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DebateCraft Players Mafia - Day 2

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ISO #121 •••
--> @Lunatic

I redirected all actions targeting me to instead hit pie

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ISO #122 •••
--> @ILikePie5
The funny thing is no one claimed Caroler lmfaooo

Thats crazy. So wryly is lying or there is a scum caroler lol

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

ISO #123 •••

Also dislike REF’s justification, but I’ll give it a pass cause there’s no Caroler lol

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ISO #124 •••
--> @Magoroth
I’m bad at fake claiming so I get a “new” claim every night. That’s the justification.


That doesn't make sense though. I get the bad at fake claiming thing, but why would that mean he randomly would get a new claim every night? So far every other justification has like a direct correlation from the persons behavior to their action. Yours doesn't...

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

ISO #125 •••
--> @Lunatic

It’s a bit of a stretch, but I guess Thoth really wanted Kohai to be “bad at fake claiming” and didn’t put any thoughts into how the role would work

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ISO #126 •••
--> @Wryly

Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here but I really don't see why you would lie about a caroler unless you were just super confident scum was in those three people. We need absolutely every bit of information about your role pm asap, or you are likely the lynch here.

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

ISO #127 •••
--> @Magoroth
It’s a bit of a stretch, but I guess Thoth really wanted Kohai to be “bad at fake claiming” and didn’t put any thoughts into how the role would work

Alright, just weird that he would put so much thought into every other role. Regardless, I think we lynch wryly here and we can look into you tomorrow.

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

ISO #128 •••

Why would a Scum Caroler even use their ability, then never mention it? Doesn’t make sense.

I also don’t think Wryly would make up a Caroler claim as scum. I think she’s probably telling the truth

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ISO #129 •••

PoE is Shining, Pie, and Rex. I don’t trust either one of them lol

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ISO #130 •••
--> @Magoroth
Why would a Scum Caroler even use their ability, then never mention it? Doesn’t make sense.


They wouldn't thats the thing. Unless it's just a bastard role that gives town wrong info but I doubt that.


I also don’t think Wryly would make up a Caroler claim as scum. I think she’s probably telling the truth

So your theory is that one of the townies here is lying then? Why? Also it can literally only be Rex or shining from your POV. I confirmed my role via outing the innocent child who wylted confirmed he is. Pie is confirmed the role blocker via wryly being roleblocked.



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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

ISO #131 •••
--> @Magoroth
PoE is Shining, Pie, and Rex. I don’t trust either one of them lol

If you think wryly is town and telling the truth pie can't logically be in your POE, despite the result.

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

ISO #132 •••
--> @Lunatic

Yes.

Pie could be non-Caroler scum. I don’t trust Pie’s reaction test D1, it feels more like opportunism designed to get Kohai mislynched. Like I said it makes sense as a town strategy IF you have reason to suspect someone is scum, not as a “blind lets get someone to claim” thing, cause it can easily backfire and get a town lynched (as it did).



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ISO #133 •••
--> @Lunatic
They wouldn't thats the thing. Unless it's just a bastard role that gives town wrong info but I doubt that.


Even if there is a scum Caroler, which itself is bastard, the only utility it has is


A) Scum claims the role and confirms themselves, which didn’t happen herw


B) Scum says nothing and just gets the person lynched, but that strategy makes zero sense compared to A

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ISO #134 •••
--> @Magoroth
Yes.
Pie could be non-Caroler scum. I don’t trust Pie’s reaction test D1, it feels more like opportunism designed to get Kohai mislynched. Like I said it makes sense as a town strategy IF you have reason to suspect someone is scum, not as a “blind lets get someone to claim” thing, cause it can easily backfire and get a town lynched (as it did).


Literally everyone agrees, that it was Kohai’s own fault that he got lynched…except you.

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ISO #135 •••
--> @ILikePie5

I don't believe this. You must be scum. This is literally you from RexFavilla's game. Utterly convinced of stuff like you were that game. You

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ISO #136 •••
--> @Magoroth
Yes.
Pie could be non-Caroler scum. I don’t trust Pie’s reaction test D1, it feels more like opportunism designed to get Kohai mislynched. Like I said it makes sense as a town strategy IF you have reason to suspect someone is scum, not as a “blind lets get someone to claim” thing, cause it can easily backfire and get a town lynched (as it did).


