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ISO #811 •••

You can have an ascetic bulletproof. There's no reason you can't have an ascetic roleblocker.

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ISO #812 •••
--> @Mestari

That’s fair. What are your thoughts on REF, Casey, and Banana?

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ISO #813 •••

Now bear with me for a minute while I summarize the thesis I just lost.

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ISO #814 •••
--> @Mestari

Whats your role even called?

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ISO #815 •••
--> @ILikePie5

There's like 3 fucking titles for some reason. Give me a second and I'll pull them up

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ISO #816 •••
--> @Mestari
First, Wyrly (#98), were you explicitly told that you are an alignment cop. Is it possible that your role is actually a flavor cop that determines if a player's character has monster mana? The difference is very important.


The ability says I can investigate someone and get a result of guilty or innocent. Alignment Cop is my assumption from that. Alignment is not mentioned on the role card itself.


Alyssa should have checked as guilty if I can sense monster mana.


I asked Mikal days ago if 3P investigate as guilty or innocent. He said it depends on game mechanics he would not elaborate on. This is an odd response if my ability really only detects a monster smell.

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ISO #817 •••

I'm Mestari "The deceiver" I assume that's an epithet for me. I won't say why I'm the deceiver because it's hard to paraphrase while still making sense. It basically has to do with manipulating truths and lies to get results. My understanding is that it's a reference to transformers mafia where through a complex series of events, I convinced everyone that I had a 1x mass lie detector. I had a lie detector, but it was not mass.


My role is called "City observer". This is what the home owners association soft claim referenced.


At the bottom of my card it says "Strategist of Uncertainty", because the AI acts like I'm the Copy Ninja of the Hidden Leaf Village, Kakashi of the Sharingan.

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ISO #818 •••
--> @Wryly
Wyrly
Alyssa should have checked as guilty if I can sense monster mana.


Right, and I'm still trying to figure that part out. I imagine it's a bus driver still, because if they have one then they are always driving Alyssa that np. They would have had to of driven Alyssa to Whiteflame, but I believe it as a possibility since it was already obvious he was SJW and they would be setting him up to get vigged

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ISO #819 •••

Scum watching Mes's silenced charade


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ISO #820 •••
I asked Mikal days ago if 3P investigate as guilty or innocent. He said it depends on game mechanics he would not elaborate on. This is an odd response if my ability really only detects a monster smell.


That's what I'm getting at. He's not telling you that you are not an alignment cop because that sets up confusion from the roles. The roles, for the most part, are varying levels of shit. The whole point is that we can't rely on them to win the game.

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ISO #821 •••

So my strongest scumread right now is Rex. I wrote him off as town early on when Lunatic hard town read him. That told me he claimed. I assumed this meant he was a cop or doctor or other strong town role. When the cop result came out, I immediately thought, "yep, checks out, he's the cop." Well now we know he's not the cop. I cannot for the life of me understand why Lunatic town read him so hard then. My assumption has to be because he claimed his character immediately and that's risky as mafia. (According to Helz, you have access to the entire guild discord Wryly, so help me out here if I'm wrong.) The problem with this is, mafia was given at least character claims. I assume the amount they were given is 2. 1 is too few in a game this big. 3/4 mafia having free characters in a game where you can clap yourself as well is ridiculous. I refuse to believe that Thoth's claim was given by Mikal. He claimed a non hunter in a game where every town turned out to be hunters. That's cooked. What this means is that the 2 mafia fake claims were already accounted for, and he was shit out of luck when he had to claim. Alyssa already took ownership of Go Gun-hee in the Mafia chat because she was prepared to claim popular as it fits both the fake claim and her actual role. Rex already claimed his character in the guild chat. That left no fake claims for Thoth, and the push on him was early enough that mafia did not know how many player characters would be in the game and if it would look scummy to claim a player character.


If Rex is mafia, Thoth's claim funmble makes sense.


Further, if Wyrly doesn't detect alignment, Rex's role makes no sense.

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ISO #822 •••

Keep in mind that both Alyssa and Rex have used a redirector narrative to justify their actions as if they presuppose one exists.

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ISO #823 •••
--> @Mestari
Keep in mind that both Alyssa and Rex have used a redirector narrative to justify their actions as if they presuppose one exists.


That’s a fair point

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ISO #824 •••

On a side note, Awesome not joining a guild is kinda town because Mikal confirmed that Mafia doesn't have to wave roles or kills to recruit so there's no drawback to joining, but there's clear benefits because the guild wincon means the guilds are incentived to protect their own members if they can.

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ISO #825 •••

Incentivized

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ISO #826 •••

In the interests of my guild and lynching a Miller, I’m fine going for REF

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ISO #827 •••

There being both a roleblocker and a redirector and the strongman all makes Awesome's role very high utility as well. Mikal confirmed that it would prevent all 3 of those roles from interfering with actions.

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ISO #828 •••
--> @Mestari
This is where I gathered Mikal didn't think how my role would interact with an ascetic, at least one week


Wouldn’t this just give you “no results” as if you were role blocked?

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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

ISO #829 •••

Can't get past Shining's role having basically no justification. #592 I ask him to clarify with Mikal, he doesn't. "I'm silent and I want to win" does nothing to explain a 1x single-target lightning rod.


We're at a point where we're sussing Banana enough that we might be rethinking our Shining scumread, but I'm just having trouble seeing a town!Shining here. Having no take on Thoth could be towny or inept scum. Having this bad of a claim could be bastard modding or inept scum. Maybe not even inept scum, just lazy scum.


Rex did go in hard for both the Thoth and Alyssa lynches, although a bus is not impossible there. Yes, he full claimed to Lunatic in guildchat, and early.


I've asked Mikal to clarify my role, we'll see if he does.

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ISO #830 •••
--> @Kohai

No. Ascetics cannot be targeted. I do not target.

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ISO #831 •••

I was explicitly told that failed actions counted too.

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ISO #832 •••
--> @ILikePie5

I just want you to explain how you think there was no night kill. If there is a bus driver, the doctor shouldn't have protected you and the jailer shouldn't have protected Banana.


I also think the lack of the NK makes Magic likely to be town. Scum straight-claiming strengthener would do it if it was their actual role. A scum team with strengthener would just use it to pierce protection, and it makes more sense for town to have that role than scum with my role and the misdirection roles.

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ISO #833 •••

Has magic claimed?

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ISO #834 •••

We only have like 6 and a half hours, so let's get the ball rolling. VTL REX

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ISO #835 •••
--> @Mestari

No.

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ISO #836 •••

We don't have anything on Rex that's more damning than Shining's poor claim or Banana being jailkept. I'm not VTLing Rex.

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ISO #837 •••
--> @Mestari

How on earth would two fake claims have been used up before Thoth claimed? Alyssa didn't claim till DP2.

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ISO #838 •••

Not Magic, Awesome.

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ISO #839 •••

In a scum!Rex world, what explains the lack of an NK? That scum really tried to NK Pie last NP? I just don't buy it, especially if scum!Rex was in scumchat. He wouldn't advise a Pie NK.

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ISO #840 •••

Alright, I only was half focused the last two days. Explain to me what's going on with Shining's claim and explain to me why the injury can't come from Mafia in lieu of the NK?

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