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Frieren Mafia - DP1

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ISO #61 •••
--> @Mag1cman


Mag1cman wrote:
Do you still have those same thoughts/gut feels/whatever on Mikal? Why or why not?

It was kind of RVS but he was not taking the bait. That said I think it’s unlikely Thoth is scum three times in a row. But pretty sure I’ve said the same thing about Whiteflame and been wrong in the past. That said there is a world where Mikal’s Thoth push is not just an opportunistic thing and something he genuinely thinks will go somewhere useful. It’s early game though so we will see. With 9 players and having so many strong players in this one I’d rather focus people like pie and Mikal and yourself early on though

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

ISO #62 •••
--> @Lunatic

I should be around more this game than last. Still busy at work and kids prom is over the weekend but not here 14 hours a day this week. So should be able to check in more


If I was being opportunistic I would bandwagon. Would have pressured Anna or something cus there was already votes there


I do think there is value in pressuring thoth. He vomits at the mouth as scum and slips like crazy. So what I said was true. He had people telling him over and over to shut up and stop talking when he's scum. Think there is likely some trauma there. So I think if you see a uncommon level of inactivity, it could be a scum tell


From his past games. He will hang himself. So pressure there is never bad because it keeps him engaged

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ISO #63 •••

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Mikal (2/5): Thoth (p#16), Lunatic (p#49)

Thoth (1/5): Mikal (p#18)

Banana (1/5): RexFavilla (p#19)

Magoroth (1/5): wylted (p#27)


Not Voting (4): Banana, ILikePie5, Mag1cman (p#57), Magoroth


With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 day, 22 hours.

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ISO #64 •••

For some reason, the time I set the DP to end and the time it says it will end are different, so I changed it. The DP will end at 1:30 PM, not 9:30 AM.

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ISO #65 •••

Get ready for some…PIE

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ISO #66 •••
--> @RexFavilla


RexFavilla wrote:
VTL Banana

Come on Pie, we tricked her into joining lets do this.


Nah I’ll be nice cause my gf said to be nice

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ISO #67 •••
--> @Thoth


Thoth wrote:
Let me save you the trouble. You saw my Discord status as online at a time when people are normally awake in my time zone, so you figured I was waiting for the game to start since I have admitted to preferring scum.


Why so defensive lol

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ISO #68 •••
--> @Thoth


Thoth wrote:
I’ve been thinking about what Helz said in Solo Leveling about how DP1 should be played with the intent of getting information to read from later. I’ve complained more than once about how there’s usually nothing to do on DP1 except place my vote at random and wait. I have seen the light now. We must take stances and accept that some of them will be wrong.


Okay and what stance are you taking?

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ISO #69 •••
--> @wylted


wylted wrote:
VTL: Magoroth

I like Mikals logic


Which logic lol

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ISO #70 •••
--> @Lunatic


Lunatic wrote:
5 beeers deep and town, ask me anything.


Is Thoth scum or town ?

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ISO #71 •••
--> @Thoth


Thoth wrote:
I’m honestly starting to reconsider that scumread since this is Mikal we are talking about, but I’ll park my vote for now and watch as the day progresses.

I’ll soft that I am male.


Why?

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ISO #72 •••

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Mikal (2/5): Thoth (p#16), Lunatic (p#49)

Thoth (1/5): Mikal (p#18)

Banana (1/5): RexFavilla (p#19)

Magoroth (1/5): wylted (p#27)


Not Voting (4): Banana, ILikePie5, Mag1cman (p#57), Magoroth


With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 day, 23 hours.

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ISO #73 •••

VTL: Thoth


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ISO #74 •••

Little bit too defensive this early on Thoth. Luna thinks he’s Goku when he’s more like Piccolo. Mikal hasn’t been mod killed. Mharman feels meh. REF is a misogynist. I love mafia

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ISO #75 •••

Damn Pie is a simp now. Bros before hoes.

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ISO #76 •••

This is lame. Is there anyone in here who posts a lot less as scum, that any of y'all have observed?

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I still don’t know what to type!

ISO #77 •••

#8

Let me save you the trouble. You saw my Discord status as online at a time when people are normally awake in my time zone, so you figured I was waiting for the game to start since I have admitted to preferring scum.

