BYOR Mafia [day phase 1]

I have at least behavioral reasons to sus Thoth; I have nothing on Shining except inactivity.

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Thoth (3/6): Banana (p#161), whiteflame (p#185), RexFavilla (p#205)

Lunatic (1/6): Thoth (p#170)

Shining (1/6): ILikePie5 (p#76)

Not Voting (5): Lunatic, Mikal (p#141), Shining, Wryly, wylted (p#127)

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day phase ends in 2 hours.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/3/2026 at 5:42 AM (post #169)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/3/2026 at 12:54 AM (post #160)

I apologize for my lack of contributions so far, rough few days.

Bananas and gentlemen, I propose Thoth. He begins by saying he guarantees Kohai based his role justification off Langan's Wikipedia article, "especially the first paragraph." After a bit he throws caution to the wind and full claims that he's a Paranoid Nexus -- 50/50 chance visitors are either killed or redirected. Passing over the fact that this role smells a little Thothy, he completely failed to SOP claim it out of the gate, and his justification for that is he was hoping to kill scum who visited him.

For that reason, if I were a straight PGO, I probably would have fake-claimed something designed to bait Mafia visits. The reason I decided to SOP-claim after dwelling on it was the fear that my Nexus could give investigatives false results.

So he's okay with killing investigatives but he's not ok with giving them false results? Just doesn't add up to me.

This would be a pretty reckless and potentially costly approach to scumhunting, and I'm not convinced town!Thoth would like that math.

He would love the math if he thought hr had scumbait for a fake claim.

Not sure what he means here.

If he was so persuaded that killing scum helps more than killing townies hurts, why full claim instead of trying to bait scum?

See above.

I point out that "the first paragraph" of the Wikipedia article says nothing about "guns and conspiracy theories". He amends himself and says oh well, it was the second paragraph, and also he never said Kohai didn't source the justification from other places as well. This imo doesn't really line up with the vibe of post #4, which seems to be saying that Kohai is lazy and grabbed the justification from the first, easiest source he could find.

Part of my role PM is just a clipping from the first paragraph of Chris Langan’s Wikipedia article, in slightly different words. Part of it is based on his views that are described in the second paragraph. Maybe I could have spoken more precisely, but my point is that Kohai was clearly relying on the first search results when writing my role card.

This isn't consistent with him saying "I never said it was the only thing Kohai used" in #56. He's gone back and forth on whether Kohai just referenced Wikipedia or used other sources.

I'll @ him in this post but I don't have much hope he'll be back on before EOD.

VTL: Thoth

He was gonna be lynched anyway under plurality but in the interests of giving town clear wagon data, here I sits.

I don't like the idea of costing town a potentially valuable role just because Shining is a low-effort player in general. If we had his claim right now that might be a different story. I'd rather lynch Thoth now and get a claim from Shining next DP.

I'm not sure why everyone is making so much of the CC when most of us seem to agree Mikal is bullshitting, btw. The inconsistencies in Thoth's story matter a lot more to me, but they don't seem to be as compelling to some of you. No idea if that means I'm giving them too much significance or what.

Ok, I used the right format, what gives.

VTL: Thoth

grumble

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Thoth (4/6): Banana (p#161), whiteflame (p#185), RexFavilla (p#205), Wryly (p#216)

Lunatic (1/6): Thoth (p#170)

Shining (1/6): ILikePie5 (p#76)

Not Voting (4): Lunatic, Mikal (p#141), Shining, wylted (p#127)

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day phase ends in 2 hours.

My post-vote doubt is setting in.

Carl: Mordecai, do you remember anything from today?

Donut: YOU WERE DRUNK AND YOU MOLESTED SOMEONE'S GRANDMA.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/3/2026 at 2:54 PM (post #214)

VTL: Thoth

He was gonna be lynched anyway under plurality but in the interests of giving town clear wagon data, here I sits.

I don't like the idea of costing town a potentially valuable role just because Shining is a low-effort player in general. If we had his claim right now that might be a different story. I'd rather lynch Thoth now and get a claim from Shining next DP.

The lack of a role claim from Shining is holding me back there as well.

