Anyway, I’m putting my vote on Martin knowing I will probably be outvoted. It’s plurality lynch, so failing to meet the seven votes will still result in a lynch. I don’t see a world in which Pie gets away from the lynch next DP if Martin flips town unless he’s hiding a PR, so from my perspective, this is the better play.
VTL: A-Martin
The long and short of it is that I think Pie doesn’t draw this kind of heat on himself if he’s scum.
Oh bull fucking shit man lol. Scum Pie wants all the smoke. Dude has the biggest ego in all of mafia. He probably didn't think there was a margin of possibility of him being a day phase one lynch. When is the last time you remember pie even getting lynched, let alone day phase one? You think that cocky SOB didn't think he would get an out for this?
He knows his strategy applies to him as well, knows that another VT claim flipping town puts him in even hotter water.
Quite the opposite actually. This is self admitted. He wanted to only employ the lynch vanilla strat one time, and if it was a mislynch just full stop. Which gives him a perfect pass for when he inevitably claims vanilla later lol
It just doesn’t come off as scummy.
So what would pie have to do to come off as scummy because even pie self admits he would double down as either affiliation. Your giving him a pass for something he thinks is NAI lol
Riskier than you'd expect from him as town or as scum?
As scum. I think he’s pushing this hard because he believes in the strategy and that he’ll be NK’d soon enough, so he’s going all-in. As scum, I don’t think he resigns himself to always being in POE.
A-Flora wrote:
When I flip town, lynch Martin. Statistically, she is scum and behaviorally she’s scum. Y’all were bamboozled the entire game. I called her as scum DP1.
right, behaviorally scum because u think i was passive agressive. okay lol
Regardless of this flip. There is a lot of analysis from this. Im staying brand. Trust me gut with the rage quit. The flora lynch seems opportunistic. I dont think i scum read Gerald but I def think there are scum on the wagon
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A-Flora (5/7): A-Caine (p#843), A-Gerard (p#649), A-Julian (p#646), A-Martin (p#774), A-Fiona (p#980)
A-Brand (3/7): A-Random (p#215), A-Bleys (p#232), A-Oberon (p#729)
A-Martin (2/7): A-Flora (p#970), A-Deirdre (p#991)
A-Llewella (1/7): A-Brand (p#6)
A-Bleys (1/7): A-Llewella (p#670)
Not Voting (0): None
With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day phase ends in 4 hours.
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
A-Deirdre wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
Gonna do some speed reading of past pages, but can either of you tell me real quick why there's a Flora wagon?
Mainly has to do with his strategy of lynching among VT claims. Lot of disagreement as to whether that’s good or will lead to a slew of mislynches, wagon formed in part because the view that this was aiming for the latter.
Mm, I see. I feel like that's pretty NAI for Flora, tho? I'll read through the past few pages but that doesn't convince me immediately
Pie pretending to follow a policy but not following through with it would be NAI. How many times have you heard pie say he wants to policy lynch a miller but then never follow through? Then the one game where he doesn't have a fuck ton of mech analysis to go on, his idea is to follow through policy lynching vanillas when we have reason to believe theres a ton of them, and he is one himself? Then he goes on to tunnel that read the rest of the day phase, barely look into anyone else, and provide the weakest read list I've ever seen from pie? What does scum pie do in this game if this isn't scum pie? What does a scum pie game look like in your eyes?
As for the Miller thing, the reason he's backed off in the past is generally that he couldn't get it going in the first place because other people didn't agree with the policy and thought there was a better option in context. So I guess it is of note that no one else is voting for Martin yet. As for what a scum Flora looks like... Pretty much like town Flora. The one time did genuinely catch him behaviorally, it's because he made a particular argument against a specific player that he had used in a previous game where he was scum, and I caught on to that. Unfortunately, I was wrong about his partner, which cost us the game
A-Deirdre wrote:
Anyway, I’m putting my vote on Martin knowing I will probably be outvoted. It’s plurality lynch, so failing to meet the seven votes will still result in a lynch. I don’t see a world in which Pie gets away from the lynch next DP if Martin flips town unless he’s hiding a PR, so from my perspective, this is the better play.
VTL: A-Martin
well if it takes me dying to punish flora for this, so be it. kind of boring to constntly be lynched by the same person over and over again, as either affil. would be cool if u guys took my side even once lol. starting to question why i bother signing up for these.
Martin is on it.
