Solo Leveling DP 5

And Whiteflame, I think it's worth considering whether it really makes sense to secure the kill on 2 mafia DP1 to power myself up, especially given that the power up is tied to the queen in particular dying. At the end of the day, the tell I caught was real, it implicated more than one scum, and it's unlikely anyone else was going to find it, so you need a really strong case to argue that it was in s!Mestari's best interest to open the game killing half of his team.

So this begs the question, do you have a reason to work against the town for your own independent goals?

Your logic is predicated on the mafia structure mirroring the town structure.

Giving you the same response I gave before: I have no incentive to do so.

As Rex said, I had awesome strengthen me and investigated Rex.

Was trying to narrow our POE by two people. If awesome was scum, he wouldn't really strengthen me, and Rex's miller-esque role would return a fake guilty result. If Rex was scum, then awesome's Strengthener would've yielded me a true guilty result. Either way, a guilty result would indicate one of them was scum and an innocent would indicate they were both town.

I got an innocent result.

Imo this clears them, barring two very specific scenarios.

And Whiteflame, I think it's worth considering whether it really makes sense to secure the kill on 2 mafia DP1 to power myself up, especially given that the power up is tied to the queen in particular dying. At the end of the day, the tell I caught was real, it implicated more than one scum, and it's unlikely anyone else was going to find it, so you need a really strong case to argue that it was in s!Mestari's best interest to open the game killing half of his team.

I've stated openly now a couple of times that you're not top of my scum list right now, I just can't dismiss you entirely based on that behavior. If you want to argue that outing two scum players makes you obvious town, be my guest, but I can't say I'm buying into that as fully as I once would.

Was trying to narrow our POE by two people. If awesome was scum, he wouldn't really strengthen me, and Rex's miller-esque role would return a fake guilty result. If Rex was scum, then awesome's Strengthener would've yielded me a true guilty result. Either way, a guilty result would indicate one of them was scum and an innocent would indicate they were both town.

So I feel like I'm missing something.

The Strengthener role, to my knowledge, has always focused on manipulation via action, i.e. if someone were to try and RB or Redirect the target, then said Strengthened target would effectively ignore the RB or Redirect and go through as normal. I've never heard of a Strengthener that ignores manipulations of the end result, i.e. effectively turning a Miller Vanilla for the purposes of an investigation. So could you, REF or Awesome clarify how this was supposed to work?

While we're at it, I'd like some clarity on REF's role. I thought the way he'd stated it works is that it randomizes a result on him. Is it now an active Guild Miller? Does he always just read as having a different wincon?

I asked ahead of time if awesome's Strengthener would negate result-randomizing abilities. Mikal confirmed it would.

I did make the almost-fatal error of assuming that for binary investigation results, Rex's role just flips it to the opposite result. It turns out that is how it works, but I didn't know that for sure ahead of time. Rex can answer in full how his role works.

Mikal told me that it would override cop natures, such as paranoid or naive. He explained it as guaranteeing success, and clarified that there are game conditions (which we now know to be guild alignment) they could effect the results beyond that. I further asked how this would effect investigating godfather or a person who randomizes results and he said strengthening takes prio.

My ride to work will be here soon. I will have limited availability for the next hour.

What did you say about ur plan in the guild?

I asked awesome to strengthen me. That's all they knew about it.

Something I would like help looking into while I'm at work... If Rex is town then there was no mole. If there was no mole, there is less reason for mafia to have framed Pie. I think it's worth looking into DP3 in particular with the stances people took WRT the guilty and the mole.

Scum must've been laughing their asses off DP2 knowing they didn't frame Pie and town was still tearing itself apart.

I'll take a look back.

Mikal watching town destroy itself over an undisclosed game mechanic

Whiteflame

Banana

MagicMan

assuming cop results are true this narrowed the pool to 3 people. I’d laugh my fucking ass off if it was whiteflame / Mag1c

I cannot count the number of times town self destructed after several successful lynches.

I played in a multiball mash where town got pummeled despite lynching correctly the majority of the time. There was so many MIs fires and T/T violence during ita window that town eventually became the uninformed minority and lost.

I asked ahead of time if awesome's Strengthener would negate result-randomizing abilities. Mikal confirmed it would.

I did make the almost-fatal error of assuming that for binary investigation results, Rex's role just flips it to the opposite result. It turns out that is how it works, but I didn't know that for sure ahead of time. Rex can answer in full how his role works.

So now the Strengthener functions entirely different from every Strengthener I've ever seen, and like your role, it's mod confirmed to do so. Great, love that, at least this time we know how the fuck it works.

Mikal told me that it would override cop natures, such as paranoid or naive. He explained it as guaranteeing success, and clarified that there are game conditions (which we now know to be guild alignment) they could effect the results beyond that. I further asked how this would effect investigating godfather or a person who randomizes results and he said strengthening takes prio.

So... Mikal basically confirmed that this role exists in this game? Or were you asking about a hypothetical Strengthener and he just gave away all that would be part of how a Strengthener would work in this game? Like, I believe you at this point, I'm just baffled.

Then again awesome / Rex is still possible if awesome is lying about strengthening and wryly getting the same bad result.

Whiteflame

Banana

MagicMan

assuming cop results are true this narrowed the pool to 3 people. I’d laugh my fucking ass off if it was whiteflame / Mag1c

Dude, if you really believe SJW is scum in this game, I don't even know what to tell you. I understand seeing me as plausible TP, but as part of the scum team would be something else.

Whiteflame

Banana

MagicMan

Can you remind me of your read on Magic? Do you believe that Mafia waived poison NP1 after having 1 Mafia lynched that day and another on the block?

For what it's worth my PoE is Whiteflame, Banana, Kohai at this point. I don't think SJW is scum, but I do think it's a possible fake claim. I reckon it's Whiteflame + Kohai, but Banana is obviously the lynch first.

It could have been a gambit to pull the doc onto magic so they could safely kill Luna. I asked Mikal about this last night, he said if the scum team asked them if a doctor cured poison he would tell them yes. At the same time, Magic could get huge town cred.

If they knew how the doc worked, the alternative was to town confirm someone else and distract the doc for one NP.

I don't imagine in the panic of what mafia's DP1 was they would have assumed their poison could be fucked too. You raise a valid point, but why not poison literally any town and advance their wincon while so far behind

Like at some point you have to drop the fancy play and play for immediate advancement if the wincon

The problem I’m having is that something simply is not computing

Living players

Whiteflame

Kohai

Banana

iLikePie5

Mestari

Awesome

Wryly

MagicMan

Rex

Conf town

pie

if cop accurate

awesome

wryly

Rex

This leaves exactly

Whiteflame

Banana

Mestari

MagicMan

Unless there was massive w/w theatre on d1 Mestari is hard unpaired from Thoth / Alyssa leaving exactly

Whiteflame

Banana

MagicMan

Call me crazy but something isn’t computing

It could have been a gambit to pull the doc onto magic so they could safely kill Luna

This is honestly a legitimate possibility.

If REF’s result is random, how do you know Awesome really strengthened you?

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Come on guys

For what it's worth my PoE is Whiteflame, Banana, Kohai at this point. I don't think SJW is scum, but I do think it's a possible fake claim. I reckon it's Whiteflame + Kohai, but Banana is obviously the lynch first.

So Mikal has posted a large amount of flavor text talking about SJW and his essential role to the conflict all to fluff up a fake claim? That's what you think could be going on?

What do you imagine isn't computing?