Solo Leveling - Dayphase 4

i mean that’s a good point tho, if they killed Luna why is it so out of the question they would kill pie?

See my response to REF. I don't think it's implausible that they'd aim for Pie, I just think scum would have some clue that he would be protected. Maybe that's just WIFOM, but still.

I’m fine lynching Shining here as well. Less confident on Banana than Helz

assume I am town for a sec and put yourself in my shoes. how do I respond to any of this? bcuz I’m being told calm acceptance is scummy but I don’t know how to defend myself either. i know I didn’t carry out the kill cuz im town but ppl just keep repeating that they think it’s more likely i did than didn’t. What do i say against that? I know this is a debate site but im not a debater. i play this for fun and social deduction like a party game so im out of my depth with ppl like u and pie

Haven't heard much from you this DP dude

Sorry. I’ve been extremely burnt out. Will try and get back into the game

Hmm. Banana was scum in Bo Burnham and Terraria. Any others? Any on here?

Shining was scum in Recycled Roles, Ace Attorney, and Deltarune. What others? Any on DC?

I was scum in game show mafia

assume I am town for a sec and put yourself in my shoes. how do I respond to any of this? bcuz I’m being told calm acceptance is scummy but I don’t know how to defend myself either. i know I didn’t carry out the kill cuz im town but ppl just keep repeating that they think it’s more likely i did than didn’t. What do i say against that? I know this is a debate site but im not a debater. i play this for fun and social deduction like a party game so im out of my depth with ppl like u and pie

You try to act townie. Like look at Helz for example. He was town. On the chopping block. Still giving reads. Reacting to people’s posts, etc etc. He didn’t just give up like you. And I’ve said a few times now that I’m open to Shining

assume I am town for a sec and put yourself in my shoes. how do I respond to any of this? bcuz I’m being told calm acceptance is scummy but I don’t know how to defend myself either. i know I didn’t carry out the kill cuz im town but ppl just keep repeating that they think it’s more likely i did than didn’t. What do i say against that? I know this is a debate site but im not a debater. i play this for fun and social deduction like a party game so im out of my depth with ppl like u and pie

Alright, it's a WIFOM situation. I'm not looking for you to debate, but point to past games where you've been town vs. scum that may indicate patterns that help us read you. Absent that, if you don't want to get defensive, just focus on other scum. You've got Shining who I agree still looks very scummy. Who else would you lynch?

I second WF’s comment. Shining is scum. Fine. Who’s his partner?

In a w!shinning world I doubt it’ll be anyone on the shinning wagon

Final Vote Count

Helz (7/7) Mestari, Rex, Mag1c, Kohai, Pie, Shining, Wryly

Shining (3/7) Helz, Vader, Banana

vader is behaviorally lock town and Bananna I am unsure but a w!Shinning flip does look better for her.

unkess the other wolf just wasn’t active I’d say between Rex and Wryly.

If the wolf wasn’t voting then Casey is a strong possibility

You try to act townie. Like look at Helz for example. He was town. On the chopping block. Still giving reads. Reacting to people’s posts, etc etc. He didn’t just give up like you. And I’ve said a few times now that I’m open to Shining

i haven’t given up and I have given reads… like i said it’s more calm acceptance than giving up. i understand the reason i am being suspected. i dont have any more evidence against the ppl in my Poe than they do on me so I realize its hypocritical to expect u guys to lynch others. I do behavioraly scumread shining tho, not really anyone else in the Poe

So just some VCAs

Day 1

Vote Count

Thoth 9/9 - Mestari, Lunatic, Alyssa, Rex, Wylted. Kohai, Pie, Banana, Helz

Shining 3/9 - Wryly, Casey_Risk, Helz,

Whiteflame 1/9 - Thoth

Day 2

Alyssa 9/9 - wylted, luna, shining, alyssa, kohai, Vader, banana, Rex, Mag1c

Awesome 1/9 - helz

Day 3

Final Vote Count

Helz (7/7) Mestari, Rex, Mag1c, Kohai, Pie, Shining, Wryly

Shining (3/7) Helz, Vader, Banana

Alright, it's a WIFOM situation. I'm not looking for you to debate, but point to past games where you've been town vs. scum that may indicate patterns that help us read you. Absent that, if you don't want to get defensive, just focus on other scum. You've got Shining who I agree still looks very scummy. Who else would you lynch?

