Caine does seem scummy as fuck but I struggle to everyone understand whether he's playing like shit or he's scum
Caine does seem scummy as fuck but I struggle to everyone understand whether he's playing like shit or he's scum
A-Random wrote:
Caine does seem scummy as fuck but I struggle to everyone understand whether he's playing like shit or he's scum
I mean those are one and the same. But I lowkey think he’s actually a much better town player. You saw him as town in solo leveling. Do you agree with me that he played that one really well?
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Random wrote:
Caine does seem scummy as fuck but I struggle to everyone understand whether he's playing like shit or he's scum
I mean those are one and the same. But I lowkey think he’s actually a much better town player. You saw him as town in solo leveling. Do you agree with me that he played that one really well?
I actually don’t think I played that great. That said my game there was far better than the last several games.
It’s mostly that vote lol. “I townread Martin but yolo let’s wagon with Flora because he’s scary”
Then he follows it up with
“If Martin flips town I’m turbo lynching you tomorrow”
If your scum in that situation that is a gold opportunity to get two mislynches by setting up flora for a second one. He probably thought support would carry over for flora today, and that lynch was all but guaranteed. I don’t think he planned for the jailer killing him.
A-Caine wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Random wrote:
Caine does seem scummy as fuck but I struggle to everyone understand whether he's playing like shit or he's scum
I mean those are one and the same. But I lowkey think he’s actually a much better town player. You saw him as town in solo leveling. Do you agree with me that he played that one really well?
I actually don’t think I played that great. That said my game there was far better than the last several games.
You put a ton of effort into that one and were able to recover from a pretty scummy seeming claim. I never really thought you were scum that game. I felt a lot of thought and analysis went into your decisions
A-Gerard wrote:
It’s mostly that vote lol. “I townread Martin but yolo let’s wagon with Flora because he’s scary”
Then he follows it up with
“Of Martin flips town I’m turbo lynching you tomorrow”
If your scum in that situation that is a gold opportunity to get two mislynches by setting up flora for a second one. He probably thought support would carry over for flora today, and that lunch was all but guaranteed. I don’t think he planned for the jailer killing him.
as scum I would never pass on an opportunity to mislynch Pie on d1
A-Caine wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
It’s mostly that vote lol. “I townread Martin but yolo let’s wagon with Flora because he’s scary”
Then he follows it up with
“Of Martin flips town I’m turbo lynching you tomorrow”
If your scum in that situation that is a gold opportunity to get two mislynches by setting up flora for a second one. He probably thought support would carry over for flora today, and that lunch was all but guaranteed. I don’t think he planned for the jailer killing him.
as scum I would never pass on an opportunity to mislynch Pie on d1
I mean I think you would. From your POV you probably thought there would be more criticism of that mislynch then the Martin one, and if the Flora lynch followed it and seemed well justified, then you get the Flora lynch anyway
Going to our some more thought into this when I get home. Here’s kinda where I’m at
Living Players
A-Bleys
A-Brand
A-Caine
A-Deirdre
A-Fiona
A-Gerard
A-Llewella
A-Oberon
A-Random
Town
A-Oberon - confirmed blackmail and confirmed fall. Granted could be 3p but I doubt this. Regardless not mafia.
A-Random - There’s a 0% chance he tries to ML someone who is dying anyway. I also don’t see any scum motivation in outing main accounts.
A-Caine - I know I am town
Leaving
A-Bleys
A-Brand
A-Deirdre
A-Fiona
A-Gerard
A-Llewella
I really need to re read those slots. I am still struggling to resolve Brand.