Someone said this feels defensive from Thoth. Eh. It's not very in-your-face but maybe? Eh.


The bigger issue is that this post reveals he's conscious about when he appears online on Discord. I don't care about Discord activity, but being very conscious of your own Discord activity is scummy.


#10

I’ve been thinking about what Helz said in Solo Leveling about how DP1 should be played with the intent of getting information to read from later. I’ve complained more than once about how there’s usually nothing to do on DP1 except place my vote at random and wait. I have seen the light now. We must take stances and accept that some of them will be wrong.

I remember Thoth always being weird, but the self-meta commentary, I haven't seen (or haven't noticed). Are there examples of him doing this as town?


#25

Its just easy to bully you into slipping. 3 games running you have been a dp1 scum lynch for saying weird shit. Pressure on you is never bad because the more you talk the more you slip.

So you are either quiet and its prob a scum tell

Or you talk a lot and if you are scum, you inevitably will throw

On one hand, I like that Mikal saw the vision. On the other hand, telling Thoth what you're doing kinda defeats the point. Scummy aspect. Pointing out that Thoth quieting down is scummy could be a form of blackmail to get Thoth to keep posting, for obvious reasons. Towny aspect. I feel conflicted on this post.


#26

Also angle shooting isn't banned. He said minimal. So im sure ill pull from my arsenal at some point. Plus wf wont kill me. So not to worried about it

Gut says this feels honest, but the confidence that Whiteflame wouldn't kill him is a little scummy. Think about it like this: If Mikal's OGI is fake bc he's scum, no mod would punish that.


#27

VTL: Magoroth

I like Mikals logic

Same issue as the second previous post. There's something to be said about Wylted being impulsive at times. I think that gives him more of a pass, although it doesn't make the post towny.


#31

Im also okay with just hammering thoth for memes. Little over 20 percent chance to be right [likely]

The first sentence feels like it lands in "too scummy to be scum" territory. Like the type of thing so brazen scum wouldn't dare say it.


#33

Im always down to hammer thoth or mag (after last game)

Same as previous.


#42

Nah i wouldn't be talking as scum. Just up seeing if drunk you slips

I don't agree with this point. Moreover, the need to justify ("I'm just seeing if you slip bro!") once again feels off. Drunk scum Lunatic still might do it, but giving your intentions while conducting the experiment still hurts it (*might* hurt it in this case).

#46, #50

My gut is telling me that Mikal is the scummiest scum who ever did scum


I’m honestly starting to reconsider that scumread since this is Mikal we are talking about, but I’ll park my vote for now and watch as the day progresses.

I’ll soft that I am male.


So, jumps on Mikal, then starts to reconsider because it's Mikal. This honestly reeks of a situation where a mafioso makes a push, and then realizes it could get him scumread (in this case, responding to Mikal's pressure with "my gut tells me he's scum" could be called out as OMGUS), or a teammate tells him that it was a bad push. The result is the same: A sudden withdrawal/pause with little explanation.


#61

It was kind of RVS but he was not taking the bait. That said I think it’s unlikely Thoth is scum three times in a row. But pretty sure I’ve said the same thing about Whiteflame and been wrong in the past. That said there is a world where Mikal’s Thoth push is not just an opportunistic thing and something he genuinely thinks will go somewhere useful. It’s early game though so we will see. With 9 players and having so many strong players in this one I’d rather focus people like pie and Mikal and yourself early on though

Pressuring Mikal is fair, can't say I blame him for that. Was Lunatic pretending to be drunk to add to it? If so, an interesting idea that I will not be stealing lol.


The gamblers' fallacy on Thoth is just bad, the sentence after is worse. If you've been wrong on that before, why do it again? Gambler's fallacy is and always will be obvious. Says the push on Thoth is opportunistic. Possibly.


Last sentence probably pairs scum Lunatic with someone outside of Pie, Mikal, and I (Banana, Wylted, Magoroth, Rex, Thoth). Of those names, Thoth sticks out the most for obvious reasons.


#67-71 is very typical of Pie, and very much NAI.

