A-Brand wrote:
I'm thinking the best massclaim may be to have everyone say whether or not they are vanilla and leave the specific power roles unstated.
This is just 🤦♂️
A-Flora wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
Statistically a 33% chance is better than we’ll get. The alternative is pushing Brand, but he’s basically AWOL. I’m fine getting the 3rd claim from him
This strategy gives a pass to everyone else not psoting and participating and kind of banks on a hail mary prayer, I don't see where this 33% bs is coming for either, are we pulling this out of our ass? We have time left, lets force people to post!
I talked about the math earlier. Let’s assume at most there are 6 real Vanillas and 3 scum. So any group of 3 players, 33% are likely to be scum fundamentally.
Lets vote on behavior.
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Flora wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
Statistically a 33% chance is better than we’ll get. The alternative is pushing Brand, but he’s basically AWOL. I’m fine getting the 3rd claim from him
This strategy gives a pass to everyone else not psoting and participating and kind of banks on a hail mary prayer, I don't see where this 33% bs is coming for either, are we pulling this out of our ass? We have time left, lets force people to post!
I talked about the math earlier. Let’s assume at most there are 6 real Vanillas and 3 scum. So any group of 3 players, 33% are likely to be scum fundamentally.
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Lets vote on behavior.
Im fine with that too, though a combo seems to be in order. I think Brands is just doubling down right now. Happy to lynch him here
Real talk for 1 second: the inactive rule probably finds scum at a higher rate than using my reads.
A-Oberon wrote:
Real talk for 1 second: the inactive rule probably finds scum at a higher rate than using my reads.
Well Fiona and Julian have finally made appearances so I am hopeful. Bleys is a bit inactive though that is normal. Random too, but also kind of normal. I expect some more from dierdre. Llewella though is purposefully being less active though, which feels either scummy, or game thorwing for the dumbest fucking reason ever. What are your thoughts on that?
What are your thoughts on Llewella? Both general thoughts and specifically about 398
I expect some more from dierdre.
Posted my reads in #540. Always love when the page changes immediately after a big post.
What are your thoughts on Llewella? Both general thoughts and specifically about 398
Gave general thoughts in that post, but yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of what Llewella is doing. Don't know if they'd draw this much attention to themselves as scum, but that's only because I've never seen their scum game. Certainly isn't helping the rest of us.
I kind of don't like everyone harping on Brand being scummy for simply suggesting a mass claim. Like if he is scum its for other reasons, and I do lean scum on him atm, but I don't think scums strategy was to oust all the power roles, and brand of all people thought his grand idea suggestion as scum would be the one that was accepted. That said I won't debate it super hard either because I do suspect Brand for the interaction between him and the mod posting about cryptography.
Gave general thoughts in that post, but yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of what Llewella is doing. Don't know if they'd draw this much attention to themselves as scum,
The problem with being in an unfiltered mason PM with this person is that I got to hear a lot of their thoughts both about that game, but how they play. And from my understanding, this person is capable of high level plays to induce that exact same logic that you just used to clear them. They in multiple instances in that Mason thread humble bragged about their abilities as scum, and how they would employ and use crazy strategies for fun. This person enjoys a challenge I think as either affiliation, and high level wifom isn't beyond them. So them doing this and then going further to purposefully ignore my many requests for reads or any sort of direction to the day phase at all, not only just doesn't make sense strategically, it seems like this is a ploy to get us over thinking about mislynching them after what happened in the last game.
A-Gerard wrote:
Llewella though is purposefully being less active though, which feels either scummy, or game thorwing for the dumbest fucking reason ever. What are your thoughts on that?
He's like one of those kids who says his dad is the CEO of mafia or something. Can be ignored.
A-Oberon wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
Llewella though is purposefully being less active though, which feels either scummy, or game thorwing for the dumbest fucking reason ever. What are your thoughts on that?
He's like one of those kids who says his dad is the CEO of mafia or something. Can be ignored.
So we perpetually ignore his slot?
A-Gerard wrote:
I kind of don't like everyone harping on Brand being scummy for simply suggesting a mass claim. Like if he is scum its for other reasons, and I do lean scum on him atm, but I don't think scums strategy was to oust all the power roles, and thoth of all people thought his grand idea suggestion as scum would be the one that was accepted. That said I won't debate it super hard either because I do suspect Brand for the interaction between him and the mod posting about cryptography.