I'm not sure why everyone is making so much of the CC when most of us seem to agree Mikal is bullshitting, btw. The inconsistencies in Thoth's story matter a lot more to me, but they don't seem to be as compelling to some of you. No idea if that means I'm giving them too much significance or what.

The problem isn’t with the CC, it’s with Thoth’s response to it. I just don’t get why he’d point to the CC, then just vote Luna based on a gut read. I get that there are inconsistencies in his behavior as well, though Thoth just generally tends to have issues keeping his story straight whether he’s town or scum, so I look for more from him to establish a read.

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Thoth (4/6): Banana (p#161), whiteflame (p#185), RexFavilla (p#205), Wryly (p#216)

Shining (2/6): ILikePie5 (p#76), wylted (p#220)

Lunatic (1/6): Thoth (p#170)

Not Voting (3): Lunatic, Mikal (p#141), Shining

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day phase ends in 2 hours.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/3/2026 at 1:24 PM (post #210)

As for Thoth, I agree with Pie that he’s at least contributing, but that pseudo-CC bothers me. I don’t buy that that is Mikal’s claim, and the fact that he’s not all over Thoth stands out (maybe it is just a reaction test), but the fact that Thoth hasn’t had much to say about it is pretty confounding and the gut read-based vote on Thoth after mentioning that CC is troubling, since he basically just writes it off as “Kohai can’t balance a game.”

Here’s the thing. In a 10-player game, Mikal’s claim is beyond ridiculous whether there are more extra kills or not. That leaves open the possibility that both my claim and Mikal’s claim are real because it’s already absurd enough for just his claim to exist.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/3/2026 at 11:52 AM (post #193)

Okay need you to give your PM in this format:

Character:

Role:

Paraphrased Justification:

I think this is about as close of a paraphrase of my role PM as I can get without risking a modkill:

You are Christopher Michael Langan. You are a horse rancher who got a super-high score on a take-at-home IQ test (basically the first paragraph of his Wikipedia article). You are also a racist and peddler of conspiracy theories (second paragraph of Wikipedia article), which makes you Paranoid.

Less than 1 hr remains!

Originally Posted by wylted on 7/3/2026 at 3:18 PM (post #220)

VTL: Shining

I'd like to wait on the Thoth thing TBH

Wait on what? No one is going to visit him. He can't be role or alignment confirmed.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/3/2026 at 3:27 PM (post #222)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/3/2026 at 1:24 PM (post #210)

As for Thoth, I agree with Pie that he’s at least contributing, but that pseudo-CC bothers me. I don’t buy that that is Mikal’s claim, and the fact that he’s not all over Thoth stands out (maybe it is just a reaction test), but the fact that Thoth hasn’t had much to say about it is pretty confounding and the gut read-based vote on Thoth after mentioning that CC is troubling, since he basically just writes it off as “Kohai can’t balance a game.”

Here’s the thing. In a 10-player game, Mikal’s claim is beyond ridiculous whether there are more extra kills or not. That leaves open the possibility that both my claim and Mikal’s claim are real because it’s already absurd enough for just his claim to exist.

Except it’s pretty clear his claim doesn’t exist, especially from his responses to other people saying he’s just baiting. I’d get it more if you just acknowledged that that’s likely the case so you aren’t sussing what is likely a made up claim anyway, but you seem to be taking it seriously and I don’t get that.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/3/2026 at 3:12 PM (post #219)

The problem isn’t with the CC, it’s with Thoth’s response to it. I just don’t get why he’d point to the CC, then just vote Luna based on a gut read. I get that there are inconsistencies in his behavior as well, though Thoth just generally tends to have issues keeping his story straight whether he’s town or scum, so I look for more from him to establish a read.

You say he's inconsistent as either alignment but also say you sus him because of an inconsistency. Does it come down to how inconsistent must a Thoth be to tip from NAI to scum?

I suppose we could CFD over to Shining but we would have to be lynching blind. I don't like it.

