Solo Leveling - Dayphase 4

I think shining has a higher chance of being a wolf than banana 

Why? How?

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Meant to do that in my last post but forgot since I'm a dumbass

Why? How?

1) Day phase 1 he was a little too defensive of Thoth. Examples:

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/3l/solo-leveling-mafia---dp1?page=37&comment_number=1093

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/3l/solo-leveling-mafia---dp1?page=37&comment_number=1103

Almost the entire day 1 was centered around Thoth and had over 1000 posts. Somehow he couldn't come up with a thought on that but he did find you scummy. So in 1000+ posts no thoughts on thoth but somehow you were scummy. I'm not buying that

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/3l/solo-leveling-mafia---dp1?comment_number=1109

2) His defense / progression on Alyssa

I feel like everyone feels like something is off about Alyssa. The thing I am thinking about is how her first role works and how they described it, but maybe I am just stupid. Alyssa is however is REALLY experienced mafia player. I think more than a few times they had to have been up against the wall defending themselves and even for stupid reasons. Them giving up is odd. Also, as I believe it was Lunatic who said it, Alyssa seemingly decided to volunteer her character and role. Hard scum, but her giving up is giving me a bit of pause.

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/3o/solo-leveling---dp2?page=10&comment_number=273

This feels like classic w/w distancing from each other.

3) His claim makes no sense and the justification is off:

Hang on, why are you guys asking for my justification and not Awesome's? Anyway, mu justification is dogshit and its obvious Mikal was lazy with AI. My justification is I am silent, but I have a strong desire to win and that makes me a Lightning Rod (Its not actually a LR, mine is just single target).

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/3p/solo-leveling---day-phase-3?page=11&comment_number=303

I have no clue how this justification has anything to do with him being a lightning rod. This claim just feels..off

Vote Count:

Shining (3/7) - Kohai, Banana, WF

Banana (2/7) - RexFavilla, Awesome

Hmmm it might just be Banana/Kohai. He's been weirdly agro, like a rabid gerbil.

Hmmm it might just be Banana/Kohai. He's been weirdly agro, like a rabid gerbil.

Lol have you ever seen my MU play? I can get very agro. I can also get into some very deep tunnels

Good point, I like this analysis. It is definitely scummier than Banana’s, though she also had a few distancing moments

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Vote Count:

Banana (2/7) - RexFavilla, Awesome

Shining (3/7) - Kohai, Banana, WF

Good point, I like this analysis. It is definitely scummier than Banana’s, though she also had a few distancing moments

Thanks. I'm going to have to re-read banana. There's a non zero possibility both are scum but if they are dif checks I think shining is more liekly w than banana

Do you townread Shining?

I think both claims are bad and they both sorta provided outs. Need to check that Shining counterwagon

There are a few very strong points in banana being town especially if shining is scum. The biggest town point for her is that she was not on the helz mislynch wagon and prefered a shining lynch. That said, it could be w/w distancing

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/3p/solo-leveling---day-phase-3?page=34&comment_number=1006

I def thing both should be resolved but shining has more scum probability than banana.

Regarding #736: I'm going to be honest, I straight up don't see the first post as being scummy at all. It's detailed, shows her entire thought process, and she leans scum on Thoth. Why should I scumread her for scumreading Thoth? Because she wasn't hard scum on him? That's weak.

And the next two are just her listing minor points of favor for Alyssa being town. Big deal. Wryly was doing the same thing and you trust her Cop claim. I was prepared to start a CW on Mestari as I said earlier. Though you might not trust me here, either... Okay. But you trust Wryly, right?

I get the mechanical argument against Banana. It looks bad for her, obviously. But you always have to look at behavior and mechanics combined. It's like with the weather, you look at historical trends to temper the immediate leading indicators of the weather. Nate Silver does the same thing with political forecasting: you look at the fundamentals, and you look at the polls, and you weigh both of them together, and you consider which is giving the stronger signal. For me, I just don't see the behavioral case against Banana. I know you brought up her defending Helz, but I actually don't think she'd do that as scum. As scum, I'd expect her to follow the bandwagon if the town wanted to mislynch someone. Trying to defend someone for towncred would be a change in her scum play, but being contrarian is normal for her town play. I also think she makes a really good point in #750; she hasn't been trying to farm town cred off that like she could.

Idk, obviously you disagree and that's your prerogative. But I don't see the behavioral case against her, and I think behavior has to be higher in importance over mechanics in this game. The lack of an NK isn't inexplicable if she's town, and I'm inclined to believe she is.