Last post for the night. I'm less concerned with Brand just outright calling for a mass claim and more with how he's chosen to defend it, which is in line with the arguments presented so far for lynching between the VTs we have so far (he's basically doubling down on that and hoping to get more VTs in that pool to consider). I get the point about the cryptography, just doesn't stand out to me as much.
Gave general thoughts in that post, but yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of what Llewella is doing. Don't know if they'd draw this much attention to themselves as scum,
The problem with being in an unfiltered mason PM with this person is that I got to hear a lot of their thoughts both about that game, but how they play. And from my understanding, this person is capable of high level plays to induce that exact same logic that you just used to clear them. They in multiple instances in that Mason thread humble bragged about their abilities as scum, and how they would emply and use crazy strategies for fun. This person enjoys a challenge I think as either affiliation, and high level wifom isn't beyond them. So them doing this and then going further to purposefully ignore my many requests for reads or any sort of direction to the day phase at all, not only just doesn't make sense strategically, it seems like this is a ploy to get us over thinking about mislynching them after what happened in the last game.
I'll have to consider that. Since I wasn't in that chat, I'm going to be deferring a lot to you and one other player in the game who was, so I'll sleep on it.
A-Gerard wrote:
So we perpetually ignore his slot?
Treat it like an inactive slot
A-Oberon wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
So we perpetually ignore his slot?
Treat it like an inactive slot
So lynch it?
Last post for the night. I'm less concerned with Brand just outright calling for a mass claim and more with how he's chosen to defend it, which is in line with the arguments presented so far for lynching between the VTs we have so far (he's basically doubling down on that and hoping to get more VTs in that pool to consider). I get the point about the cryptography, just doesn't stand out to me as much.
Fair enough. Glad we got you in time for your reads, too bad that was basically all you were able to post today. Do you think you will be much more active tomorrow? I think I am gonna be talking to myself again all night and I am going crazy.
Please provide reads at your earliest convenience, and provide who you are leaning on lynching for today.
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Martin wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
Really? If they are just town, its just free mislynches. Kind of dumb. Let's engage our brains and lynch with at least the barest minimum of behavioral analysis please.
ya i kind of want to lynch anyone who just blindly wants to lynch the only two ppl to claim so far
You buddying me just makes me want to scum read you. Stop.
agreeing with u isnt buddying tho
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A-Brand (3/7): A-Random (p#215), A-Flora (p#533), A-Bleys (p#232)
A-Llewella (1/7): A-Brand (p#6)
A-Flora (1/7): A-Caine (p#290)
A-Bleys (1/7): A-Oberon (p#530)
A-Fiona (1/7): A-Gerard (p#334)
Not Voting (5): A-Deirdre, A-Fiona, A-Julian, A-Llewella (p#418), A-Martin (p#171)
With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 day, 15 hours.
ok time 4 reads. i only think i know who a few ppl are, not everyone, but ill just read them as their hidden acc since idk who is who
bleys seems a bit scummy, got very defensive against gerard eary in the game, omgus voted him. i think oberon also might be onto something about the slip; why is he saying he doesnt know who anyone is when they earlier said they did? they also seem personally offended by the ogi and guessing at ppls character, im guessing scum probably likes being undercover, so being exposed seems to draw complaints from him. i lean scum.
brand seems over defensive about everything, the crypto stuff and the mass claim stuff, maybe my read on them is bad because it seems like their latest posts are purely defense, but i dont have any way to read this players motives and goals because suggested a clear direction. all this persons posts have been on the fluff side, or just not really effecting the games output so i am leaning scum here as well
caine is kind of null but kind of town, i dont have a bad feeling about them yet. despite the testing posts, they seemed to have solid involvement in the game, shutting down the mass claim thing with logic, and also pursuing activity from lewla and flora. they were the first to claim vanilla, and a few vanillas are common in some games, so i kind of town read that.
deerdre is seeming very town, was one of the only other ppl to post reads, and they seem to be making the most out of their limited time unlike a lot of others.
