Periodic Table of Elements Mafia - DP1

Casey_Risk wrote:

Checking in, meant to be here earlier but my sleep is fucked right now. I think it might have something to do with the weather, idk, but I just haven't been getting much sleep lately. Which is a problem for me in this game. Will catch up on my break.

Feel that. My sleep has been so bad lately.

RexFavilla wrote:

Tbh I don't get the Mago wagon.

He should be at most null based on the activity he has provided. Town or scum leaning him on activity is blowing my mind right now, he has been active as both affiliations. He has had stuff come up in his real life from time to time that has caused him inactivity, but I don't think it has anything to do with his AI behavior. I think he is far easier to figure out as scum or town just based on actual behavior, I just don't think we've seen enough from him yet to form a conclusion either way.

ILikePie5 wrote:

Attention:

Kohai is the Innocent Child. He is Town.

Good to know.

Helz wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

Hmmm, Kohai is being retarded might be up for killing him. Helz also strikes me as a bit scummy right now.

Can you be more specific? With current hindsight you were just shoving the now host confirmed IC and I know I am town but both had very vague reasoning.

Why should Kohai (or anyone else) clearly read you as town this early?

What about what I am doing is any sort of scummy?

I stg you keep saying all the shit I am thinking in my head before I can post it. GET OUT OF MY HEAD WIZARD.

Can you be more specific? With current hindsight you were just shoving the now host confirmed IC and I know I am town but both had very vague reasoning.

Just a vibe. You asking this is also kinda scummy ngl

Nah its a good fucking questions, and "just a vibe" is a bad fucking answer lol

Want to hear more from Connor and others.

Chill with the name drops lol

Rex also gives me town vibes. Playing kinda retarded and not reserved.

There's no actual way you town read rex wtf

VTL: RexFavilla

For the push on the modconfirmed town + lecturing him for confirming himself, potentially hinting at scum being irked by this move and letting the frustration seep into his posts. Also his response to Helz very valid questions are dismissive, over-confident, and not very comforting. I see nothing he has done so far to town read him. I just don't like this slot atm.

Also willing to looking into mikal, I just dont get his town read on both rex and mago. Could just be bad takes which mikal is definitely capable of having sometimes, but I don't like that I can't get into the same head space as mikal. It is early game, and we tend to scum read each other a bit until something sticks out about the others play style that more or less confirms them town, so maybe something about mikal will show up but I have yet to see it.

Not a fan of magics take on Mago either, but he has defended his logic enough about it where I can at least see a world where he thinks activity is AI for Mago even if it isn't. He hasn't been privy to being in every mago game, so I am assuming he is only going off the couple he's played with him. Still, it does feel like a pretty weak reason to town read him when I feel that Mago hasn't erally stood out at all so far.

I would like to hear mroe from banana and shining, shinings few reads weren't anything to call home about but I don't immediately scum read them either. Just need to see more with him. Banana is completely null.

Kohai wrote:

Casey_Risk wrote:

Thoth wrote:

I don’t think speculating about theme splits will be productive until we see at least one flip, maybe more than one. There are too many plausible ones.

I agree fwiw, theme split analysis without at least one flip rarely, if ever, benefits the town

Perhaos we could claim if we are a metal or a gas

I claim that I am a metal in the astronomical sense.

Mikal wrote:

I also dislike bullish but that's just because of low effort. He usually seems more engaged as town from what I remember but he is also always busy

Town lock

Myself

Kohai

Town lean atm

Wf

Mag

Skep

Odd / scum

Bullish

Thoth

Neutral

Helz

Shining

Im sure im missing people but that's the ones that have stuck out to me in some way

Bullish wasn’t very active last game. Mag1cman was trying to pretend to be Bullish so he coukd get away with being less active. So I assume this lack of activity is NAI for Bullish

Magoroth wrote:

I claim that I am a metal in the astronomical sense.

Mercury?

Thoth wrote:

Magoroth wrote:

I claim that I am a metal in the astronomical sense.

Mercury?

No. Astronomers call all elements heavier than hydrogen and helium metals.

Until we know if anti claim functions exist I suggest we slow down on throwing around information about claims.

About as far as I am willing to edge on the subject.

I wanna make something happen. Maybe I should claim something bonkers to spice things up.

@RexFavilla are you scum?

My reads at this point are a town lean on Whiteflame’s post, the one thay everyone picked up on, and null on everyone else.

Helz wrote:

Until we know if anti claim functions exist I suggest we slow down on throwing around information about claims.

About as far as I am willing to edge on the subject.

I feel like Thoth’s role is, in itself, an anti-claim mechanic of some sort. Maybe.

I wanna make something happen. Maybe I should claim something bonkers to spice things up.

If you were going to do this why announce to the world you are gonna do it instead of just do it? When you did this in the pitt it was obvious, but you at least tried to pretend you were doing being discreet lol

Lunatic wrote:

I wanna make something happen. Maybe I should claim something bonkers to spice things up.

