Stereotype Mafia DP2

Helz wrote:

I will also say though- What possible benefit would there be to a wolf going wayyy against the norm pushing that there is a tailor potential? I feel I presented some pretty sound logic and I really just do not believe that if they were town they would have played like that. Unless someone just wants to explain thats how they can be I am pretty stuck on it and find the potential of a tailor more likely than the potential of them doing all that as town.

Why is it not just possible he was town Helz? Sell it to me.

If it can't get to why you believe he was suited scum I have to assume we just won't agree or you have TMI about his alignment. I guess I can re-read his D1 but this is a stretch imo.

MeowMix wrote:

Helz wrote:

I will also say though- What possible benefit would there be to a wolf going wayyy against the norm pushing that there is a tailor potential? I feel I presented some pretty sound logic and I really just do not believe that if they were town they would have played like that. Unless someone just wants to explain thats how they can be I am pretty stuck on it and find the potential of a tailor more likely than the potential of them doing all that as town.

Why is it not just possible he was town Helz? Sell it to me.

This was rhetorical. I don't think we're gonna see eye to eye on it anyway.

wylted wrote:

Why was ultra so excited to role claim today? And character claim. Almost like he was antsy to do it with no prodding to do so and under no pressure?

lol I just checked his wagon was only 2/7 but maybe he's worried he'll get dog piled when he's afk.

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Ultracrepidarian (1/6): Mikal (p#50)

Helz (1/6): ILikePie5 (p#62)

Wryly (1/6): MeowMix (p#80)

Not Voting (7): Helz, RexFavilla, Thoth, Ultracrepidarian, whiteflame (p#60), Wryly, wylted

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day phase ends in 2 days, 16 hours.

Speaking of afk, where the heck did everyone go?

wylted wrote:

Somebody asked you for your justification earlier and I don't remember you answering. What's going on?

Actually I was just rereading, seems like the justification to claim was because they didn't want you to claim.

whiteflame wrote:

Helz wrote:

On that subject I call absolute bullshit to that role card and Kohai flipping innocent. I feel that is pretty obvious but would like to hear others thoughts before I unpack why.

That means to me that there is a split in flavor as the mechanic thats a lie.

So... explain this to me. Are you saying that the Tailor was used during DP1? Because he flipped innocent during the DP. Yeah, we got his flip today, but Luna straight up said he was innocent last DP. I've played in games where Luna has used a Tailor before - hell, I've been that Tailor - and having one where the Tailor is used during the DP, the mod outright confirms he was innocent, and flip also confirms it is hard to believe.

Ya that’s the problem. Luna refuses to answer if the flip last DP1 is possible to be Tailored

Ultracrepidarian wrote:

Because I don't want wylted to claim and I seem to be the other option, I'll go. I'm vanilla.

We didn't need all of these fancy abilities to catch the mafia back in my day, we just pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps and applied a little elbow grease

@Wylted

Well, that was a spectacular mislynch on my part, but it's not like I was the only one who couldn't believe it.

How y'all doin'?

Don't know why we would think a tailor could not alter a flip. Wf and I literally tailored a town to yazkua in the last game luna had one.

Or maybe our scum mate died and we turned him yazkua. I forget but a tailor writes the pm and flip results

MeowMix wrote:

Helz wrote:

I will also say though- What possible benefit would there be to a wolf going wayyy against the norm pushing that there is a tailor potential? I feel I presented some pretty sound logic and I really just do not believe that if they were town they would have played like that. Unless someone just wants to explain thats how they can be I am pretty stuck on it and find the potential of a tailor more likely than the potential of them doing all that as town.

Why is it not just possible he was town Helz? Sell it to me.

Im not trying to sell that its not possible. I have simply said I am convinced enough that its more likely for a tailor function than them being town to me. I have never said that its utterly impossible and I am not going to argue that point

MeowMix wrote:

If it can't get to why you believe he was suited scum I have to assume we just won't agree or you have TMI about his alignment. I guess I can re-read his D1 but this is a stretch imo.

I pretty much gave a wall explaining. Also have a massive amounts of posts from yesterday you can go through if you would like to understand why I think what I think. I have been very open on my thoughts on them the entire game.

