BYOR Mafia [day phase 1]

also as a heads up im probly gonna change my habit from claiming super fast now. it only ever gets me killed and never realy helps my team. so if i am resistant to claiming without good reason jus know that is why that is a behavor shift. i got mislynched dp1 amber mafia, frienren was fast game so doesnt count, died np2 in periodc table, died np1 in stereotype mafia, all of them i either claim too muc early or give my whole claim. it doesnt seem to work out for me. obviously if im gonna be lynched or something ill claim or if there is multipl ppl suspectin me i will but not doing it if only one person asks

Originally Posted by Banana on 7/1/2026 at 12:40 AM (post #60)

what benefit was holding that from town sposed to give? if a town pr visits you they culd die

And if a scum visits me…

Originally Posted by Thoth on 6/30/2026 at 11:57 PM (post #62)

Originally Posted by Banana on 7/1/2026 at 12:40 AM (post #60)

what benefit was holding that from town sposed to give? if a town pr visits you they culd die

And if a scum visits me…

u r statistically more likely to be visited by town

Originally Posted by Banana on 7/1/2026 at 1:37 AM (post #63)

u r statistically more likely to be visited by town

Which is balanced by killing a scum being a biggee help than killing a townie hurts, plus I might be visited by only a scum if I am being townread. I should add that I am not convinced that straight PGO should always be SOP-claimed.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/1/2026 at 12:40 AM (post #64)

Originally Posted by Banana on 7/1/2026 at 1:37 AM (post #63)

u r statistically more likely to be visited by town

Which is balanced by killing a scum being a biggee help than killing a townie hurts, plus I might be visited by only a scum if I am being townread. I should add that I am not convinced that straight PGO should always be SOP-claimed.

only way i can see this role helping town is if u were trying to bait them to visit u by hinting a pr. which didnt really seem like ur plan. and even that culd backfire if town didnt believe u. i just dont think hiding it to kill maf was ur actual intention since u l8er decided to just claim the role.

from my pov it seems like u came up with the claim after the day phase started and hoped u claimed early enough for it to still give u cred. i dont get the way u played this imo

Originally Posted by Banana on 7/1/2026 at 2:49 AM (post #65)

only way i can see this role helping town is if u were trying to bait them to visit u by hinting a pr. which didnt really seem like ur plan. and even that culd backfire if town didnt believe u. i just dont think hiding it to kill maf was ur actual intention since u l8er decided to just claim the role.

from my pov it seems like u came up with the claim after the day phase started and hoped u claimed early enough for it to still give u cred. i dont get the way u played this imo

That lines up with his "especially the first paragraph" remark in #4, only for it to turn out to be the second paragraph after he claimed.

My eyebrow is definitely raised by not immediately SOP claiming PGO. That's always been treated as a no-brainer.

Plus he said "after a quick looksie through his XformerlyTwitter page I had no idea how racist he is" like it doesn't say the guy's racist right there in the second wiki paragraph he says Kohai based the role justification on. Hm.

I await the arrival of the others.

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"Three different guys?"

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"Of course it counts as cheating," I said. For fuck's sake.

"But you were always watching those videos on your iPad with the two women rolling around and cleaning each other. Would it have been cheating if Miss Beatrice let you watch?"

"We're not having this conversation right now, Donut."

Yeah. Not the biggest fan of that play by Thoth. To his credit though Thoth is capable of big braining a move like baiting scum, but not the execution. In Periodic Table when I found out after I ded that he was a soldier, I applauded him thinking he was going to clutch the game, only for him to cave when it mattered most and claim soldier. Helz even told me they were going to kill whiteflame before lylo, meaning if he hadn't claimed he would have won for town. So this is something Thoth would fuck up. That said I am not totally clearing him based on that, just being open minded about it. But yeah he still probably should have claimed that outright if he wasn't planning on baiting. Regardless, I am not going to stick to this point super hard either since its early game and many people have yet to post.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/1/2026 at 2:22 AM (post #67)

Plus he said "after a quick looksie through his XformerlyTwitter page I had no idea how racist he is" like it doesn't say the guy's racist right there in the second wiki paragraph he says Kohai based the role justification on. Hm.

i was aware of his conspiratorial and right-wing politics, just not of the extent of his racism.

