I mean, seems like a very flatly reasonable statement.
Town loosing a non-power role matters about as much as a sneeze but loosing a town aligned player puts us at MYLO
I mean, seems like a very flatly reasonable statement.
Town loosing a non-power role matters about as much as a sneeze but loosing a town aligned player puts us at MYLO
I truly hope Rex is gona pop in with reads and reasoning that they have been working up for a while.
Automated Vote Count
This vote count was generated by the mafia vote bot.
Helz (3/6): ILikePie5 (p#62), Mikal (p#131), Ultracrepidarian (p#143)
wylted (1/6): MeowMix (p#216)
Not Voting (6): Helz, RexFavilla, Thoth, whiteflame (p#60), Wryly, wylted
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 day, 11 hours.
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
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Sorry guys, been swamped at work. I disagree with Mikal. I think Wryly’s post reads as if she’s either TP if one exists or Town. As scum, saying 5-3-1 just doesn’t make sense.
I feel Mikal is town just based on his play DP and the fact that he pseudo-CCed Banana’s justification. Doesn’t make sense for scum Mikal to kill Banana.
I think REF brings up a good point about the Lie Detector and scum probably realizing the ramifications of that. Going to Tilt Town on him even more now.
I’m slowly not starting to like WF now. I just feel he would be more active and driving, esp if I’m not doing that. Just feels odd
Would a T! Pie give credit for such a position? Yeah. No fucking shit thats why they were killed.
I've been spending a lot of the day reading and voting on debates that I've been asked to cover, so I just haven't had time to really dig into things as much as I'd like. Take that however you want, but I've got a backlog of these things to get through and I keep getting more thrown at me. I'll try to post some thoughts before I call it tonight.
I really think we should get the lurking players to give reads with reasoning as much as we can today. Anything else is fluff. I do not want a good take from them or a claim from them. I want reads with reasoning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMtf_ouMTHw&list=RDZMtf_ouMTHw
Helz wrote:
I really think we should get the lurking players to give reads with reasoning as much as we can today. Anything else is fluff. I do not want a good take from them or a claim from them. I want reads with reasoning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMtf_ouMTHw&list=RDZMtf_ouMTHw
I swear you’re like never going to understand. You’re never going to “force” these people do do anything. They’ll happily lurk and not do anything. It’s literally Shining’s MO. We unfortunately cannot lynch every single inactive, otherwise I would’ve by now. Claims are the next best thing.
At this rate I will either be dead or going full on unhinged try hard town on D3.
We are not exactly generating useful content to look at individuals. We keep getting into specific situational focus.
We NEED to target the low information individuals and give hard positions and reasoning so the town has a chance. If we fuck up this elimination thats the only path forward. Not "Oh this person should die" but "These are the reads and positions of all these people"
Like look at Thoth, completely MIA.
Helz wrote:
At this rate I will either be dead or going full on unhinged try hard town on D3.
We are not exactly generating useful content to look at individuals. We keep getting into specific situational focus.
We NEED to target the low information individuals and give hard positions and reasoning so the town has a chance. If we fuck up this elimination thats the only path forward. Not "Oh this person should die" but "These are the reads and positions of all these people"
Which inactive do you want to focus on. We need to start piling votes.
ILikePie5 wrote:
Helz wrote:
I really think we should get the lurking players to give reads with reasoning as much as we can today. Anything else is fluff. I do not want a good take from them or a claim from them. I want reads with reasoning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMtf_ouMTHw&list=RDZMtf_ouMTHw
I swear you’re like never going to understand. You’re never going to “force” these people do do anything. They’ll happily lurk and not do anything. It’s literally Shining’s MO. We unfortunately cannot lynch every single inactive, otherwise I would’ve by now. Claims are the next best thing.
But we can just try. A tiny bit to push them to give reads with reasoning. Its the fucking bare minimum to ask playing a mafia game.
Hell, if your not gona do that why even play?
Still wary of Helz but feel a bit better. Meow has some fluff flags and I don’t think they’ve really be scum hunting but I’ve only skimmed so
I feel worse about Ultra cause he’s now completely MIA after claiming. I’m also inclined to believe the partners showed up among the replacements and told him to claim Vanilla. Otherwise, why wait so long. Could’ve just claimed it last DP when he had a wagon on him. Lynching him doesn’t help us read anyone else, but it could at the worst reduce the ability of scum to claim Vanilla
ILikePie5 wrote:
Helz wrote:
At this rate I will either be dead or going full on unhinged try hard town on D3.
We are not exactly generating useful content to look at individuals. We keep getting into specific situational focus.
We NEED to target the low information individuals and give hard positions and reasoning so the town has a chance. If we fuck up this elimination thats the only path forward. Not "Oh this person should die" but "These are the reads and positions of all these people"
Which inactive do you want to focus on. We need to start piling votes.