I think im inclined to think martin and brand
Also Fiona needs to claim first thing tomorrow. This vote is just horrible and they’ve been AWOL all day
Beand first imo
Oh bull fucking shit man lol. Scum Pie wants all the smoke. Dude has the biggest ego in all of mafia. He probably didn't think there was a margin of possibility of him being a day phase one lynch. When is the last time you remember pie even getting lynched, let alone day phase one? You think that cocky SOB didn't think he would get an out for this?
If that’s what he thinks he’s doing, then he’s wrong. It’s not giving him an out, at least not beyond this DP. It just makes him a priority lynch the longer the game goes on, and from my perspective, a priority the moment Martin flips town.
Quite the opposite actually. This is self admitted. He wanted to only employ the lynch vanilla strat one time, and if it was a mislynch just full stop. Which gives him a perfect pass for when he inevitably claims vanilla later lol
If that’s what he believes should happen, fine. It’ll backfire on him. I’ll push for his lynch and it looks like I wouldn’t be alone.
So what would pie have to do to come off as scummy because even pie self admits he would double down as either affiliation. Your giving him a pass for something he thinks is NAI lol
I’m saying the move doesn’t make sense to start as scum. He’d have to double down on it either way because he’s too invested, but I don’t think scum Pie puts this kind of attention on himself and literally inserts himself into POE for the rest of the game as a starting strategy.
A-Random wrote:
Regardless of this flip. There is a lot of analysis from this. Im staying brand. Trust me gut with the rage quit. The flora lynch seems opportunistic. I dont think i scum read Gerald but I def think there are scum on the wagon
So much for wanting to town block and sheep me lol.
Why is your vote on Flora? Just did an ISO and you've contributed almost nothing to this game
well if it takes me dying to punish flora for this, so be it. kind of boring to constntly be lynched by the same person over and over again, as either affil. would be cool if u guys took my side even once lol. starting to question why i bother signing up for these.
You survived quite a while last game mainly on behavior. Sorry if I’m a little hesitant to read good behavior in a similar light this game, but that’s the way it is. It’s not like you’re always an early lynch.
Im saying I do townblock you. Just reinforcing for later day phases. You leading this isn't scumy behavior but I do think scum would want a kill on pie dp1
As for the Miller thing, the reason he's backed off in the past is generally that he couldn't get it going in the first place because other people didn't agree with the policy and thought there was a better option in context.
Your giving him a lot of credit. I have always thought he just never wanted to admit he was wrong about it because he defended it so hard, but if he town reads a miller he isn't going to lynch them lol. Meta Policy is only stringent when it nets him mislynches.
Pretty much like town Flora. The one time did genuinely catch him behaviorally, it's because he made a particular argument against a specific player that he had used in a previous game where he was scum, and I caught on to that.
Pie's behavior here is almost exactly like the game where I caught on to his bus of Casey and went into LYLO with him. Called me names, told me he would laugh in the endgame, pulled every manipulation strategy to get me to vote wylted in LYLO. He was scum.
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A-Flora (5/7): A-Caine (p#843), A-Gerard (p#649), A-Julian (p#646), A-Martin (p#774), A-Fiona (p#980)
A-Brand (3/7): A-Random (p#215), A-Bleys (p#232), A-Oberon (p#729)
A-Martin (2/7): A-Flora (p#970), A-Deirdre (p#991)
A-Llewella (1/7): A-Brand (p#6)
A-Bleys (1/7): A-Llewella (p#670)
Not Voting (0): None
With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day phase ends in 3 hours.
A-Random wrote:
Im saying I do townblock you. Just reinforcing for later day phases. You leading this isn't scumy behavior but I do think scum would want a kill on pie dp1
They would just night kill him lol. When's the last time you've seen pie get lynched? Whens the last time it happened day phase 1?
Wish more people would read thoth posts and behavior. I dont see how people dont see a rage quit
A-Deirdre wrote:
well if it takes me dying to punish flora for this, so be it. kind of boring to constntly be lynched by the same person over and over again, as either affil. would be cool if u guys took my side even once lol. starting to question why i bother signing up for these.
You survived quite a while last game mainly on behavior. Sorry if I’m a little hesitant to read good behavior in a similar light this game, but that’s the way it is. It’s not like you’re always an early lynch.
i survived two day phases bcuz my teamates were getting lynched instead. not exactly an award wining moment. i was always gonna be in the poe and was always going to be lynched, even without the jailkeep. i dont think surviving two mislynches is all that impressive
I agree but if scum wagon on this. They don't have to target pie when he's a prime target for protection. I def think there are opportunistic scum on this.