Okay so who is the caroler? Wryly is the only unclaimed and it can't be her. You town read her, and everyone but rex and shining is role confirmed.

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

ISO #137 •••
--> @ILikePie5

Yes, it wasn't Kohai's fault beause you don't fucking put someone at L-2 THREE HOURS INTO DAY START. I don't care that I sound like a broken record, we don't have an automated vote counter + early on it's VERY easy to get people to accidentally vote someone, and even if you don't, wtf is the point of getting someone to hardclaim 3 HOURS into the day, when there's ZERO information and you may be outing an important Town role? Which, gee, guess what, turns out to be the case!

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ISO #138 •••
--> @Lunatic

Idk, gun to the head my thought is that it's Shining

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ISO #139 •••
--> @ILikePie5
Even if there is a scum Caroler, which itself is bastard, the only utility it has is

A) Scum claims the role and confirms themselves, which didn’t happen herw

B) Scum says nothing and just gets the person lynched, but that strategy makes zero sense compared to A

I am hung up on the fact that scum wryly would claim a carol result if there wasn't actually a caroler. But there literally is no other explanation unless town is lying here. Which makes even less sense.


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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

ISO #140 •••
--> @Magoroth
Idk, gun to the head my thought is that it's Shining

So your scum team is pie/shining, and they both just happened to show up on the carol results? I mean technically possible but kind of a convenient read also

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

ISO #141 •••

I'll be out the rest of today, please don't lynch until midnight tonight

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ISO #142 •••
--> @Lunatic

Yeah you're right that it's unlikely.

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ISO #143 •••
--> @Magoroth
Yes, it wasn't Kohai's fault beause you don't fucking put someone at L-2 THREE HOURS INTO DAY START. I don't care that I sound like a broken record, we don't have an automated vote counter + early on it's VERY easy to get people to accidentally vote someone, and even if you don't, wtf is the point of getting someone to hardclaim 3 HOURS into the day, when there's ZERO information and you may be outing an important Town role? Which, gee, guess what, turns out to be the case!
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I already explained this multiple times. If you’re just going to refuse to listen to me and everyone else around, that’s fine. You’re wrong. Everyone thinks you’re wrong. You’re wasting everyone’s time by going up this tree.

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ISO #144 •••
--> @ILikePie5

I didn’t hear an explanation all I heard was a bunch of wah wah he didn’t wanna claim and it’s not my fault

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ISO #145 •••
--> @Magoroth

Then you need to go back to elementary school and learn how to read

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ISO #146 •••
--> @Magoroth
I didn’t hear an explanation all I heard was a bunch of wah wah he didn’t wanna claim and it’s not my fault

I mean you can scum read him for it, but if you've played more than a few games with pie, the logic he used towards kohai claiming is pretty consistent for him and this isn't the first time we as a community have punished people for stubborness and refusal to claim via lynching. If you want to tell him he shouldn't do it or that he's wrong for it thats another thing. I tell pie often that I don't like his "lynch all millers" policy idea, but I am not scum reading him for pursuing it either, since its something he would always do.

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

ISO #147 •••
--> @Wryly

Did Thoth say that its guaranteed that only ONE scum is in the Carol, or could multiple scum be in there?

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ISO #148 •••
--> @Lunatic

The thing is, Pie plays aggressively as scum and gets away with it, last game when he was scum in Rex’s game he pushed me consistently and scumread me when nobody else was, and it just so happens this matches a scum motivation, and it doesn’t make sense as a town strategy to try to get a claim out of a player right out the gate. That and it happens to be a dick move, and I dont think Pie is a dick so I think he’s just scum

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ISO #149 •••
--> @ILikePie5

Like this “Everyone thinks you’re wrong"


since when does Pie care about what “everyone” thinks???

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ISO #150 •••

One last thing, I do find it odd that Pie isn't calling out my claim as scummy. Its like he doesn't want to call attention to the fact that his claim is also scummy.

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