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I still don’t know what to type!

ISO #78 •••

Main theory: Thoth+Lunatic, can also see Thoth+Mikal.


VTL: Thoth


for claim


Softing's not gonna be enough in a game where mafia can either get a fake claim, or can ask about various characters.

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I still don’t know what to type!

ISO #79 •••

NOTE: The problem with the theories is that there's obviously missing data- four players who haven't posted much of anything.


And that's another question to ask: Is this a game where scum is lurking? It absolutely can be. If so, the theories are completely wrong.


So let's ask who would be inactive as scum.


Banana: Absolutely would hide at the start as scum, as I don't think scum Banana would be confident given the last scum game of hers. The issue is that Banana tends to be low-activity anyway, though she has increased her activity recently.


Wylted: Not really. I think scum Wylted would be more afraid of lurking as scum, simply because it could be called out. In a low-activity game, I expect scum Wylted to avoid being one of the reasons for said inactivity. The issue is that Wylted was replaced out the last game, so he might be busy with something.


Magoroth: Possible, but I haven't played enough games with Magoroth to have a guess.


Rex: I've seen him low-activity as both factions, but I do think he's the type of person who would hide among the inactives if he's scum in a low-activity game.


Worth noting that Magoroth and Rex both have multiple instances of being in the thread, but not having anything to say at all, not even the slightest blurb.



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I still don’t know what to type!

ISO #80 •••

So the conclusion of that is that Rex and Magoroth look the worst among the inactives, followed by Banana, and then Wylted. None are explicitly towny or scummy, just a matter of probability.

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I still don’t know what to type!

ISO #81 •••
--> @ILikePie5
Get ready for some…PIE


Little bit too defensive this early on Thoth. Luna thinks he’s Goku when he’s more like Piccolo. Mikal hasn’t been mod killed. Mharman feels meh. REF is a misogynist. I love mafia


Lol bro is extra gleeful today. Did the girlfriend become the fiancée or something?

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I still don’t know what to type!

ISO #82 •••

Automated Vote Count

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Thoth (3/5): Mikal (p#18), ILikePie5 (p#73), Mag1cman (p#78)

Mikal (2/5): Thoth (p#16), Lunatic (p#49)

Banana (1/5): RexFavilla (p#19)

Magoroth (1/5): wylted (p#27)


Not Voting (2): Banana, Magoroth


With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 day, 16 hours.

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ISO #83 •••
Last sentence probably pairs scum Lunatic with someone outside of Pie, Mikal, and I (Banana, Wylted, Magoroth, Rex, Thoth). Of those names, Thoth sticks out the most for obvious reasons.

Consequently, this unpairs scum Lunatic with Pie and Mikal. 80% confidence.

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I still don’t know what to type!

ISO #84 •••

After we get a claim from Thoth, we should also get a claim from one of the inactive 4 I mentioned.

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I still don’t know what to type!

ISO #85 •••
--> @ILikePie5
Luna thinks he’s Goku when he’s more like Piccolo

So basically I am an aura farmer? I’ll take it. Piccolo is a G.

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

ISO #86 •••
--> @ILikePie5


ILikePie5 wrote:

Lunatic wrote:
5 beeers deep and town, ask me anything.

Is Thoth scum or town ?

Tyrion Lannister: People’s minds aren’t made for problems that large. It’s almost a relief to confront a comfortable, familiar monster, like my sister.

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

ISO #87 •••

I’m getting great vibes from mharman early, almost willing to accept him as town for now.

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

ISO #88 •••

I still wanna lynch Mikal honestly.

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In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.

ISO #89 •••
--> @Thoth


Thoth wrote:
I’ve been thinking about what Helz said in Solo Leveling about how DP1 should be played with the intent of getting information to read from later. I’ve complained more than once about how there’s usually nothing to do on DP1 except place my vote at random and wait. I have seen the light now. We must take stances and accept that some of them will be wrong.

i mean how else do you get anything done? u just gotta play and see how things adapt

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ISO #90 •••
--> @RexFavilla


RexFavilla wrote:
VTL Banana

Come on Pie, we tricked her into joining lets do this.

no. bad.

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