Helz wrote:
I understand the post you made and I do intend to read through your iso again. But could you walk me through your thinking on your targeting? The post you referenced did not get me where I want to be understanding your mind.
Do you mean about whiteflame or when I asked Rex what his win con is?
I did once. The scum team was really fucking pissed off about it though given they killed me to get rid of me as a player and not to get rid of my role
MeowMix wrote:
Helz wrote:
I understand the post you made and I do intend to read through your iso again. But could you walk me through your thinking on your targeting? The post you referenced did not get me where I want to be understanding your mind.
Do you mean about whiteflame or when I asked Rex what his win con is?
I mean why you specifically targeted them
Helz wrote:
I did once. The scum team was really fucking pissed off about it though given they killed me to get rid of me as a player and not to get rid of my role
That would be a little cheesy. But then again, policy killing is probably the lamest thing scum can do. Good job to whoever was hosting that.
I’m not putting much on the lie detector kill. I do not think many people did not recognize that coming. I even saw it so clearly I made a hardcore clear emphatic post for them to use if they wanted
Helz wrote:
MeowMix wrote:
Helz wrote:
I understand the post you made and I do intend to read through your iso again. But could you walk me through your thinking on your targeting? The post you referenced did not get me where I want to be understanding your mind.
Do you mean about whiteflame or when I asked Rex what his win con is?
I mean why you specifically targeted them
I was already unsure of Rex's alignment at the time and he stood out with Mikal as the secondary voter on both D1 wagons.
I guess you could float that ultra is scum and they were both protecting him. But that would imply we live in a world of unimaginable laziness and that I basically solved the entire scumteam.
It's much more often just an afk town slot in my experience.
I honestly haven’t even looked at wagonomics this game.
Both eliminations blew my mind. The first one I still can’t believe and the second one with a town self voting just hurt my mafia soul.
(Never self vote as town. Always self pres and counter wagon)
Helz wrote:
I honestly haven’t even looked at wagonomics this game.
Both eliminations blew my mind. The first one I still can’t believe and the second one with a town self voting just hurt my mafia soul.
(Never self vote as town. Always self pres and counter wagon)
Whyyyy
Yeah, part of my problem is I am not seeing any reason Ultra would pull the same bullshit as town.
Yes it’s frustrating to me but is it scummy?
I've literally been screaming about wagonomics since I subbed in.
Helz wrote:
Yeah, part of my problem is I am not seeing any reason Ultra would pull the same bullshit as town.
Yes it’s frustrating to me but is it scummy?
I'm confused, is there a meta to his absence?
He actually wasn't the only psuedo-afk person this game, but given that so much of it has revolved around him - you'd think he would let people know he isn't dead irl.
I do have the tangential problem though of being rather wrong if ultra is town.
Unless your doing a super wild bus play right now they kinda have to be scum (or at least not town) for my world view to make sense.
like, unpack from your shoes a world where Ultra is town. That shit requires wild potentials like scum no killing and such
If your argument is that ultra can be scum, I already said I agree. What doesn't change is the vote patterns I've pointed out.
Scum!ultra has two teammates on him, they switch to kohai.
Town!ultra has scum swapping to a different LHF from him.
Neither of these scenarios actually change the end result but they're obvious patterns. Like I wish I could magically print my results into your brain so you understand easier.
You being in a hardcore 1v1 with Rex positions ultra as scum to me.
we know a kill was stopped. It’s very likely WF’s doing. That also makes Mikal not mafia.
I have reason I won’t say to believe Wryly is 3p which I have decided I am fine with. We need them.
That leaves a pretty hard pool. Unless mafia no killed or your 1v1 is a bus the team is exactly Rex, Poe, and Ultra
Pie*
I do not see a world with Ultra being town unless either your 1v1 being fake or the kill block being fake
Helz wrote:
You being in a hardcore 1v1 with Rex positions ultra as scum to me.
we know a kill was stopped. It’s very likely WF’s doing. That also makes Mikal not mafia.
I have reason I won’t say to believe Wryly is 3p which I have decided I am fine with. We need them.