fiona after being missing for the whole first day just comes in and makes a few posts that havent really said or acomplishd much. we need more from this play so we can scratch beneeth the surface, but for now its null
flora as much as there reputation proceeds them for being "good" seems very intent on lynch the only two claims that have happened at his own request. like both me and cain complied immediately and he still wants to lynch us. this player is a better player than that. but this player knows they can do this without reprcussions, and they said a few times they would do it as either maf or town, so that tells me this player is doing this with negative intentions. they did seem open to looking into brand but outside of that their entire focus has been about lynching vanillas. if i thought it would do anything but waste time i would try to lynch this person, but i know no one will follow me here and it will be a waste of breath. if at any point someone wants to lynch flora tho u have my full support, i think flora is scum
gerard feels town. the activity and frustration with no one posting feels town specficly and the fact that they are pressing and pinging ppl for reads. if he was scum it would be too easy to let the dp fester, and he would have no reason not to wagon with oberon and flora to get the vanillas lynched without reprcution. so the fact they are being open minded makes me think they are town.
julian has a late entry to the game but i like their posts so far, they seem to be catching up and collecting info. a bit of frustration at mechanics and test posts. i think we will get more activity from them later but for now they seem alright. very very slight town.
lewla feels like they are up to something. looking at their iso it seems a bit all over the place. they have been dodgy, and undirected, and the vote for gerard seems omgussy as well as the defensive post where they said gerard was casting shade just for asking them questions. i think this person is scum.
oberon i liked initially but now that they support the lynching of vt's i dont like that at all. calls gerard sus early, but somewhere dropped that read or let it go because they never clarified it or followed up with it. points out a scum slip with bleys and votes them, i need to see more but for now im just a little wierded out by them wanting to lynch vt's so slight scum
random didnt seem to udnerstand why i claimed vt even tho i was pressured by flora to do it, and has tried giving me crap about it a few times. they also back up brand on the mass claim thing which is strange. id say null on them.
ill help pressure brand for now
VTL: A-Brand
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A-Brand (4/7): A-Random (p#215), A-Flora (p#533), A-Bleys (p#232), A-Martin (p#560)
A-Llewella (1/7): A-Brand (p#6)
A-Flora (1/7): A-Caine (p#290)
A-Bleys (1/7): A-Oberon (p#530)
A-Fiona (1/7): A-Gerard (p#334)
Not Voting (4): A-Deirdre, A-Fiona, A-Julian, A-Llewella (p#418)
With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 day, 14 hours.
Thanks for the reads!
flora as much as there reputation proceeds them for being "good" seems very intent on lynch the only two claims that have happened at his own request. like both me and cain complied immediately and he still wants to lynch us. this player is a better player than that. but this player knows they can do this without reprcussions, and they said a few times they would do it as either maf or town, so that tells me this player is doing this with negative intentions. they did seem open to looking into brand but outside of that their entire focus has been about lynching vanillas. if i thought it would do anything but waste time i would try to lynch this person, but i know no one will follow me here and it will be a waste of breath. if at any point someone wants to lynch flora tho u have my full support, i think flora is scum
Its not that people aren't open to lynching him per say, its more of the fact that he is one of the more active players. He is one of the few that will actually post a lot and respond when pinged. So lynching him has a cost we cannot afford unless he is scum, because the rest of town isn't really pulling their weight as much. At least yet. The other person that I had hope for dragging town out of this, Llewella, is refusing to help as well. So we can try to lynch flora, probably fail, argue with him for 90% of it just for it to go nowhere, and then there's still a chance he's just town and calls us all idiots because sometimes flora does pursue meta over behavior, so there is a world where he does this as town.
I am kind of with you in the camp that it feels like he's choosing an easy road here though. If people were open to the lynch I would support it but I also want to give him a chance to cook and see if he has something better to offer before we just yeet him.
A few thoughts about your reads:
WRT the Llewella read, I am a bit surprised you and Oberon aren't really concerned about the strategy of not participating. I am wondering if it's a combination of two things. 1. Post traumatic mislynch disorder from Solo Leveling, and 2. Not knowing how to read them after only playing with them once.
