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wylted wrote:
Pretty obvious she was lie detector given asking people to say their win con. Just keep an eye open for statements that can be lie detected without signalling that next time. Also I don't think Asians being smelly is a real stereotype. And no Indians don't get to claim asian so they can try to trick us into thinking they are slant eyes when news reports come out about their rapey and also their Jew like behavior
TBH that went completely over my head, and agree about the smelly.
I was thinking she and Ultra were scum together and couldn't make sense of her stances last DP. I thought maybe she had lie detected a statement live in the DP like Kohai's 'I win with the town' but Luna said she could only use it as a night action. I really need to go back to the drawing board now.
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wylted wrote:
Pretty obvious she was lie detector given asking people to say their win con. Just keep an eye open for statements that can be lie detected without signalling that next time. Also I don't think Asians being smelly is a real stereotype. And no Indians don't get to claim asian so they can try to trick us into thinking they are slant eyes when news reports come out about their rapey and also their Jew like behavior
Alright, setting theater aside, I can't say I saw this but that makes a good deal of sense. And yeah, surprised by the "Asians are smelly" stereotype showing up here. Can't say I would have pegged that one.
Also... "Jew like behavior"?
Full claim dawg
I didn't get to give any thoughts on the Kohai lynch at the end of the last DP, so I'll give them here.
Much as I had my misgivings with the lynch, I was positioned better than anyone to see how likely a Town Drunk was to be in this game, given my conversations with Luna for the Frieren game. With the inconsistencies in what he said and the case against his role being in the game (Helz in particular made some good points about that), he was a relatively obvious lynch, which is why I was pressing on Ultra to get some indication of his thinking beyond Kohai. Doesn't seem like we got that and it's going to be difficult to get any kind of read based on who was on Kohai's wagon. Couple that with the loss of our Lie Detector and, yeah, not the greatest position to be in to start off DP2. We did at least get some readlists from Kohai, which I largely agreed with coming into the NP.
So I'm looking for more from Ultra in particular to start off the DP. I agreed with Helz's point last DP that your posts were low on content and gave little insight into how you were thinking. We've got plenty of time to fix that this DP.
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wylted wrote:
Pretty obvious she was lie detector given asking people to say their win con. Just keep an eye open for statements that can be lie detected without signalling that next time. Also I don't think Asians being smelly is a real stereotype. And no Indians don't get to claim asian so they can try to trick us into thinking they are slant eyes when news reports come out about their rapey and also their Jew like behavior
Unfortunately. Scum had to have noticed for them to be the kill. Otherwise the people that do not think that Kohai was tailored would be on Banana today
We need to get a claim from Wylted. All of DP1 from that slot was a waste.
On that subject I call absolute bullshit to that role card and Kohai flipping innocent. I feel that is pretty obvious but would like to hear others thoughts before I unpack why.
That means to me that there is a split in flavor as the mechanic thats a lie.
ILikePie5 wrote:
We need to get a claim from Wylted. All of DP1 from that slot was a waste.
I am highly suspicious of them as well. Their activity in the limited time they were in the game pinged me quite a bit and their interactions specifically with Kohai looked like a mix of theater and bussing.
Also of note Kohai chronically scum reads their partners. I noticed it as a very very strong pattern when I wolfed with them last game. So their EoD push was:
Meye poe is: Wilyed (casey), Mag (me0w), Meekal, Rex and ultr@
I am going to suspect the other 2 wolves are in there.
I am wondering if I should read into why Wilyed/Casey and Mag/Me0w have the original and replacement accounts reversed. Maybe a bit of a reach but could reflect T/W between the two.
Helz wrote:
On that subject I call absolute bullshit to that role card and Kohai flipping innocent. I feel that is pretty obvious but would like to hear others thoughts before I unpack why.
That means to me that there is a split in flavor as the mechanic thats a lie.
So... explain this to me. Are you saying that the Tailor was used during DP1? Because he flipped innocent during the DP. Yeah, we got his flip today, but Luna straight up said he was innocent last DP. I've played in games where Luna has used a Tailor before - hell, I've been that Tailor - and having one where the Tailor is used during the DP, the mod outright confirms he was innocent, and flip also confirms it is hard to believe.
Yes. That is my thought process. I am pretty far down that rabbit hole and would like to hear what others think prior to me explaining what I am looking at.
I am also still of the opinion Ultra needs to give actual content. They basically showed up and rambled about how they have posted more times than other people before disappearing.
Well, I've got a bunch of reasons I disagree.
To start, that's not how Luna has ever employed the Tailor role before. Every time he has used it in the past, it's been a night phase only role and, effectively, just changes the resulting flip for either the lynch or the NK target. And he's gotten a lot of crap for even that, since a number of people have seen the role as bastard and it's been used almost by itself to win games. I can't see him further empowering it.
