Frieren Mafia - DP1

Given my justification and the framing to aspects in this game he has answered. There is a lot of thought in how he gave to character design

There is only one world where he makes himmel vanilla and its the justification magic gave unfortunately

But himel is a central character to the plot abd hia archetype does not line up with that in the slightest. It's way more likely hes not vanilla than is

The bigger point is wf has basically confirmed scum chose the fake claim option.

His wording is this

There is no given justification. The role and character claim are not necessarily pairable.

Meaning they very likely took the fake claim option

Not going to go down the mod psych route but I have a backend reason to potentially assume 1 of 2 are scum and its incredibly angle shooty.

Can't spell it out but potentially will inform my reads on magic and luna

Mag1cman wrote:

So I took a quick look at Himmel the Hero on the fandom wiki page. He died in Episode 1, but there’s many flashbacks of him in almost all the episodes after. It seems the most notable thing about him is not some power or trait he has, but how he impacts the actions of the main living cast, especially Frieren.

So there’s a case to be made for him(mel) being PR and a case to be made for him being vanilla.

The lack of a justification from Thoth is pretty bad, given that Whiteflame did not give a justification for the fake claim.

In addendum, being vanilla doesn’t really match up with such an early soft. Normally, a townie who is a strong PR does that, trying to avoid a full claim.

The soft did feel a bit hasty as well, so this feels like mafia softing to buy time to find a claim, more than a townie who wants to hide his cards from the mafia tea

I have noticed a trend of hasty claiming seeming to come from town more often than scum. Also look at how Thoth behaved under pressure in his last two scum games. While he eventually complied and claimed in solo leveling it was after a night of posturing that he was some super good role that was worth hiding. And he didn’t even claim in Amber mafia despite being the center of the focus the entire day phase. Granted he was sick, but he still didn’t claim like this when he was there and posting. Just saying

Re thinking the thoth noob paring. Now thinking someone could have told him to claim that.

Again assuming hes scum.

If he flips scum we have a good chance at poe I think based on available info

New drinking game: I am gonna take a shot every time Mikal doubles down on Thoth. Wish me luck boys

Before a drunk luna starts to just death tunnel me. I will say im largely conformable whenever I chose to be and have no intention of complying with him. Especially as he gets progressively drunker. But as a soft. I am about a confirmable as conformable confirmable gets

Mag1cman wrote:

What do you think of Banana?

Not sure yet. Keeping an open mind. I may be biased but I liked her vote on Mikal. Not liking that she removed it so fast.

Asking wf if I can share the angleshoot reasons.

But right now

Potentially thoth luna

Or thoth magic

I think there is an active scum posting between the people online.

So that's luna magic or Anna

Mikal wrote:

Before a drunk luna starts to just death tunnel me. I will say im largely conformable whenever I chose to be and have no intention of complying with him. Especially as he gets progressively drunker. But as a soft. I am about a confirmable as conformable confirmable gets

Alright brother I’ll take your word for it. But mark my words if you end up claiming and I don’t feel you are actually confirmable and you exaggerated that shit ima lynch you without impunity. If your like a messenger or some bullshit your getting lynched lol

UNVOTE

When I claim and if you think im scum. I think its largely a you problem. Unless you assume some high level bastard modding

Mikal wrote:

Asking wf if I can share the angleshoot reasons.

But right now

Potentially thoth luna

Or thoth magic

I think there is an active scum posting between the people online.

So that's luna magic or Anna

Why would people actively posting at this exact moment in time be scum lol?

Theres gonna be people posting in the afternoon when I’m asleep too.

Asking if I can share why im case ge actually does mod kill me

He just said I cant

Just will say. There is an undisclosed reason I have sus on someone who is engaging in the game now

And its more likley you or magic

Saying that for future reference because if its a scum thoth. Its very relevant.

Taking a quick shower brb

If it helps. I nailed scum to a cross with this in a prior game

Mikal wrote:

Asking wf if I can share the angleshoot reasons.

But right now

Potentially thoth luna

Or thoth magic

I think there is an active scum posting between the people online.

So that's luna magic or Anna

I chose Thoth for the RVS specifically for the reason that he slips frequently as scum. As him teammate I am not RVSing him there, I would be telling him to keep his mouth shut early on rather than pressuring him. Instead I tested him, and immediately found something scummy.