That's still a real risk, but the need to modpsych Kohai makes it one that I wouldn't worry about unless your character matches a specific role so well that you can't imagine them being anything else.

I mean, that's precisely where I think the problem could lie, so yes.

It's a calculated risk, and the calculations for this game are different than they are for most games on here. I won't deny that there could be legitimate criticism of it, but calling it "throwing caution to the wind", comes off as having a vested interest against it.

We're talking about a massclaim here in DP1 that you and three other players have already joined. Recognizing the risk and then just plunging ahead regardless seems decidedly incautious.

Plausible, yes, but they could just as well convince themselves of falsehood.

Not something I'd bank on, but sure.

After thinking about it for a while, I'll SOP-claim. My role is called Paranoid. If someone's action visits me, I have a 50:50 chance of (1) killing them and neutralizing their action or (2) redirecting their action to a randomly chosen player. Justification is that Chris Langan is a vocal supporter of guns and conspiracy theories. Check out his banner on XformerlyTwitter for an example.

Yep, that should have been an obvious SOP claim. So you're claiming a coin flip PGO/Nexus. The justification does fit with the character, I'll give you that, but this is really the kind of thing you should have posted first.

And if scum visits me...

Which is balanced by killing a scum being a biggee help than killing a townie hurts, plus I might be visited by only a scum if I am being townread. I should add that I am not convinced that straight PGO should always be SOP-claimed.

So, two things. First, this balance assumes that your PGO would only kill one person. If you're visited during the night by multiple players, wouldn't all of them theoretically be subject to your role, or just the first? My experience with PGOs in the past is that they can and would kill multiple visitors. Second, I don't really get the logic here. Why don't you think that a PGO should always be SOP-claimed? I get that there's value in the role if scum visits you and that you see that value as greater than the loss of town players who also visit you, but if the latter happened and you outed afterward or you had been pushed to claim PGO later, I can practically guarantee you would have been lynched for it.

Completely forgot this game exists lol

Originally Posted by Thoth on 6/30/2026 at 3:18 PM (post #3)

Since alignments are randomized, I see no reason to lie about our characters. We might as well claim those immediately. I am Christopher Michael Langan.

Except for it can provide a hint into what your role is? Literally have you not learned a thing?

Originally Posted by Shining on 6/30/2026 at 4:36 PM (post #5)

I picked FDR.

This guy is 100% scum lol

VTL Shining

Originally Posted by Thoth on 6/30/2026 at 8:19 PM (post #22)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 6/30/2026 at 7:37 PM (post #18)

Seems like a lot of people are getting onboard with claiming early, though I can't say I understand the reasoning here. Yes, characters are effectively randomized, but everyone would have submitted a set of 3 characters for Kohai to choose from. Scum will either have characters that don't obviously link to scummy roles or will just claim one of the other two characters they submitted. Just seems like it doesn't matter, but maybe that's your point. We have 5 claims out now, I'll likely give mine tonight, I just want to understand the thinking here.

Normally, the argument for mass-character claiming early is that it makes it harder for scum to fake-claim later, and the argument against it is that the more claims are public, the easier it is for scum to narrow down who is who, making it easier for them to guess who has which role or which characters are likely to be safe fake-claims. Since alignments are randomized, those arguments against it don't really apply, so all that claiming our characters will do is narrow the pool of roles that scum can concoct reasonable justifications for. That is, unless you think scum are going to be really, really good at modpsyching what roles Kohai gave to each character.

Or it gives them an idea of what role you are. This is stupid and we should not continue with this. If yall wanna soft claim, that’s fine. In fact that’s the optimal strat

Originally Posted by Banana on 6/30/2026 at 11:04 PM (post #38)

i am here. hopin i dont die np1 for the third game in a row.

Dont worry, I will channel my inner woman and become trans to protect you

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/1/2026 at 12:04 AM (post #47)

I vote we get a claim from Shining on the grounds that Shining is guilty until proven innocent, and so it has always been, unto the time of the ancestors

I support this.

VTL: Shining

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/1/2026 at 12:15 AM (post #52)

After thinking about it for a while, I'll SOP-claim. My role is called Paranoid. If someone's action visits me, I have a 50:50 chance of (1) killing them and neutralizing their action or (2) redirecting their action to a randomly chosen player. Justification is that Chris Langan is a vocal supporter of guns and conspiracy theories. Check out his banner on XformerlyTwitter for an example.