I also think it's extremely unlikely that the role would come with any kind of mod confirmation. Having the mod straight up say "He was innocent!" is another step into bastard territory and one further than I've ever seen anyone take on this site or DART. It's one thing to allow changes to the flip, it's another to outright confirm that alignment is accurate as a mod.
To a lesser degree, I also think the choice of Banana as the NK also pushes back against this. I wouldn't be surprised if scum surmised that she was the Lie Detector, but she was also clearly arguing that this would be the result: an innocent Kohai flip. I can't see scum killing her when she'd obviously be entering this DP supporting the Tailored flip.
whiteflame wrote:
Helz wrote:
On that subject I call absolute bullshit to that role card and Kohai flipping innocent. I feel that is pretty obvious but would like to hear others thoughts before I unpack why.
That means to me that there is a split in flavor as the mechanic thats a lie.
So... explain this to me. Are you saying that the Tailor was used during DP1? Because he flipped innocent during the DP. Yeah, we got his flip today, but Luna straight up said he was innocent last DP. I've played in games where Luna has used a Tailor before - hell, I've been that Tailor - and having one where the Tailor is used during the DP, the mod outright confirms he was innocent, and flip also confirms it is hard to believe.
I asked Luna last night if he would ever implement a Tailor whose power could influence the EOD alignment flip, but naturally he would not answer.
I can't believe Kohai was innocent. Where did the number three pop into his head from? Why tf did he change his story? It's like he was trying to get lynched.
Someone explain to me why were making Wylted full claim
Wryly wrote:
I asked Luna last night if he would ever implement a Tailor whose power could influence the EOD alignment flip, but naturally he would not answer.
Yeah, I can't imagine he'd answer that. The most I can say in support of the possibility is that Luna has also never given away the existence of a Tailor in the OP. If he had included a Tailor that could do this, the least he could do is reveal that a Tailor exists in game, though there's obviously some uncertainty there.
I can't believe Kohai was innocent. Where did the number three pop into his head from? Why tf did he change his story? It's like he was trying to get lynched.
I won't pretend to know. Like I said, I don't blame anyone for pursuing his lynch, I basically acceded to it myself. Too many red flags.
Obviously their activity would seem weird they were only there for the last three pages. I don't want to pursue a claim
Ultracrepidarian wrote:
Obviously their activity would seem weird they were only there for the last three pages. I don't want to pursue a claim
Its you or him, take your pick
RexFavilla wrote:
wylted wrote:
Pretty obvious she was lie detector given asking people to say their win con. Just keep an eye open for statements that can be lie detected without signalling that next time. Also I don't think Asians being smelly is a real stereotype. And no Indians don't get to claim asian so they can try to trick us into thinking they are slant eyes when news reports come out about their rapey and also their Jew like behavior
TBH that went completely over my head, and agree about the smelly.
I was thinking she and Ultra were scum together and couldn't make sense of her stances last DP. I thought maybe she had lie detected a statement live in the DP like Kohai's 'I win with the town' but Luna said she could only use it as a night action. I really need to go back to the drawing board now.
So, I’ll ask the question. What did you do last night?
Helz wrote:
On that subject I call absolute bullshit to that role card and Kohai flipping innocent. I feel that is pretty obvious but would like to hear others thoughts before I unpack why.
That means to me that there is a split in flavor as the mechanic thats a lie.
What makes it “obvious” to you?
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ILikePie5 wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
wylted wrote:
Pretty obvious she was lie detector given asking people to say their win con. Just keep an eye open for statements that can be lie detected without signalling that next time. Also I don't think Asians being smelly is a real stereotype. And no Indians don't get to claim asian so they can try to trick us into thinking they are slant eyes when news reports come out about their rapey and also their Jew like behavior
TBH that went completely over my head, and agree about the smelly.
I was thinking she and Ultra were scum together and couldn't make sense of her stances last DP. I thought maybe she had lie detected a statement live in the DP like Kohai's 'I win with the town' but Luna said she could only use it as a night action. I really need to go back to the drawing board now.
So, I’ll ask the question. What did you do last night?
Nothing.
Ultracrepidarian wrote:
Someone explain to me why were making Wylted full claim
Yeah I agree, forcing someone to claim just because they replaced into an AWOL slot doesn't make any sense.
In light of the flip and the NK, who do you think are scum now?
Wryly wrote:
I can't believe Kohai was innocent. Where did the number three pop into his head from? Why tf did he change his story? It's like he was trying to get lynched.
Yeah, I actually got paranoid he was a jester at the end. WTF was that. Sure, it's a terrible role to be given but he put shit sprinkles on top of a shit sundae.