the pitt mafia

As an aside if Shining is Mafia, every Mafia lynch is good, and what will Mafia do? Will they try to defend an inactive and suggest another lynch? Will they vote then unvote when the pressure gets too high? Lets find out.

Wheres the TMI in that? I am literally saying I see why you could be scum but I’m not convinced. Its the definition of UNSURE which is the opposite od TMI.

Also, please explain to me how I’m ridiculously scummy? Bold words for D1.

Wonder if its a Shining/Rex team atm. Rex quick to try to throw his bucket of red paint at me when I suggest we pressure/lynch Shining.

Wheres the TMI in that? I am literally saying I see why you could be scum but I’m not convinced. Its the definition of UNSURE which is the opposite od TMI.

Curious that Rex says me effectively saying he might be Town is TMI to him. Wonder if that’s guilty conscience due to him knowing he is scum and expecting to be scumread lol

That’s assuming he gets replaced. He could do the minimum amount of posting as not to be replaced and we would be in the same situation as now.

If he's blatantly replacement dodging, then that's behavior we can vote off of.

Not sure why you’re so resistant to voting an inactive.

We have better options.

Is voting someone who actually posts useful when that poster flips Town?

Yes.

You know from mod-confirmed fact via their flip that their analysis and behavior is town-motivated. This lets you go back through the previous DP to look at their thoughts and suspicions to follow up on their suspicions, as well as it lets you look back at how other people interacted with the flipped townie to see if those interactions were town/town interactions or town/scum interactions. This helps solve the game.

D1 is also the best day to vote an inactive

I'd argue DP1 is actually the worst time to vote someone solely because they're inactive. The info you gain from their flip starts and stops with just their flip. It doesn't help you find scum from there - if they flip scum then cool, but if they flip town then it doesn't provide you with anything to help find scum. It just removes a townie.

I don’t actually expect Shining to get replaced. He’s always a low poster.

Then this should be an out-of-game conversation of "Hey, if you can't commit to being active in a game, then don't sign up."

Also, by not pressuring inactives we pretty much give Mafia free reign to coast by as much as they want to.

Not mutually exclusive - my vote is on Rex but I pinged both Shining and Thoth to get their asses in here.

but right now his behaviour is… interpretable?

How would you interpret his behavior in a way that's town-aligned?

Vote Count

Pie 1/5 Vader

Alyssa 1/5 Wylted

Thoth 1/5 Pie

Mago 1/5 Rex

Rex 1/5 Alyssa

Shining 1/5 mago

This has got to be the most divided up vote count I have ever seen. 0 solidarity lol.

As an aside if Shining is Mafia, every Mafia lynch is good, and what will Mafia do? Will they try to defend an inactive and suggest another lynch?

I'd rather not play expecting scum to shoot themselves in the foot.

1. We could also just not have this conversation right now lol, there’s 0% chance uou will convince me, I will defend an inactive policy lynch on D1 EVERY game. But sure, I’ll have it if you really wanna.
2. It appears to me you are very tunnelled against the idea of lynching an inactive. You’re saying we could vote off of behaviour if hes blatantly prod-dodging (if that is a term used on this website), but we can literally speed up the process and not involve the host at all by pressuring Shining to post. Yes, that includes lynching him. I will consider allowing Shining to live and letting the host replace him ONLY if he is COMPLETELY inactive. Because obviously he would be replaced in that case and it wohld be a different story.
3. We dont have time to vote an inactive later on. We have little info on D1 whereas we do have info later days, wasting to lynch a random inactive when there’s EG role interactions is dumb. And inactives should be lynched as far away from MyLo aa possible. Am i saying an inactive lynch is IDEAL? No, obviously not. An inactive Town lynch sucks, but its better than going in blind and lynching someone who DOES post and ends up flipping Town. The ideal lynch is someone who flips scum D1, but we dont always get what we want. And, when are you gonna lynxh an inactive? D2? Even if they’re prod-dodging they could be deadweight Town, they dont have to be scum.
4. The host gave us the power to vote, so I’m using that power. Don’t blacklist people if you can correct their behaviour in-game with social pressure.

Seems to me you’re asking leading questions. Also, there are ways to read into Rex as Town aligned (or rather there were MORE until Rex’s last post where he complained that I’m ridiculously scummy), you should find them. If hes scum im not giving him any freebies.

Whats funny is I kind of agree with both of you on this topic for different reasons lol

Not sure why we’re arguing about this. Seems to me you’re just desperately against lynching an inactive and are coming up with reasons. Its scums choice to defend an inactive scum, same as literally every other choice one can make this game.

Why don’t you want to vote shiningv

I still want to hear from Rex before this gets completely derailed

We could also just not have this conversation right now lol, there’s 0% chance uou will convince me, I will defend an inactive policy lynch on D1 EVERY game. But sure, I’ll have it if you really wanna.

1. Calling me tunneled when you post this is funny.
2. What would you rather be doing right now? Spamming the thread with posts begging Shining to show up? Literally ending the DP right now? There's still time to do things, so let's do things. And since Shining/Thoth aren't here to grill, then why not have this conversation?

You’re saying we could vote off of behaviour if hes blatantly prod-dodging (if that is a term used on this website), but we can literally speed up the process and not involve the host at all by pressuring Shining to post.

Fine with pressuring Shining to post. Hell, if you want me to put my vote on Shining to provide some facsimilie of pressure then I'm down, but if we get close to L-1 or L-0 I'm taking my post off. Rex is the better vote here for solving the game.

We dont have time to vote an inactive later on. We have little info on D1 whereas we do have info later days,

Cool, that proves my point. The more info we have, we better we can set up POE to solve the game with. Once we've established a POE it's not voting someone for inactivity, but because what other possibility is there for scum? This best minimizes the chances of voting off townies who are inactive.

