DebateCraft Players Mafia - Day 2

1x Neighorizer. So no, Pie, no one would have been able to protect Kohai NP1. He could not have been doctored or watched.

I’ve revealed everything nigga

1x Neighorizer. So no, Pie, no one would have been able to protect Kohai NP1. He could not have been doctored or watched.

There was no reason for Banana to give the Doctor cause Kohai was already dead lol. But if he wasn’t, the Doctor could’ve been given

I forgot who asked but my role is called Popular/Hated. I still don't know what I am today.

Then how does the message work?

Yeah it's pretty clear to me there is a Caroler 3P in the game.

1. There is no conceivable reason I would be scum and fake a Carol. I would know there is no Caroler in the game, and if I was scum I would nervously double, triple, and quadruple check all the roles I would be considering fake claiming, so I would know a Carol requires a Caroler. It would be the biggest risk imaginable to just yolo a Caroler-less Carol and hope WIFOM saves me.
2. We know there is probably a 3P in the game.
3. We know the 3P was given a fake role claim, per OP of DP1. If they were given a fake role claim, why on Earth would they straight claim their Caroler? Just give me the Carol and watch me squirm, soaking up all the heat and dominating the conversation DP2 so that the 3P Caroler can lie low.

And I've already explained why I think a mafia Caroler is a stupid idea.

I wouldn't put it past mafia to send someone a message pretending to be a carol. Just a thought though. I still don't get how Wryly got a carol in the first place.

Okay so here’s what I think happened:

1) A TP Caroler exists

2) They used their fake claim

3) They used their fake claim so scum don’t NK them because their win con is Survivor

Its a fair argument

I’ve asked a whole bunch of questions to Thoth, so waiting for him to respond

And no, there is no way Thoth put in a mafia Caroler, that's retarded. But a third party Caroler is within the realm of possibility and something Thoth might even do.

Why wouldn’t third party just claim Carole’s then and get free town confirmed? Third parties goal is usually to survive not to randomly decide they want to just take out one team lol

Idk man, Carole’s is already a pretty safe claim. Why fake anything when they are confirmed

I'm wylted, as my wylted-esque posts should indicate to you. Due to my trigger-happy playing style, I am the 1x Dirty Bomb. If I'm targeted for the NK I take the scum down with me, but I also kill anyone else they may have visited that night.

This role could horribly backfire and if you were town you should have claimed this night one. Also even if this was legit you didn’t play it optimally, didn’t hint that you were a power role to try to bait a night kill, what incentive did mafia ever have to try and kill you? Also this role kind of conflicts with the ascetic, that’s two unvisitable roles for mafia to play around definitely a conflict

Idk man, Carole’s is already a pretty safe claim. Why fake anything when they are confirmed

Cause to win, they gotta avoid being NKed

yeah. that makes sense, what doesn’t make sense is why they wouldn’t just straight up claim 3P? it’s weird.

Cause to win, they gotta avoid being NKed 

yeah but with a mass claim we have several other power roles on the table I don’t think the Caroler is the riskiest role for them to kill here. Idk man are you actually buying this?

vtl wryly

Because DP1 ended before I had a chance to do jack shit, I thought I was putting Kohai at L-1 and then we would get a claim and move on

As for balance I have no clue

yeah. that makes sense, what doesn’t make sense is why they wouldn’t just straight up claim 3P? it’s weird.

Cause it sets a target regardless of their affiliation.

The question now which I asked Thoth is whether a TP Caroler would reveal scum or if it’s just a misdirect

Honestly lynching me may be the play here. It will put us at MYLO tomorrow with possibly a 3P in the remaining 3 but eh, at least you'll have your POE

Yall are placing way too much stock in this third party theory. Like sure it’s possible but it seems more likely that she just scum slipped imo. It happens. She’s not a bad player or anything, mistakes happen. Maybe her partner was supposed to claim it and forgot or they weren’t in to coordinate during the mass claim. Who knows. I feel like this would result in a lynch on basically anyone else this happened too though. If she’s town then we can lynch in those carol results but we should have a lot more POE going into next day phase as well as results and confirmables anyway. This is a pretty safe lynch imo

Also I am just not worried about a third party. If they can’t joint win then it’s not balanced, but I see no reason they wouldn’t just try and win with town anyway.

Thoth refuses to answer whether the TP can joint win or mot

He has been dodgy about my recent questions too. He was super good with questions I had about lie detector though

Thoth refuses to answer whether the TP can joint win or mot

I'm shocked

Yall are placing way too much stock in this third party theory. Like sure it’s possible but it seems more likely that she just scum slipped imo. It happens. She’s not a bad player or anything, mistakes happen. Maybe her partner was supposed to claim it and forgot or they weren’t in to coordinate during the mass claim. Who knows. I feel like this would result in a lynch on basically anyone else this happened too though. If she’s town then we can lynch in those carol results but we should have a lot more POE going into next day phase as well as results and confirmables anyway. This is a pretty safe lynch imo

I'm fine with it but baffled by what you imagine the scum slip even was. Confusing what a Carol is?

And even I know you don't make a claim that will be proven false if your scummate dies.

I'm fine with it but baffled by what you imagine the scum slip even was. Confusing what a Carol is?

Or you claimed the carol results before talking to your partner, or your partner dropped the ball and forgot they were supposed to claim caroler, or you didn’t account for a mass claim and hoped people would lynch within the results before ever claiming, I mean you likely would have only needed two more mislynches and the results account for three. Multiple possibilities that make more sense than a 3rd party maybe existing and taking a Hail Mary play to take out a town player instead of getting free town cred.