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
It’s mostly that vote lol. “I townread Martin but yolo let’s wagon with Flora because he’s scary”
Then he follows it up with
“Of Martin flips town I’m turbo lynching you tomorrow”
If your scum in that situation that is a gold opportunity to get two mislynches by setting up flora for a second one. He probably thought support would carry over for flora today, and that lunch was all but guaranteed. I don’t think he planned for the jailer killing him.
as scum I would never pass on an opportunity to mislynch Pie on d1
I mean I think you would. From your POV you probably thought there would be more criticism of that mislynch then the Martin one, and if the Flora lynch followed it and seemed well justified, then you get the Flora lynch anyway
Pie has such an incredible ability to somehow yank the noose off his neck and wrap it around someone else. I wouldn’t count on him being the d2 yeet
Pie has such an incredible ability to somehow yank the noose off his neck and wrap it around someone else. I wouldn’t count on him being the d2 yeet
I went into that night phase assuming if I was alive by some miracle, it would be because scum expected me to mislynch Flora lol
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Random wrote:
Caine does seem scummy as fuck but I struggle to everyone understand whether he's playing like shit or he's scum
I mean those are one and the same. But I lowkey think he’s actually a much better town player. You saw him as town in solo leveling. Do you agree with me that he played that one really well?
Slap. Don’t refer to other player’s identities!
I am currently looking for replacements for Fiona and Bleys. I doubt I’ll find any since the two players I asked don’t have much time, but I’ll see.
A-Caine wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
It’s mostly that vote lol. “I townread Martin but yolo let’s wagon with Flora because he’s scary”
Then he follows it up with
“Of Martin flips town I’m turbo lynching you tomorrow”
If your scum in that situation that is a gold opportunity to get two mislynches by setting up flora for a second one. He probably thought support would carry over for flora today, and that lunch was all but guaranteed. I don’t think he planned for the jailer killing him.
as scum I would never pass on an opportunity to mislynch Pie on d1
I mean I think you would. From your POV you probably thought there would be more criticism of that mislynch then the Martin one, and if the Flora lynch followed it and seemed well justified, then you get the Flora lynch anyway
Pie has such an incredible ability to somehow yank the noose off his neck and wrap it around someone else. I wouldn’t count on him being the d2 yeet
Strike two! Do not refer to player’s identities!
Magoroth wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Random wrote:
Caine does seem scummy as fuck but I struggle to everyone understand whether he's playing like shit or he's scum
I mean those are one and the same. But I lowkey think he’s actually a much better town player. You saw him as town in solo leveling. Do you agree with me that he played that one really well?
Slap. Don’t refer to other player’s identities!
I specifically said Caine. You just told me I could operate under the assumption people were other people as long as I role played that they are their current identity. Caine in the other hand literally just dead named pie a couple of times, surprised he didn’t get the slap lol
Magoroth wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
What if we just do what we were doing at first, and just call people by their in game names, but treat them like they are the person we think they are?
Because it's gonna be impossible to not take people's identity into account when reading them, but if you want me to pretend they are their character sure. Was already doing that
That’s fine. Just no shit like “You and I know who X is, why are they acting like this” or something or other.
Can you clarify your answer here then? Because I have no fucking clue what I did wrong lol
"You saw him as town in solo leveling. Do you agree with me that he played that one really well?"
Is the issue
Magoroth wrote:
"You saw him as town in solo leveling. Do you agree with me that he played that one really well?"
Is the issue
He could still be anyone lol and you don’t know who I am referring to with that either. Almost the entire player list was in that game.
Also the cat has been out of the bag on Caine since like page 1 of dp1 this isn’t new info
These rules are so strict and inconsistent that there’s a pretty decent chance I’m gonna be mod killed for something. This shit is wild.
It’s like you see two toddlers standing in each others shoulders wearing a trench coat and you have to pretend it’s a real person lol
A-Gerard wrote:
These rules are so strict and inconsistent that there’s a pretty decent chance I’m gonna be mod killed for something. This shit is wild.
Yeah problem is these rules weren’t enforced from the start. I’ll drop referring to other identities
A-Gerard wrote:
It’s like you see two toddlers standing in each others shoulders wearing a trench coat and you have to pretend it’s a real person lol
Lol
Automated Vote Count
This vote count was generated by the mafia vote bot.