On both counts I would say I at the very least understand. Here's the thing, strategically, this isn't good. I think we can agree on that. I offered them the option of posting multiple reads in single lines even if its a bit spammy. But I was ignored at every turn when I asked them about game direction and reads. So outside of it being just anti-town, or a bad strategy, how is what they are doing indicative of town alignment? I asked them directly to tell me why I should town read them and they basically told me I have no reason to, and that I should view them at best as a third party. This person is now DIRECTLY telling me not to town read them. This was not a vibe I got from them last game where they were bleeding town the entire game in the mason thread. On top of this person directly telling me they like to make ballsy plays as scum, it just gives me an immense amount of pause. And then they turn the conversation around on me despite giving them multiple outs to take the game in literally any other direction, they make it a 1 v 1 thing and basically say "How about I don't tell you shit because I don't trust you." As if there is 0 benefit in doing this for the sake of their own team, assuming they are town.
So you and oberon having a null on them pings me funny. While there isn't a metric ton of things to read into here, they have provided a considerable amount more than other players you have given stances on like bleys/oberon. I guess I think it would have been less awkward if you took any stance even a town read, but coming to a null stance makes me get tingles that you may be paired with this person, and trying to draw attention away from them by dismissing them as a null, and oberons stance of treating them like an inactive doesn't ease that suspicion.
TL;DR My question is do you think there is any readable behavior in Llewella, or do you truly, actually believe out of all of this individuals posts, they are just a complete null read?
WRT Caine, I'm confused how you arrived at null/slight town here.
"The early push to get him to claim and his response to it come off as pretty consistent with this normal play, even if I can't get out of my head that having to claim first makes it more likely he's going to just out as VT to avoid a CC."
This line specifically seems like you have more of a negative stance on the claim than a positive one, as the positive only says his response seems "consistent" and consistency for the most part is kind of NAI to a degree.
WRT Oberon also confused about the town read. A lot of that stems from the buddying bleys comment, and you thinking thats abnormal for them, but that doesn't explain why you think an abnormal approach being used = them being town. Usually straying from behaviors yields the opposite response. Maybe my paranoia about the shared Llewella null stance is seeping into my paranoia about your stance on oberon though, but if you are able to explain this one a bit further that would be cool, especially since this player has made an official stance against bleyse, so wondering if that effects your read on them at all.
I am good with the rest of the reads, and thanks for providing them.
Some questions for you about your reads. Again, thanks for providing them.
You call brand out mildly for fluff posting, but from my POV you've kind of fluffed a bit this day phase as well. At least in terms of short quips here and there and not taking a major stance or doing much of anything until poked or prodded. Would you agree with this sentiment? If so why or why not?
Why does Caine get town cred simply for claiming VT first when it should be fairly obvious to scum that VT is a role that exists based on the set up thread?
With flora I am getting the impression that you are only holding back from pursuing them as your main target because you fear the challenge of accomplishing their lynch, am I correct in this?
Your read on Oberon comes off a bit OMGUS-y. It sounds like the only thing holding you back from town reading them is the fact that they are willing to lynch in the Vanillas, which you claim to be. Am I wrong in this?
Not picking on you, but as one of the few people to post reads, I want to get some dialogue going so I can get into your brain a bit further and understand the way you think, so I appreciate your response to any of this in advance.
What do you think is towns road to victory here, and what part do you think you can play in getting it accomplished?
I would really like an update from you to see where your head is at. What do you make of the game and players? Any scum reads yet, or things that stick out from you since you posted last?
It's officially been over 24 hours since I asked you this in 288. This isn't a good look considering you also dis-appeared after delaying a claim in Solo Leveling, just to come back later with one of the more wild claims i've ever seen.
Is this really all coincidence? Are you just a busy bee or are you trying to stall this out again?
Why should we believe your town? What do you feel you have done to provide a significant benefit to the town in this game so far?
Doing an ISO of you I am not finding a lot to work with yet. I know you came into this one late, so I can give you grace but specifically you saying nothing is jumping out at you at the stage in the game when you said that, I just can't wrap my ahead around how a player of your caliber wouldn't have any solid reads besides the Martin town read, and the slight FOS on Flora and Random.
If you get a chance to catch up and post reads they would be appreciated, if you are town you could be the sleeper build we need to get the day phase into gear. It feels very stale atm.
What are your current thoughts on the game? Any one sticking out to you yet? What do you think the ideal route to progressing this game is going to be? Would love to hear some of your insights, as I respect your abilities as town when you lock in. Still waiting to see you fully lock in, so it leaves me a bit in limbo with your slot atm.