First PGO in a while. I would’ve claimed the second part though

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/1/2026 at 3:32 AM (post #69)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/1/2026 at 2:22 AM (post #67)

Plus he said "after a quick looksie through his XformerlyTwitter page I had no idea how racist he is" like it doesn't say the guy's racist right there in the second wiki paragraph he says Kohai based the role justification on. Hm.

i was aware of his conspiratorial and right-wing politics, just not of the extent of his racism.

How did you come about picking this as a character then?

Regarding Thoth. It’s obviously a great claim if he’s scum. My problem is more of his thought process. I assume everyone chose something that they’re passionate about or have knowledge about. Thoth chose this guy and doesn’t know he’s a racist? There’s also the discrepancy with the whole “second paragraph” thing. I think he’s a good policy lynch regardless because of potential redirectors, deflectors, bus drivers, etc.

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Shining (2/6): Thoth (p#57), ILikePie5 (p#76)

Banana (1/6): wylted (p#41)

Not Voting (7): Banana, Lunatic, Magoroth, Mikal, Shining, whiteflame, Wryly

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day phase ends in 2 days, 6 hours.

Didn't realize this started. Dp1 is going to be useless. Can we just randomly shoot someone and move on. No theme to analyze and the biggest factors are going to be results and behavior. Both of which are going to hard to gather before a np

I dont see a point in not claiming.

Im squall from ff8. Fav character. Was between this and Dalinar from stormlight

I can pick between two actions

I can vig, this is not 1x and is unlimited

Or I can defend myself and wound any tp and scum that visit me. They will die the following np

He justified this with my abilities and did a pretty awful job explaining it. He didnt even give me a specific role. Just what I do

I fully intend to shoot of my gut feelings if I dont feel the need to defend myself that night. So it you sus me. Im prob going to kill you just for memes

Lol

You would pick Dalinar though

I dont see a point in not claiming.

Im squall from ff8. Fav character. Was between this and Dalinar from stormlight

Considering all the discussion we've had about it, I don't really get why you'd just go ahead and claim like this, but fine.

I can pick between two actions

I can vig, this is not 1x and is unlimited

Or I can defend myself and wound any tp and scum that visit me. They will die the following np

Alright, I'll say it: how does the second option square with Thoth's PGO claim? I get that this is specific to scum and TP (does this confirm the existence of a TP in the game?) and wounds instead of killing, but that's still a pseudo-CC on a killing role.

As you mentioned. I think its pseudo but was on my radar. Assumption is this game has shit balance. David consistently makes insane games. Normally id auto sus it but with him modding. Just making a mental note

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/1/2026 at 4:32 AM (post #69)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/1/2026 at 2:22 AM (post #67)

Plus he said "after a quick looksie through his XformerlyTwitter page I had no idea how racist he is" like it doesn't say the guy's racist right there in the second wiki paragraph he says Kohai based the role justification on. Hm.

i was aware of his conspiratorial and right-wing politics, just not of the extent of his racism.

It says he's against interracial relationships in the second paragraph of his Wikipedia article, which you read because you said Kohai based the role justification on it. But if you're saying it was a question of only realizing the extent and reality of his racism after reading the tweets, I suppose.

But I don't like the pivot between "lol lazy Kohai based my justification on paragraph one of his wikipedia article" to "Kohai based my justification off of a combination of paragraph two of his wikipedia article and Twitter research."

Originally Posted by Mikal on 7/1/2026 at 12:24 PM (post #81)

Didn't realize this started. Dp1 is going to be useless. Can we just randomly shoot someone and move on. No theme to analyze and the biggest factors are going to be results and behavior. Both of which are going to hard to gather before a np

I dont see a point in not claiming.

Im squall from ff8. Fav character. Was between this and Dalinar from stormlight

I can pick between two actions

I can vig, this is not 1x and is unlimited

Or I can defend myself and wound any tp and scum that visit me. They will die the following np

He justified this with my abilities and did a pretty awful job explaining it. He didnt even give me a specific role. Just what I do

In Dalinar we trust.

Why full claim?

Because im going to kill people and just saying it upfront

Originally Posted by Mikal on 7/1/2026 at 3:43 PM (post #89)

Because im going to kill people and just saying it upfront

Why warn scum that you can booby trap them?