That leaves a pretty hard pool. Unless mafia no killed or your 1v1 is a bus the team is exactly Rex, Poe, and Ultra
I'm gonna put Mikal's slot aside for now and consider that for a minute.
Wait didn't Pie and Rex go back and forth yesterday? I don't know why I unpaired them in my brain and I don't have my notes on me atm.
Between Mikal and Pie they both verify the accepting Jesus thing. Then WF Independently verified targeting both of them and last night no kill screams innocence on Mikal.
Otherwise WF and Mikal have to not just be teamed but also chose to no kill for the optics plus have a T! Pie confirming the Christian play.
Weird world potential of all 3 being the team and dragging me into their scum chat to fuck with my brain but that is moderately unreasonable imo.
the most logical conclusion is simply that WF and Mikal are town
The odds bit of my brain is moving twords just solving ultra and giving another day to sort Rex/meow 1v1 while giving pie and wryly both a pass on claims even if both are likely not to be town.
Then we pair with the 3p and hammer out the game placing bets where we want between Rex/Meow
I wouldn’t mind feedback on my logic here if I am missing something
Helz wrote:
The odds bit of my brain is moving twords just solving ultra and giving another day to sort Rex/meow 1v1 while giving pie and wryly both a pass on claims even if both are likely not to be town.
Then we pair with the 3p and hammer out the game placing bets where we want between Rex/Meow
I wouldn’t mind feedback on my logic here if I am missing something
I mean, if you try putting yourself in my shoes I'm literally on an island where my vote needs to be on Rex. His vote needs to be on me. He has scum teammates that also would want to resolve this first. I have to convince remaining town players that I'm not full of shit and go through my own hazy, alcoholic logic.
If you want to convince the scumteam to resolve ultra, go ahead. I don't know if they're gonna listen to you but good luck.
Helz-land must be full of sunshine and rainbows.
In my head another day of your results and the wild cards of pie and Wryly doing wild things gives us more info on your 1v1
But if there is simply no world where ultra is town without us declaring your 1v1 or kill block fake we just loose later anyways.
I would really like to hear from anyone if my logic is off here but I am struggling to come up with a way to fit Ultra as town given the gamestate
Helz wrote:
The odds bit of my brain is moving twords just solving ultra and giving another day to sort Rex/meow 1v1 while giving pie and wryly both a pass on claims even if both are likely not to be town.
Then we pair with the 3p and hammer out the game placing bets where we want between Rex/Meow
I wouldn’t mind feedback on my logic here if I am missing something
I don’t see anything wrong with it. I think everyone in the game probably agrees Ultra is scum. If he’s town, we’ve lost the game anyways. I still think if you believe Wryly is the TP to make her claim so we have all the information before making a decision
I didn't sleep last night and I'm really tired. I'm gonna claim and you can do whatever.
Each night, I pick a letter and receive the associated ability, but I don't know the ability until I pick the letter, and it must be used that night.
NP1, I picked the "I" at random.
Here's a paraphrase:
The I represents intersex. You're an anomaly of anatomy who doesn't identify with either gender and can't have conventional intercourse. Tonight you are the virgin, and if you're killed all lethal roles will be roleblocked the next day. You can be roleblocked.
There is one letter left. I won't know what it does until tonight and I likely won't live to tell you.
Helz how many lie detects do you think I have lmao
MeowMix wrote:
Helz how many lie detects do you think I have lmao
Duno. Don’t tell me
If the idea is that Wryly and I are scum and Ultra is town (Helz saying if Meow is town Ultra has to be town) why on earth would we kill Mikal? He's by far the weakest link among the PM clique in this 'Rex is scum' feverdream that you're spinning up. Trying to drive a mislynch on Pie or WF this DP would be a huge uphill battle. They had both expressed reservations about Mikal and were at least a little ammenable to lynching him. The PM is objectively not a threat to scum seeing how it hasn't succesfully pushed one correct lynch in the whole game. If Ultra is town he's clearly the only better mislynch target than Mikal. We both scumread Ultra, but whom did I push? Mikal. Not Ultra. It makes no sense for us to kill Mikal. However, if I am town it makes all the sense in the world to kill Wryly.