A-Deirdre wrote:
Oh bull fucking shit man lol. Scum Pie wants all the smoke. Dude has the biggest ego in all of mafia. He probably didn't think there was a margin of possibility of him being a day phase one lynch. When is the last time you remember pie even getting lynched, let alone day phase one? You think that cocky SOB didn't think he would get an out for this?
If that’s what he thinks he’s doing, then he’s wrong. It’s not giving him an out, at least not beyond this DP. It just makes him a priority lynch the longer the game goes on, and from my perspective, a priority the moment Martin flips town.
Quite the opposite actually. This is self admitted. He wanted to only employ the lynch vanilla strat one time, and if it was a mislynch just full stop. Which gives him a perfect pass for when he inevitably claims vanilla later lol
If that’s what he believes should happen, fine. It’ll backfire on him. I’ll push for his lynch and it looks like I wouldn’t be alone.
So what would pie have to do to come off as scummy because even pie self admits he would double down as either affiliation. Your giving him a pass for something he thinks is NAI lol
I’m saying the move doesn’t make sense to start as scum. He’d have to double down on it either way because he’s too invested, but I don’t think scum Pie puts this kind of attention on himself and literally inserts himself into POE for the rest of the game as a starting strategy.
Lowkey these are some good points from Deirdre. I'm inclined to agree that this is the sort of risk Flora would not be inclined to make as scum, not this early in the game. On the other hand, Martin has just felt off to me all game. Like I said earlier, I was genuinely surprised when I realized who they were. I might switch to Flora by EoD simply out of self-preservation if need be, but I want to see where this goes.
VTL: A-Martin
A-Random wrote:
Wish more people would read thoth posts and behavior. I dont see how people dont see a rage quit
He didn't rage quit in solo leveling. He stayed talking to helz for a page and a half after being lynched lol. This is more like Ruyi Zhuan where he just got sick and dis-appeared, except we didn't have the benefit of getting him replaced in that one.
A-Brand wrote:
A-Deirdre wrote:
Oh bull fucking shit man lol. Scum Pie wants all the smoke. Dude has the biggest ego in all of mafia. He probably didn't think there was a margin of possibility of him being a day phase one lynch. When is the last time you remember pie even getting lynched, let alone day phase one? You think that cocky SOB didn't think he would get an out for this?
If that’s what he thinks he’s doing, then he’s wrong. It’s not giving him an out, at least not beyond this DP. It just makes him a priority lynch the longer the game goes on, and from my perspective, a priority the moment Martin flips town.
Quite the opposite actually. This is self admitted. He wanted to only employ the lynch vanilla strat one time, and if it was a mislynch just full stop. Which gives him a perfect pass for when he inevitably claims vanilla later lol
If that’s what he believes should happen, fine. It’ll backfire on him. I’ll push for his lynch and it looks like I wouldn’t be alone.
So what would pie have to do to come off as scummy because even pie self admits he would double down as either affiliation. Your giving him a pass for something he thinks is NAI lol
I’m saying the move doesn’t make sense to start as scum. He’d have to double down on it either way because he’s too invested, but I don’t think scum Pie puts this kind of attention on himself and literally inserts himself into POE for the rest of the game as a starting strategy.
Lowkey these are some good points from Deirdre. I'm inclined to agree that this is the sort of risk Flora would not be inclined to make as scum, not this early in the game. On the other hand, Martin has just felt off to me all game. Like I said earlier, I was genuinely surprised when I realized who they were. I might switch to Flora by EoD simply out of self-preservation if need be, but I want to see where this goes.
VTL: A-Martin
Holy fucking shit, pies gonna get away with it. I actually can't believe this shit right now lol
I give up. Pie wins again. Why did I fuck my sleep schedule up for this lol I should have known pie would get his way.
well good luck guys. i think this is gonna be my last one for a while. im a bit tired of getting lynched and always losing this battle with him lol
Maybe cause people recognize that you’re tunneling me. You even said something yourself that nothing I could say would change your mind d
A-Flora wrote:
A-Fiona wrote:
I want to see how the new A-brand handles things before voting there
Welcome back. Thoughts on Martin?
I read them and it seems they gave you everything you wanted and still go after them
I don't see anything wrong with them. I will consider it if you flip town.
A-Flora wrote:
Maybe cause people recognize that you’re tunneling me. You even said something yourself that nothing I could say would change your mind d
Tunneling you would imply I was planning on lynching you for longer than just last night. Tunneling is in fact what you did this entire day phase.