i can rehash some of my stances sure. but long story short is idk. awesome isn’t active but I was liking some of his posts or at least more than i liked shining. Then with Rex there’s still the possibility he’s the mole in that guild, but honestly i find the whole results thing so exhausting and i dont have a real reason to scum read him other than that so i dont know that i would really lynch him just pointing out he’s a possibility. Kohai I’ve been back and forth on but I liked his contributions of recent times. his role is similar to mine but im not sure id call it a cc. Casey was in Poe to activity but had good early activity. i think tho with the injury situation we just wait to see how that plays out and her slot will get solved. ur in Poe too but I trust u behaviorally and so do others. Magic could be scum but the poison is confirmed in Alyssa abilities so I doubt he is scum. so I guess if I was forced to decide a lynch it would be awesome. but it’s not really based on much of behavioral linking so I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s wrong. but at the same time it could be them because we don’t have a lot to suggest the mafia have any of the really good players in their team based on how claims went with Thoth and Alyssa so maybe the last two are nooby or low effort players

I'm gonna ask everyone here a question, similar to the one I asked DP1. Let's say that Shining and Banana are both town. What does this mean for you? Who is scum in this scenario?

In a t!Shininng / t!Banana world the rest of the POE

Vader

Whiteflame

CaseyRisk

Mestari

Awesome

Wryly

MagicMan

Skep

Pretty large POE but:

-Mestari hard unpaired from Alyssa and Thoth via their early push

-Whiteflame also semi hard unpaired from thoth

This leaves exactly

Vader

CaseyRisk

Awesome

Wryly

MagicMan

Skep

I have Vader as lock town so the rest of the POE looks like

CaseyRisk

Awesome

Wryly

MagicMan

Skep

I actually think rex is hard unpaired as well via this post: https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/3l/solo-leveling-mafia---dp1?page=44&comment_number=1316

I am unrecruitable. Justification is that I'm not a Hunter.

I'm the Nurse / backup Doctor (would suck if Airmax is the Doctor and he's not around to at least say this is a point in my defense). Justification is that I want to go to medical school.

I started with a list of three people and was told that one of them is Jinwoo: Helz, Alyssa, and Rex. Justification is that I'm close to Jinwoo. That's why I thought Alyssa being Jinwoo would explain a lot, because I figured that Jinwoo might have information that pointed to me being innocent.

That's everything.

This is a very classic rule of three so if we remove rex from the poe

CaseyRisk

Awesome

Wryly

MagicMan

MagicMan possible that he was faking being poisoned but his claim is believable

So I'm forced to go in:

CaseyRisk

Awesome

Wryly

I'm gonna ask everyone here a question, similar to the one I asked DP1. Let's say that Shining and Banana are both town. What does this mean for you? Who is scum in this scenario?

Casey

Kohai

Awesome

I would also take a hard look at REF

I looked at Thoth's ISO for day 1. The mentions between him and rex feel really unpaired

Solo Level:

Pie

Luna

Wryly

REF

WF

Vader

Helz

Thoth

Alyssa

Magic?

9-10 players have claimed solo leveling characters

rex was also pretty involved in both thoth and alyssas lynch

^ posts like this from kohai are what make me have a hard time buying he is scum

i can rehash some of my stances sure. but long story short is idk. awesome isn’t active but I was liking some of his posts or at least more than i liked shining. Then with Rex there’s still the possibility he’s the mole in that guild, but honestly i find the whole results thing so exhausting and i dont have a real reason to scum read him other than that so i dont know that i would really lynch him just pointing out he’s a possibility. Kohai I’ve been back and forth on but I liked his contributions of recent times. his role is similar to mine but im not sure id call it a cc. Casey was in Poe to activity but had good early activity. i think tho with the injury situation we just wait to see how that plays out and her slot will get solved. ur in Poe too but I trust u behaviorally and so do others. Magic could be scum but the poison is confirmed in Alyssa abilities so I doubt he is scum. so I guess if I was forced to decide a lynch it would be awesome. but it’s not really based on much of behavioral linking so I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s wrong. but at the same time it could be them because we don’t have a lot to suggest the mafia have any of the really good players in their team based on how claims went with Thoth and Alyssa so maybe the last two are nooby or low effort players

Fair enough, that gives me something to work with. Thanks for the response.