I asked Luna questions about the Tailor in the previous DP, and he said I can refer to Tailors in previous games and his modding style would be similar.

It doesn’t make sense to be able to change Inno/Guilty when the person was lynched. And Helz spreading this idea is really just causing more chaos which honestly is fueling my scumread on them

Starting to feel like MeowMix is trying to throw shade >.>

Helz wrote:

Starting to feel like MeowMix is trying to throw shade >.>

Do you know them personally?

ILikePie5 wrote:

I asked Luna questions about the Tailor in the previous DP, and he said I can refer to Tailors in previous games and his modding style would be similar.

It doesn’t make sense to be able to change Inno/Guilty when the person was lynched. And Helz spreading this idea is really just causing more chaos which honestly is fueling my scumread on them

I gave my thoughts and asked for other peoples thoughts on the manner. Figured it was an important potential to talk about.

Feel free to kick up your own line of conversation if you feel this is unproductive.

ILikePie5 wrote:

Helz wrote:

Starting to feel like MeowMix is trying to throw shade >.>

Do you know them personally?

Im not sure. Its possible. For me to say more would bring in some OOG conversations I will not go into.

I suppose I can say I poked some people that this game needed a replacement and its a site I am interested in getting more into that they may enjoy. I do not know anyone by that name so if I do know them they are smurfing.

Duno how many other people Luna or others talked to but I will say the people I spoke with are all pretty solid players.

I'm just too fried to do this today. My head's not there. I'll check in later.

Again can objectively confirm kohai is town given what pie said. A tailor allows you to post a flip. It only benefits mafia if the inno or guilty is not known. Kohai flipped inno. So if mafia wrote a flip it could say they win with mafia which would negate the point of the inno flip. You cannot modify a lynch result. You can modify a role flip and say they win with mafia.

Kohai is 1000000 percent town and dumb lol

Apparently I was just really stuck in that tunnel. Is what it is.

I will have to re-think Wylted then. Also means their PoE is a valid consideration with it coming from a flipped town.

I’ve said my piece about the probability that Luna included this in his game and I still believe it’s close to touching 0%. Taking a mechanic that is already controversial, adding a day use, and affecting the mod-confirmed flip are just too much for me to buy. I can’t see a world where Luna does this and then just covers his ass with a “I told you I included a Tailor in the game mechanics list.” Even if we knew for certain there was a Tailor in the mix, I think this would be a bridge too far.

Couple that with my already established reasons for buying that Luna would include a Town Drunk from last DP and the scum elimination of Banana (who was the main voice against this lynch), and I just can’t see it. Is this mostly modpsych? Yes, but I feel I know Luna well enough to know if he’d take this big a swing and I can’t see it.

As for Helz pushing this narrative, at minimum, he has explained it extensively. Not sure if I buy him as scum over it, mainly because I can see his whole thought process and it doesn’t swing towards scummy.

Who's your target today. I feel like you are going this shit you do when you are scum and fluff post, defend things and dont take hard stances.

Tbh I would not mind a claim from you if you are willing. Just character.

Mikal wrote:

Who's your target today. I feel like you are going this shit you do when you are scum and fluff post, defend things and dont take hard stances.

Tbh I would not mind a claim from you if you are willing. Just character.

Figure my character is obvious, but I’ll give a character claim if enough people want it clarified.

As for who my target is, I’ll confess I don’t have one. I’ve got a light sus on Ultra for reasons I’ve already covered. He’ll be my target if I don’t get more insight into his thinking, but he’s full claimed so I’m setting him aside for now. Apart from him, I’m mainly trying to get a bead on MeowMix, you, Wylted and Thoth. I gave extensive reads last DP, but I’ll need to reconsider them.

I dislike softs. I have ideas of what you could be but would rather tie you to it so you dont back pedal. Ultra also seems an easy pick.

I would rather move pass you in my head but you are doing this thing where you are very non committal and hedging a lot of what you say.

I mean softs are useful. But framing them in a certain ways allows you to forge claims to fit what you said. They are very easy to mold claims too. While they limit claims. Its def coverage if you dont tie people down