TWTBAW: Too Wolfy To Be A Wolf

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/3/2026 at 2:43 PM (post #226)

Except it’s pretty clear his claim doesn’t exist, especially from his responses to other people saying he’s just baiting. I’d get it more if you just acknowledged that that’s likely the case so you aren’t sussing what is likely a made up claim anyway, but you seem to be taking it seriously and I don’t get that

My point is that you never know in a Kohai game. With most mods, I wouldn’t even consider the possibility, and Mikal wouldn’t even consider using it as a reaction test.

I am purring the fire ararm

VTL: Shining

Duty calls. Won't be around to CFD.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/3/2026 at 3:45 PM (post #227)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/3/2026 at 3:12 PM (post #219)

The problem isn’t with the CC, it’s with Thoth’s response to it. I just don’t get why he’d point to the CC, then just vote Luna based on a gut read. I get that there are inconsistencies in his behavior as well, though Thoth just generally tends to have issues keeping his story straight whether he’s town or scum, so I look for more from him to establish a read.

You say he's inconsistent as either alignment but also say you sus him because of an inconsistency. Does it come down to how inconsistent must a Thoth be to tip from NAI to scum?

I suppose we could CFD over to Shining but we would have to be lynching blind. I don't like it.

I'll rephrase.

I expect inconsistencies from Thoth. I especially expect internal inconsistencies where he claims he did something for one reason and then states that he did it for another. Still, the more those build up, the more scummy he looks to me.

What's odder is inconsistencies when it comes to his susses, particularly when he says something looks off and then puts his focus elsewhere seemingly at random with the only explanation being a gutread.

But again, this is just adding up inconsistencies, which is when he tends to ping me most. Some inconsistencies look stranger or more random, but yeah, the more they happen, the more they stand out.

As for Shining, while I'm considering it, I'm still pretty stuck on Thoth atm. I think getting a lynch is paramount and I can see choosing either one, but I can't see learning anything new about Thoth later that could change my mind about him.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/3/2026 at 3:49 PM (post #229)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/3/2026 at 2:43 PM (post #226)

Except it’s pretty clear his claim doesn’t exist, especially from his responses to other people saying he’s just baiting. I’d get it more if you just acknowledged that that’s likely the case so you aren’t sussing what is likely a made up claim anyway, but you seem to be taking it seriously and I don’t get that

My point is that you never know in a Kohai game. With most mods, I wouldn’t even consider the possibility, and Mikal wouldn’t even consider using it as a reaction test.

Weird as some of Kohai's games have been, this is leaning a bit too heavily on modpsych for my liking.

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Thoth (4/6): Banana (p#161), whiteflame (p#185), RexFavilla (p#205), Wryly (p#216)

Shining (3/6): ILikePie5 (p#76), wylted (p#220), Thoth (p#230)

Not Voting (3): Lunatic, Mikal (p#141), Shining

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 hour.

Looks like both Shining and Thoth are close enough to be viable options for the lynch. I'm still leaning towards Thoth, but I think there's good reason to go either way.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/3/2026 at 2:55 PM (post #235)

Looks like both Shining and Thoth are close enough to be viable options for the lynch. I'm still leaning towards Thoth, but I think there's good reason to go either way.

Just let it 50/50 if you can’t pick

I am still leaning Thoth as well. I have to attend to my grandmother. If anyone would like to make a better case for Shining, now is the time. Mikal and Lunatic could still swing this toward Shining as well.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/3/2026 at 2:53 PM (post #232)

What's odder is inconsistencies when it comes to his susses, particularly when he says something looks off and then puts his focus elsewhere seemingly at random with the only explanation being a gutread.

What more explanation were you expecting? There wasn’t that much activity for me to draw inferences from, and nobody besides me was being seriously floated as a lynch candidate.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/3/2026 at 4:06 PM (post #236)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/3/2026 at 2:55 PM (post #235)

Looks like both Shining and Thoth are close enough to be viable options for the lynch. I'm still leaning towards Thoth, but I think there's good reason to go either way.

Just let it 50/50 if you can’t pick

Only problem there is that it makes analyzing the two wagons significantly harder. Still, tempted.

She's calling for me. Sorry if I'm wrong about you, Thoth.