If you were going to do this why announce to the world you are gonna do it instead of just do it? When you did this in the pitt it was obvious, but you at least tried to pretend you were doing being discreet lol

Yup. This is why I should not be given any private information. If I had the knowledge that X was Town or some such, I would likely start talking about it out of an inability to shut up.

Magoroth wrote:

Lunatic wrote:

I wanna make something happen. Maybe I should claim something bonkers to spice things up.

If you were going to do this why announce to the world you are gonna do it instead of just do it? When you did this in the pitt it was obvious, but you at least tried to pretend you were doing being discreet lol

Yup. This is why I should not be given any private information. If I had the knowledge that X was Town or some such, I would likely start talking about it out of an inability to shut up.

Well that's not really my point. But okay.

Anyways, going through your ISO the only hint of a scum read I have found that you have on anyone (not counting your RVS on magic) is kohai in post 42.

Everything else has been kind of a center of the lane stance, short form answer, not really pointing any sort of direction. I have to say, this doesn't seem like town magoroth here.

Other than town leaning WF, Who are your scum reads and why?

Lunatic wrote:

Magoroth wrote:

Lunatic wrote:

I wanna make something happen. Maybe I should claim something bonkers to spice things up.

If you were going to do this why announce to the world you are gonna do it instead of just do it? When you did this in the pitt it was obvious, but you at least tried to pretend you were doing being discreet lol

Yup. This is why I should not be given any private information. If I had the knowledge that X was Town or some such, I would likely start talking about it out of an inability to shut up.

Well that's not really my point. But okay.

Anyways, going through your ISO the only hint of a scum read I have found that you have on anyone (not counting your RVS on magic) is kohai in post 42.

Everything else has been kind of a center of the lane stance, short form answer, not really pointing any sort of direction. I have to say, this doesn't seem like town magoroth here.

Other than town leaning WF, Who are your scum reads and why?

No, I see your point. At least I think you do. Your point is that it was stupid of me to say it if I wanted to do it, right? I agree. I felt like saying it and did, irrespective of that though.

I do not really have any scumreads. I sort of agree on the point people seem to be making against Rex, and I’m getting some bad vibes from Casey, but I don’t really “scumread” anyone. I haven’t devoted any actual brainpower to reading this that resulted in a scumread on my part; maybe some unease over Rex’s comments at the start of the game, but, no, I don’t have any real scumreads. The reason I mentioned Rex/Mag1c is because I do kind of want to have scumreads, but at the same time I also don’t want to put too much value on these two because it could easily turn out I was wrong as I’m just kinda going along with what other people are saying. Does that make sense?

So like, I could say I scumread Rex and definitely wouldn’t mind more votes there for pressure, but these aren’t my personal thoughts on the matter and on my end, I don’t actually get any vibes from them so I don’t want to pretend like I’m reading them a certain way, because that would be wrong. I am sorry that I cannot explain this any better, I hope what I am trying to argue is being carried across sufficiently well

I am actually noticing a lot of similarities to debate craft mafia mago doing an ISO here. The posting style, short form answers, not many strong stances, etc.

Do an Iso of Ruyi zhuan. Tons of bigger posts, paragraphs, spacing, passionate reads, more votes etc. Iso him from the pitt same thing.

Ruyi Zhuan dp1: Mago votes shining, to wryly, to thoth, to wryly again, to shining again, to iLikePie5, to Thoth again, to Mikal, to Lunatic. A total of nine vote changes dp1.

The pitt dp1: Mago switched his vote from Vader, to Alyssa, to Wylted, to Thoth, to Rex, back to wylted, to shining, to alyssa again, to shining, back to rex. He changed his vote 10 times the whole day phase 1 of the pitt.

Lets look at his scum games.

Debatecraft mafia DP2: He slept through all of dp1 which ended very fast so we can just count this as dp1. He votes a total of two times, between pie and rex.

MAGA mafia Dp1: Total of three votes betweem whiteflame, pie and rex.

We wont count Frieren against him because he was juts inactive and unavailable. I can also give some small grace on MAGA mafia since it seemed similar but not nearly as bad. Either way I am noticing a pattern here. Mago seems to be more of a hyper poster, and voter as town, and is constantly paranoid and shifting his votes. He seems far more conservative with his votes as scum.

I am not suggesting he is outright scum yet, and I realize we are still early in the day phase, but its not rubbing me right that his only vote so far has been an RVS vote on magic, and he hasn't really tried a whole lot of scum hunting.

ATTENTION

Good morning. Jfyi I will be on a plane for most of the day so there will be a delay in answering any questions

Lunatic wrote:

I am actually noticing a lot of similarities to debate craft mafia mago doing an ISO here. The posting style, short form answers, not many strong stances, etc.