A-Fiona (2/5): A-Gerard (p#55), A-Deirdre (p#198)
A-Brand (1/5): A-Oberon (p#93)
A-Oberon (1/5): A-Random (p#209)
Not Voting (5): A-Bleys, A-Brand, A-Caine (p#237), A-Fiona, A-Llewella
With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 2 days.
A-Caine wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
These rules are so strict and inconsistent that there’s a pretty decent chance I’m gonna be mod killed for something. This shit is wild.
Yeah problem is these rules weren’t enforced from the start. I’ll drop referring to other identities
Yes, this is my fault for not doing so at the very start. I apologise for the heavy-handedness. Neither of you did anything wrong. It’s okay to be confused given how much shit has changed this game.
Magoroth wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
These rules are so strict and inconsistent that there’s a pretty decent chance I’m gonna be mod killed for something. This shit is wild.
Yeah problem is these rules weren’t enforced from the start. I’ll drop referring to other identities
Yes, this is my fault for not doing so at the very start. I apologise for the heavy-handedness. Neither of you did anything wrong. It’s okay to be confused given how much shit has changed this game.
It’s certainly fine. I don’t think we ever had an anonymous game on our sites so this is something new for us.
I will say I am enjoying the game and the setup is quite interesting
Gonna be busy at work today, catching up in the meantime
A-Oberon wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
You clearly ignored what I actually stated in my reply to you. I said that I would claim if someone other than you wanted me to do so right away. After I made that post, no one else did.
That doesn't explain anything.. You already were at L-2, with 2 direct claim requests and 1 indirect claim request.. Saying "well I refused to claim and then nothing happened" doesn't explain why you refused to claim..
Two different people DID IN FACT ask you to claim, as I linked in the post.. "I would claim if two different people wanted me to".. That's a direct quote.. you can't weasel out of this..
The entire point of asking you to claim before you've caught up is to make sure you haven't had time to be filled in by your scum buddies.. Saying you "haven't caught up" isn't a reason for not claiming..
"I didn't claim because I have a PR" that defeats the point of pressured claims.. If vanillas claim and PRs don't that moots the point of hiding PRs.. Town doesn't know if you have a PR or not.. If you claim a PR you clear yourself.. And now that I think about it, we live in a post-Janitor world, so claiming does nothing now.. I don't want you to claim anymore, but I still need you to explain why you didn't claim.
Listen, you and I just have fundamentally different approaches to the game. I understand that the meta on this site is very heavy on pushing for claims. I understand this, but I've grown to dislike it. That's why I like Anticlaim. I remember in Deltarune Mafia when WF basically had to out himself as the Caroler, and Rex criticized the town, saying that he wouldn't have even claimed in that scenario and would have forced the town to either lynch him or give up on making him claim to prove a point. And of course, there was Helz in the last game. And frankly, I respect this kind of approach. I'm not quite so extreme about it, I still would have preferred not dying on D1. But I didn't think that me outing my role was pro-town. You can like it or you can dislike it, but that's all I have to say on the matter
A-Brand wrote:
Gonna be busy at work today, catching up in the meantime
A-Oberon wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
You clearly ignored what I actually stated in my reply to you. I said that I would claim if someone other than you wanted me to do so right away. After I made that post, no one else did.
That doesn't explain anything.. You already were at L-2, with 2 direct claim requests and 1 indirect claim request.. Saying "well I refused to claim and then nothing happened" doesn't explain why you refused to claim..
Two different people DID IN FACT ask you to claim, as I linked in the post.. "I would claim if two different people wanted me to".. That's a direct quote.. you can't weasel out of this..
The entire point of asking you to claim before you've caught up is to make sure you haven't had time to be filled in by your scum buddies.. Saying you "haven't caught up" isn't a reason for not claiming..