Yes giving the reason for Himmel maybe being vanilla was a misplay on my part, but it was my honest analysis of his claim. Keep in mind that I still doubt the claim because of the lack of justification. I can understand your reasoning on me here, but it omits the bigger picture.

Also, if I coached Thoth’s claim, he is not going to give it without a justification. I am going to have one ready for him and I am going to make sure he gives it in his full claim.

If you think I’m distancing/bussing Thoth, then by all means, let me do so lol

Want to think on it more. But I dont buy himmel as vanilla. It's just weird.

And yeah its mod psych but I think you or Luna could have informed it.

Tbf I think if the angleshooting is correct. Its way more likley luna than you and hate my brain is forming an opinion off this

But not sure if I am going to get away from thoth with that claim. Your analysis is largely correct though about himmel

Mag1cman wrote:

This is lame. Is there anyone in here who posts a lot less as scum, that any of y'all have observed?

Based on what I remember, Mago posts more as town than scum

Mag1cman wrote:

Get ready for some…PIE

Little bit too defensive this early on Thoth. Luna thinks he’s Goku when he’s more like Piccolo. Mikal hasn’t been mod killed. Mharman feels meh. REF is a misogynist. I love mafia

Lol bro is extra gleeful today. Did the girlfriend become the fiancée or something?

Nah, I’m just happy I fooled my boss with something lol

Mag1cman wrote:

After we get a claim from Thoth, we should also get a claim from one of the inactive 4 I mentioned.

Eh it really depends on Thoth’s claim. If it’s shitty, we should just lynch him.

Lunatic wrote:

I’m getting great vibes from mharman early, almost willing to accept him as town for now.

+1

Mag1cman wrote:

Mikal wrote:

Just got back from hanging out with family but doesn't look like i missed to much

Initial gut check is there is prob 1 scum between rex and Anna

I dislike anas entrance and I hate that I do because im tired of pressuring and killing her. But the random questions to people and how its separated out just seems fake. Like less reads and more about how shes responding to look like shes engaging

I also disliked the initial pressure from rex on to her. Dont think they could be paired as scum

Maybe. I think some of the questions are just of lesser quality. And Pie at least gave his reads when he popped in to ask questions. It is a little scummy. Doesn’t feel like the worst thing in the world, but I see what you mean.

i do wonder if the timing of her entrance has anything to do with me saying we should get a claim from one of the inactives. Eh. Tbh this is also the moment when I would’ve expected her to enter the thread as either affiliation.

I think women are just more socially aware in general. We’re just bozos. I think there’s a decent argument that Mikal is making, but it’s rather NAI here. As scum she didn’t “look back” in solo leveling. Just posted her reads. And the previous game as town, idt she looked back either and she was town

Thoth wrote:

I am Himmel - Vanilla

So preliminary Google, Himmel feels like a main character. Wouldn’t expect Vanilla for a MC.

Man I am get Game Show Mafia vibes here

ILikePie5 wrote:

Man I am get Game Show Mafia vibes here

As in?

ILikePie5 wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

Mikal wrote:

Just got back from hanging out with family but doesn't look like i missed to much

Initial gut check is there is prob 1 scum between rex and Anna

I dislike anas entrance and I hate that I do because im tired of pressuring and killing her. But the random questions to people and how its separated out just seems fake. Like less reads and more about how shes responding to look like shes engaging

I also disliked the initial pressure from rex on to her. Dont think they could be paired as scum

Maybe. I think some of the questions are just of lesser quality. And Pie at least gave his reads when he popped in to ask questions. It is a little scummy. Doesn’t feel like the worst thing in the world, but I see what you mean.

i do wonder if the timing of her entrance has anything to do with me saying we should get a claim from one of the inactives. Eh. Tbh this is also the moment when I would’ve expected her to enter the thread as either affiliation.

I think women are just more socially aware in general. We’re just bozos. I think there’s a decent argument that Mikal is making, but it’s rather NAI here. As scum she didn’t “look back” in solo leveling. Just posted her reads. And the previous game as town, idt she looked back either and she was town

Tbh I'm starting to town read her a little