Do an Iso of Ruyi zhuan. Tons of bigger posts, paragraphs, spacing, passionate reads, more votes etc. Iso him from the pitt same thing.

Ruyi Zhuan dp1: Mago votes shining, to wryly, to thoth, to wryly again, to shining again, to iLikePie5, to Thoth again, to Mikal, to Lunatic. A total of nine vote changes dp1.

The pitt dp1: Mago switched his vote from Vader, to Alyssa, to Wylted, to Thoth, to Rex, back to wylted, to shining, to alyssa again, to shining, back to rex. He changed his vote 10 times the whole day phase 1 of the pitt.

Lets look at his scum games.

Debatecraft mafia DP2: He slept through all of dp1 which ended very fast so we can just count this as dp1. He votes a total of two times, between pie and rex.

MAGA mafia Dp1: Total of three votes betweem whiteflame, pie and rex.

We wont count Frieren against him because he was juts inactive and unavailable. I can also give some small grace on MAGA mafia since it seemed similar but not nearly as bad. Either way I am noticing a pattern here. Mago seems to be more of a hyper poster, and voter as town, and is constantly paranoid and shifting his votes. He seems far more conservative with his votes as scum.

I am not suggesting he is outright scum yet, and I realize we are still early in the day phase, but its not rubbing me right that his only vote so far has been an RVS vote on magic, and he hasn't really tried a whole lot of scum hunting.

I suppose I should state I am trying something different this time. I noticed from arguing with people on the server and in other places that I tend to skim over people’s messages and often misunderstand what the other person is trying to say. So now I am just being careful and trying to read everything everyone has said before I derive a conclusion. Where I do not, I refrain from making a decision. Is that smart? Perhaps not, but I do not wish to pull conclusions out of thin air out of a fear of being wrong.

I need more from Shining, and Banana. Shining has posted just once.

I initially had the wild idea that something mentioned in this theead was disxussed in scum chat. I believe by Mag1cman or Kohai? Moot point because Kohai is confirmes Town.

That being said, if I had to hazard a guess, Helz’s behaviour is NAI. I am familiar with his scum meta and he’s a very strong scum. So his behaviour here is Towny on the surface, but I wouldn’t put much faith in that. Null. Possibly neutral vibes because he is givinf me the vibe of keeping his cards close to his chest, something I would sooner see from a third party or a town player, not Mafia. Or Cult or whatnot. It’s a bit of a reach but that’s what I can say about him.

Rex has the usual problem of not really offering much in the way of contenr. I think in the game where he claimed Bodyguard as scum he had stronger stances? I don’t really remember but that’s just off the top of my head.

Maybe Mikal pointing out the innocent child thing is scummy? On one hand why would a Town do this? On the other hand saying this openly as scum seems more like the type of mistake a novice or disinhibited acum player would make, and Mikal doesn’r strike me as either of these things.

Some thing I usually regard as a scum tell is strong stances on a player very early into the game. Scum have this aura of fake confidence because they don’t have to hunt and can just make up shit because they already know stuff. I think Mag1cman, Mikal are guilty of this. Not sure about Rex.

I think Thoth’s claim is kinda towny? I won’t say it feels like a weird lie to make up because I have lied much more crazily as scum, like claiming Miller Cop that could self-Lawyer as Town. So I don’t think in itself is Townie, but my gut doesn’t really think the claim itself is a lie, regardless? Dunno.

So yeah gun to the head if I had to name two scum, maybe Mikal and Mag1cman. Need more from Shining and Banana, total nullreads. Can be an idea to lynch Shining. Always a solid choice to lynch an inactive D1.

Town leans, Whiteflame, Thoth? Maybe Rex? Everyone else seems to be scumreading Rex so I’ll just leave Rex as null for now.

There are certain aspects of Thoth’s role that, if true, I venture should not be discussed.

Some times people are mean to you to gain reactions. Not cus they dislike you lol. But yeah you should have waited to activate given you are implying you can. Saving that for later day phases would have been huge for us

I don't read rex as town. I feel like his scum games. Its less posting and more focused. This game seems trolly and way more lose so far

I'll try to post my thoughts before I sleep. Sympathy to Kohai and his autism, I relate. Magoroth isn't scummy to me, but I been wrong before. I remember Magoroth having a, and no offense meant, difficult personality. So far, its hard to place anyone in a hard town/scum pile besides Kohai for obvious reasons. I also don't fully understand why Mikal is getting shit for the whole Kohai IC thing. IDK. Kohai popping it right away might not be the very best ideal thing to do, but its whatever. We have a conf town, whats not to love?

Mikal wrote:

Some times people are mean to you to gain reactions. Not cus they dislike you lol. But yeah you should have waited to activate given you are implying you can. Saving that for later day phases would have been huge for us

You know, I remember asking Pie about his PGO role, and I remember his having a stroke and him lynching me because it was scummy. I was town, so I wonder if this is the same thing or you might be scum instead.