"I didn't claim because I have a PR" that defeats the point of pressured claims.. If vanillas claim and PRs don't that moots the point of hiding PRs.. Town doesn't know if you have a PR or not.. If you claim a PR you clear yourself.. And now that I think about it, we live in a post-Janitor world, so claiming does nothing now.. I don't want you to claim anymore, but I still need you to explain why you didn't claim.
Listen, you and I just have fundamentally different approaches to the game. I understand that the meta on this site is very heavy on pushing for claims. I understand this, but I've grown to dislike it. That's why I like Anticlaim. I remember in Deltarune Mafia when WF basically had to out himself as the Caroler, and Rex criticized the town, saying that he wouldn't have even claimed in that scenario and would have forced the town to either lynch him or give up on making him claim to prove a point. And of course, there was Helz in the last game. And frankly, I respect this kind of approach. I'm not quite so extreme about it, I still would have preferred not dying on D1. But I didn't think that me outing my role was pro-town. You can like it or you can dislike it, but that's all I have to say on the matter
There are pros and cons to asking for claim. The thing is in role madness game or vanilla games it can prevent a PR from being ML’d.
A-Llewella wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
Also, I did actually change my pfp as you can see. I also hated the one my predecessor chose fwiw. Would you mind changing yours as well? I don't like it much either. Always been emetophobic
Yeah, Sorry. And thank you. Slowly digging through tons of stuff. Literally only had the vomiting thing looking at the 10 year old BDSM pic. That thing pissed me off every time I saw it legit.
It's all good. Also, glad to actually see you engaging meaningfully with the game this DP. Helps me get a good read on you
A-Random wrote:
Bro re read that shit. Its the slip of slip. Says mod kill. You ask the mod and the mod says nah. Then he course corrects. There is no shot we dont kill him
Wtf is this aggression from Random? I do not buy this theory at all
A-Caine wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
Gonna be busy at work today, catching up in the meantime
A-Oberon wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
You clearly ignored what I actually stated in my reply to you. I said that I would claim if someone other than you wanted me to do so right away. After I made that post, no one else did.
That doesn't explain anything.. You already were at L-2, with 2 direct claim requests and 1 indirect claim request.. Saying "well I refused to claim and then nothing happened" doesn't explain why you refused to claim..
Two different people DID IN FACT ask you to claim, as I linked in the post.. "I would claim if two different people wanted me to".. That's a direct quote.. you can't weasel out of this..
The entire point of asking you to claim before you've caught up is to make sure you haven't had time to be filled in by your scum buddies.. Saying you "haven't caught up" isn't a reason for not claiming..
"I didn't claim because I have a PR" that defeats the point of pressured claims.. If vanillas claim and PRs don't that moots the point of hiding PRs.. Town doesn't know if you have a PR or not.. If you claim a PR you clear yourself.. And now that I think about it, we live in a post-Janitor world, so claiming does nothing now.. I don't want you to claim anymore, but I still need you to explain why you didn't claim.
Listen, you and I just have fundamentally different approaches to the game. I understand that the meta on this site is very heavy on pushing for claims. I understand this, but I've grown to dislike it. That's why I like Anticlaim. I remember in Deltarune Mafia when WF basically had to out himself as the Caroler, and Rex criticized the town, saying that he wouldn't have even claimed in that scenario and would have forced the town to either lynch him or give up on making him claim to prove a point. And of course, there was Helz in the last game. And frankly, I respect this kind of approach. I'm not quite so extreme about it, I still would have preferred not dying on D1. But I didn't think that me outing my role was pro-town. You can like it or you can dislike it, but that's all I have to say on the matter
There are pros and cons to asking for claim. The thing is in role madness game or vanilla games it can prevent a PR from being ML’d.
I get that, I do. But I don't like how the meta on this site often ends up with PRs being forced to out themselves. I understand it can't be avoided 100% of the time (excluding all Vanilla games), but I feel like it happens too often here