliation-wise at least, and I townread Magoroth the moment he claimed it.
Not rushing you, just informing you that there are two hours remaining
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If my role got used one of my current theories absent of other information is that it had something to do with rexs bomb. But that kind of makes no sense either since thoth claimed to have visited the mago too, so if mago was given a bomb we would have both died. So my other theory is that scum have an ability to take away a role or something, but it doesn't make sense why they would take it away and then just not kill me. Ultimately I just have no clue whats going on, I am hoping it will make sense in the endgame.
This is some heavy speculation.
Has Savant answered you yet?
You are misunderstanding me. You are claiming you got a list of a bunch of roles correct? I am assuming a lot of the claimed roles would be among that list
You'd be correct.
He's been responding to my questions, he should have answered you by now.
It's odd you had a day role that cannot be manipulated by the Chauffeur
Running low on time, so here is some last hoorah wifom arguments, take them with a grain of salt of course.
I already explained why it doesn't make sense behaviorally for me to claim a JOAT with the existence of an inventor, literally the dumbest thing to do as scum ever. It's the one thing wryly has been consistently suspicious of the whole game and its one thing I just can't really say anything to, because the similarities between it and JOAT are pretty palpable. So you really have to think for me to claim that as scum I just had to bank that you would buy the wifom card of "I would never do that" which is a lot off eggs to put in one basket. Also I feel like I am usually pretty good at fake claiming. I try to go balls to the walls and claim something I feel like will really confirm me or try to claim some wild result as scum. Again, you can call this wifom but you think my goal to win the game would be to consistently state that I could probably confirm myself then just never do it and pray that the wifom saves me? There is all the risk with little reward with this play. Not to mention why would I just randomly muddy the water with my role by adding in stuff like "Oh wait my bullet proof was actually used"? What does this accomplish? As scum I just stick with whatever lie I was going with, how in the hell does it benefit me to say I misunderstood that I was a passive bulletproof instead of an active one, or that my x shot was used already. None of this added to or helps my case.
Next I townread people who it was inconvienent as scum to town read. I always town read bananas role even though role confirmation =/= affiliation confirmation. She was a viable mislynch target, and even whiteflame admits he was willing to lynch her. After I consistently stated she was probably town she DIES, probably because at that point scum realized she was no longer a viable mislynch.
Whiteflame as scum actually only really had me as a viable mislynch. Banana was too much of a gamble combined with kohais role, and he'd already locked himself into a town read on wryly. His last real option was getting me mislynched. That's obviously what the plan was and why he voted me immediately going into lylo, where I was still considering all options. He had this prepared and planned going into the day phase.
Finally his role just allows for too many possibilities to confirm players, and thats not a way hes used it. If I had whiteflames role, the second I see people claiming roles on that list, I immediately can start POE forming based on whats been claimed, and start sussing things not on the list. The way he is playing that role makes no sense if it's actually real.
Anyways, there rests my WIFOM case, the rest is in your hands.
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
He's been responding to my questions, he should have answered you by now.
His last message to me was an hour and a half ago. Has he answered anything to you since then?
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Yep
Yeah he still hasn't answered me. Still waiting.
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Please respond to my DM's.
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Yeah I'm baffled by why Lunatic would make up that his BP was used but he wasn't NK'd, or why he would pretend Savant isn't answering his questions when he is confirmed to be online.
I have to agree that Lunatic's play this game would be reckless and risky as scum, while if it's whiteflame his scum play has been characteristically seamless.
Lunatic could easily have just told me Savant confirmed that his BP was used up NP2 and I'd be like "yeah looks like they tried to NK Luna and Thoth shot Mago"
btw if you have any questions I am around, just playing some arc raiders (a video game) so my responses will be between matches
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
This would have to be some high-octane WIFOM
I've been leaning whiteflame since the DP started for the strength of the Luthen character claim alone, that hasn't really changed much despite my pokes and prods for responses. Bix is a strong claim, but whiteflame was the second-to-last to claim. Could be he asked about a different character entirely for his scum question and decided to claim Bix late after more claims were already on the table.
If Luna is scum here, hat's off, he deserves the win
VTL Whiteflame
GG's yall. I was town so we won.
Good job mago and wryly, I did pretty bad, thanks for the carry
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
Well I was gonna take it down to the wire but there it is lol
Official Vote Count:
Lunatic (1/2) - whiteflame
whiteflame (1/2) - Lunatic, Magoroth
Whiteflame was lynched. He was guilty!
GG's yall. I was town so we won.
Yeah we definitely need an auto-VTL policy on WF now
He has been cursed by the randomizer gods. CURSED
Endgame thread up soon.