People keep going on about me not having thoughts on Thoth, but I barely skimmed through DP1. Had I noticed he slipped regarding Alyssa, I probably would have scum read him hard. Also, I have no idea how you taken my thoughts on Alyssa as defense, that seems like you willingly misinterpreting what I said. Its not distancing to say "Yeah, this guy is like 90% scum." Nothing to add with my justification, no control over it. Blame Mikal etc.

I dont really. Hes not sticking out to me as dodgy like he did in Ted Lasso. The claim sucks so bad I feel like he wouldn't make it as scum. I just reISOd and him saying he didn't have an opinion on Thoth at a point when his lynch was the foregone conclusion screams town to me. Scum would be bussing.

I seriously think you fuckers are stupid to think I would make this claim as scum. Even fakeclaiming Miller would be better. I honestly feel insulted.

Mostly I'd want to lynch him if there wasn't a better target because it would be revealing due to how much people have pushed and talked about him.

But Banana is 100% a better target especially given the two people going to bat for her right now and trying to swap to the easy mislynch target.

Scum does not have leeway to bus again right now.

But Banana is 100% a better target especially given the two people going to bat for her right now and trying to swap to the easy mislynch target.

im also an ez mislynch target lol

If I spitball a team, maybe Kohai/Banana but thats probably OMGUS.

It doesn't count as an easy mislynch target when you are implicated by JK.

Regarding #736: I'm going to be honest, I straight up don't see the first post as being scummy at all. It's detailed, shows her entire thought process, and she leans scum on Thoth. Why should I scumread her for scumreading Thoth? Because she wasn't hard scum on him? That's weak.

It’s not that she wasn’t hard scum, it’s that she was providing an out

And the next two are just her listing minor points of favor for Alyssa being town. Big deal.

I actually think it is. Cause Shining brought up how Alyssa wasn’t really a popular, more like a lynchproof.

Wryly was doing the same thing and you trust her Cop claim.

Where?

I was prepared to start a CW on Mestari as I said earlier. Though you might not trust me here, either... Okay. But you trust Wryly, right?

I get the mechanical argument against Banana. It looks bad for her, obviously. But you always have to look at behavior and mechanics combined. It's like with the weather, you look at historical trends to temper the immediate leading indicators of the weather. Nate Silver does the same thing with political forecasting: you look at the fundamentals, and you look at the polls, and you weigh both of them together, and you consider which is giving the stronger signal. For me, I just don't see the behavioral case against Banana. I know you brought up her defending Helz, but I actually don't think she'd do that as scum.

I think it logically makes sense to that as scum. Even if Banana in a vacuum wouldn’t, she also has partners.

As scum, I'd expect her to follow the bandwagon if the town wanted to mislynch someone. Trying to defend someone for towncred would be a change in her scum play, but being contrarian is normal for her town play. I also think she makes a really good point in #750; she hasn't been trying to farm town cred off that like she could.

The farming town cred is sort of a WIFOM argument

Idk, obviously you disagree and that's your prerogative. But I don't see the behavioral case against her, and I think behavior has to be higher in importance over mechanics in this game. The lack of an NK isn't inexplicable if she's town, and I'm inclined to believe she is.

I’ve said that I’m 50/50 on Banana and Shining. Both have bad qualities and both have good qualities

Do you think Banana is scum? Who is if she isn't?

I seriously think you fuckers are stupid to think I would make this claim as scum. Even fakeclaiming Miller would be better. I honestly feel insulted.

I mean given how dogshit Alyssa's and Thoth's fake claims were I don't see why I should be impressed with your claim.

It doesn't count as an easy mislynch target when you are implicated by JK.

there was an injury that could have come from scum as well as a protection on pie from vader. if pie was the night kill then him jailkeeping anyone would have 'implicated' them

How do you feel about a possible shining / rex team?

I seriously think you fuckers are stupid to think I would make this claim as scum. Even fakeclaiming Miller would be better. I honestly feel insulted.

has nothing to do with ur intelligence, its based on the level of effort u commited to the game being nothing. bad fake claim indicates laziness, which u r the epitome of

How do you feel about a possible shining / rex team?

Who hard pushed Thoth/Alyssa out of everyone alive

It would be quite the stretch that Alyssa and Thoth let me make a shit claim like that

Or that I wouldn't prepare a claim in advance. Even if you assume I spent my time DP1 jacking off and snorting cocaine, I probably should be making a fakeclaim with my scum buddies help when Town eventually comes knocking. So "Thoth and Alyssa had shit claims" doesn't really work. Also, you aren't exactly the paragon of fakeclaims yourself.