I'm gonna ask everyone here a question, similar to the one I asked DP1. Let's say that Shining and Banana are both town. What does this mean for you? Who is scum in this scenario?

Alright, that would leave us with 9 players, excluding me. Pie's confirmed town, so 8. I'm also going to leave you out under the assumption that you'll flip town by the end of the NP, so 7.

I'd say there's a very outside chance it's Vader and Mag1c. Exceedingly unlikely given the lack of protective roles, but these two would have to have known about that somehow and planned the Poisoning without actually using it. Highly doubt it, just see these two as almost certainly town.

And then there were five.

I'd say Wryly is in a similar camp with the Cop claim. For one, I just think it's a little too good, especially compared with Alyssa and Thoth's claims. For another, I just don't think scum had enough information early enough to dismiss the existence of a Cop and just go for it. I have some reason to believe scum knew certain possible roles were in the game, but not what isn't. I'd say that also is good evidence in Rex's favor, though that's a lesser element. He could still be lying about his role, and especially if the flavor of Wryly's Cop is what I already suspected, it would be odd to feature his role in this game. Still, not a likely scum pair at all.

I don't really buy Kohai as scum either. Was a little leery of his claim when it came up, but the more I've chewed over it, the more I think it sounds reasonable as something coming from Mikal in particular, and I think his behavior has looked pretty townie. Given my experience on a scum team with him, that means a lot by itself.

With Awesome, I'm just kind of null on behaviorally, but I do think his claim makes sense. It's another instance of my seeing the likelihood of Mikal authoring that role for Airmax, and I don't think Awesome is terribly likely to have come up with it, nor for that matter is Thoth nor Alyssa.

So, if I had to pick among these people... Mestari and REF. Going to need to explain both.

Starting with REF, I just don't know what to make of his role claim so far, and my positive reads on him have largely focused on Luna's perspective of him in their guild chat as well as the fact that he showed up in Thoth's 3 possible players who were SJW. I'm still tempted to lean on the former, but I don't know enough about what informed Luna's opinion of him to call that. And Thoth did clearly include 1 other scum player on his list of 3, so much as I don't get why he'd include 2, I can't really dismiss that as a possibility. It's a rough read, and the weakest of the two.

Mestari is a bit more interesting. I don't think it's possible he let these claims get through, Mestari's got too much knowledge of the show to let Alyssa and Thoth claim like they did. But my current working theory is that, at least up to a point (when Alyssa was lynched), one scum wasn't in the scum chat. It would hardly be a first for someone to pretend to be Silenced (I'm noting that there was no public announcement in the OP of Mestari's being Silenced) to get towncred, and I can see him actively hunting other scum to activate his role.

I've kept thinking on this and I think I'd switch Awesome and REF. I have a lot of uncertainty on the latter, but my read on Awesome is all based on a claim that I might be giving too much credit.

With Awesome, I'm just kind of null on behaviorally, but I do think his claim makes sense. It's another instance of my seeing the likelihood of Mikal authoring that role for Airmax, and I don't think Awesome is terribly likely to have come up with it, nor for that matter is Thoth nor Alyssa.

Wait, what's Awesome's claim? I missed it

Wait, what's Awesome's claim? I missed it

hes airmax (who he replaced), the "investor" which ig is basically a motivator. justification is that airmax invests money into the site

Thanks, beat me to it.

One thing it does kinda remind me of the strengthener fake claim I made

It's specific enough to Max that I kind of just accepted it at face value, though I'm more hesitant to do so now.