I could truly give a shit about votes right now. I want information. And if half the lobby has to be under the gun to give reads that sucks. Maybe I am kinda crashing out right now for no reason but this feels like a scum sided setup where we had a weird fucked off D1 and are dealing with a whole pack of lurkers.
I would rather VTNL if this is how this day is gona go given it does buy town another day if we are just gona sit around and make vague points
Wryly wrote:
ILikePie5 wrote:
The best way to catch Wylted as scum is to force him to claim. He’s horrible at claiming. If his claim is somewhat good, he’s either town or has really good support
If he's scum all he has to do is think up a plausible role to go with his actual character though.
Hes bad at that lol, trust me. Seen it like 3/4 separate times
Helz wrote:
ILikePie5 wrote:
Helz wrote:
At this rate I will either be dead or going full on unhinged try hard town on D3.
We are not exactly generating useful content to look at individuals. We keep getting into specific situational focus.
We NEED to target the low information individuals and give hard positions and reasoning so the town has a chance. If we fuck up this elimination thats the only path forward. Not "Oh this person should die" but "These are the reads and positions of all these people"
Which inactive do you want to focus on. We need to start piling votes.
I could truly give a shit about votes right now. I want information. And if half the lobby has to be under the gun to give reads that sucks. Maybe I am kinda crashing out right now for no reason but this feels like a scum sided setup where we had a weird fucked off D1 and are dealing with a whole pack of lurkers.
I would rather VTNL if this is how this day is gona go given it does buy town another day if we are just gona sit around and make vague points
Welcome to DCraft. Just believe me that if we get 4 votes on someone, they’ll blab more than the Hanoi Songbird. Who do you want to hear from the most?
Btw. Any of you fucks host and try to give me a role where I am VT and required to talk some way or die I will 100% tell you to go fuck yourself and find a replacement or kill me. That is some bullshit
Ehh. I should probably chill.
But 100% we should push for reads and not just blindly walk off a cliff listening to talking points.
Im totally ok loosing this game killing people that wont play. Thats just me. I am not ok with excusing them.
Let’s do some math: 12 player game and either a 9-3 or 9-2-1 setup.
Right now, we are 7-3 or 7-2-1 at the worse and 8-2 or 8-1-1 at the best
Going to take worst case and work from there which is 7-3. This means a mislynch here and successful NK is MYLO tomorrow, which is 5-3. A blind lynch is a 37.5% chance of finding scum correctly. Nothing to laugh about. Logically the plan tomorrow would be to VTNL to get better odds at 4-3 at 42.8%.
Lynching today is a no brainer, just a matter of who to lynch. I would like to focus on the Kohai llynch. The speed at which is happened, there has to be at least one scum on it.
Helz wrote:
Ehh. I should probably chill.
But 100% we should push for reads and not just blindly walk off a cliff listening to talking points.
Im totally ok loosing this game killing people that wont play. Thats just me. I am not ok with excusing them.
Great, let’s go Thoth. He’s nocturnal, so he should be awake
VTL: Thoth
Let’s pressure Thoth guys
wylted wrote:
VTL: Ultracrepidarian
If you’re a Jew and you know, vote Thoth.
ILikePie5 wrote:
I feel worse about Ultra cause he’s now completely MIA after claiming. I’m also inclined to believe the partners showed up among the replacements and told him to claim Vanilla. Otherwise, why wait so long. Could’ve just claimed it last DP when he had a wagon on him. Lynching him doesn’t help us read anyone else, but it could at the worst reduce the ability of scum to claim Vanilla
The more I've thought about Ultra, the less I've liked. He claimed his character last DP under pressure and though I'll give him some credit for softing a little earlier than that, I can't give him much with the uncertainty over whether there's a theme split. The Vanilla claim definitely didn't help, nor did how late it came and after far less pressure this DP. I don't think he's given any justification yet, he's still extremely short on any reads (calling himself "the most wildly indecisive person imaginable" is a convenient excuse to not give anything this DP), and as you said, he's just kind of vanished.
ILikePie5 wrote:
Let’s pressure Thoth guys
I can at least see a better point to pressuring Thoth, specifically to get a set of reads first and we can go from there. Dude needs to join the conversation, and yet he's spent his posts this DP stating the obvious, fluff-posting and introducing more doubt rather than giving a clear perspective. I don't like that he spent the end of last DP advocating for Kohai to get modkilled, either.
VTL: Thoth
VTL: Thoth
We do absolutely need more here.
I think our way forward is demanding more out of the lurkers. I think town is eating itself and scum are sitting back doing little and throwing out little bits of shade which is why I also pushed Rex as a person I absolutely want reads from.
Like Rex realized the kill on Banana probably had scum recognizing they were the Lie Detector. No fucking shit. Positionally Banana would be sus as hell from the DP1.