Don’t blacklist people if you can correct their behaviour in-game

By your own admission, Shining is perpetually inactive. How's the in-game correction working out for you?

How sure are you that Mago is town here?

Specifically #371 is wild.

1. I’ve never seen someone pressure Shining for inactivity. It just isn’t done because many of the players are already inactive. Thoth, Rex? Lets start now.
2. You keep coming up with random reasons as to why we shouldnt lynch Shining yadda yadda, I don’t think youre being very honest here. My points are pretty simple, but it seems like you keep coming up with more because you really have an aversion to lynching him. Right now I’m reading it as tunnelled Town, but your insistence doesn’t help me. I could see you and Shining as a Team. Same way I could see Rex and Shining as a Team, because it appears theres a lot of inexplicable resistance to a Shining lynch.
3. I dont want to pressure or have this argument with you too hard because I do strongly disagree with you but its your first game back and I dont want you to leave over it. That sounded less retarded in my head.
4. Rex is the better vote for solving the game? Obviously but if Shining is scum we dont want him to coast by forever and as I already said we CANNOT afford an inactive lynch later down the line - we should do it now. (This is assuming Shining gets lynched which need not be the case if he actually posts and does… Town stuff)

I knew you would scum read that ;) come at me then. Why is it scummy? Take care. I know what youre going to say and if youre scum I advise you not to pick a fight with me over that post. But take your best shot

I dont want you to leave over it.

Lmao, if Wyted "sexually harrassing" me and saying I have daddy issues isn't going to get under my skin, having a discussion about best scum-hunting methods isn't going to drive me off the site.

What on earth is there to hear from me about?

The town consensus is that you pulled a stupid stunt earlier today (one that looks completely fake and not as well-thought out as your fakeout of WF in Ruyi Zhuan - which almost worked btw). It also seems to be that I'm not allowed to scum read you for that, and that we should just never lynch you no matter how you act and reflexively scumread anyone who tries. That is retarded, and if that is the justification on which I am lynched I hope town loses.

I think you're scum. If I had to shoot in the dark at your scummate, I'd say Luna, who has been speculating about me all day without tagging me or asking me any questions. But I'm not too sure about that. But this is the most retarded mislynch I've seen town swallow in a while, and it's quite impossible to defend myself against the 'accusations' levelled against me - they're designed that way. I'm being lynched because I don't post enough but also we can't lynch Shining just because he's inactive. I'm being lynched for scum reading you when I saw you act crazy in Ruyi Zhuan, completely ignoring any of my actual case. It's clearly a mislynch being pushed on shoddy reasoning. If town can't see that, that's on them.

I have never said any of this. I never said I shoupd never be lynched. I said my play doesnt make sense as scum play and YES WIFOM YADDA YADDA, the classic argument that can counter every single damn argument made in this game.

what I said was that it doesnt make sense for me to claim Survivor unprompted like this, as scum, especially a Bulletproof Survivor of all things. i actually hadnt thought of all the bulletproof angles but im thinking of it now. why claim specifically bulletproof, especially 2x Bulletproof? I have no way of knowing if that claim is possible, and obviously if that claim isnt possible I couldnt have gotten it from Banana since this is Mharmans setup and its unlikely as hell he would give scum a fake claim that looks, well, fake. so it would have to be something I came up with. why would I, outside of a bastard game, stick my neck out UNPROMPTED, UNSUSPECTED, with a fake claim without even checking if it makes sense? as survivor, no less, which some players policy lynch out of principle? Even if my claim was believed i would be getting lynched so theres no point. What was I trying to achieve with that claim?

also, youre overreacting at the push on you, its not even obvious you will be lynched today since half the players havent even stated they want to lynch you and some want to lynch me, Shining, etc.

but for me the biggest issue right now is how you went from “Magoroths actions are NAI” to “Magoroth is ridiculously scummy” in like, 4 posts. if this wasnt super inconsistent, i would have you as my strongest scum read rn for stating such a confident read so early into the day.

please elaborate on how my play looks completely fake and unlike my fake out of wf? what did I fakeout? i randomly lied and said wf visited someone? Nigga i literally claimed TOWN FRAMER that game how is that not comparable?

How sure are you that Mago is town here?

I am not sure of anything of course. I just felt the same way you felt about him now in Ruyi Zhuan mafia. Go read dp1, I was about to pull my hair out by the end of that game. Sometimes you gotta play with people and learn how they act and just kind of take it with a grain of salt. Kind of like royal paladin lol. He's on a different planet than a lot of us, but I feel his reads and ideas come from a genuine place this game, even if I do not agree with them all.

Thoughts on #371 and #378, specifically

Rex is the better vote for solving the game? Obviously but if Shining is scum we dont want him to coast by forever

Its also straigjt up not true I reflexively scumread everyone who tries to scumread me. I am not scumreading Thoth, I scumread Alyssa initially but quixkly dropped it once I realized that i did the same thing to Lunatic in your game and didnt want to turn the game into a shitfest. You I only started scumreading until AFTER you started BSing last page. I had you as null before. I was even pushing to lynch Shining.

 I feel his reads and ideas come from a genuine place this game

Elaborate?

You have yet to state how my post was TMI.

I'll say this now just to have it on record:

If Rex flips scum, there should be pretty heavy suspicion on Mago.

I am literally pressuring him right now. I could say the same thing to you about Shining. And yes much like you if certain conditions are met (e.g. Shining starts being active/gets replaced), I am down to vote Rex. In fact, at this point, if Shining gets replaced, and the replacement is active, I probably WILL vote Rex