BROR Mafia [day phase 2]

Right now, push comes to shove, I’d go with REF. I don’t like their logic with WF.

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whiteflame (2/5): RexFavilla (p#154), wylted (p#194)

RexFavilla (2/5): ILikePie5 (p#200), whiteflame (p#220)

Lunatic (1/5): Banana (p#78)

Banana (1/5): Lunatic (p#234)

Not Voting (2): Mag1cman, Wryly

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 7 hours.

We have 7 hours left. If no one is feeling banana, I will switch to Rex since he's my second top scum read. But id like people to at least consider Banana.

Was Banana ever sus of Mikal?

VTL: RexFavilla

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/7/2026 at 10:35 AM (post #243)

We have 7 hours left. If no one is feeling banana, I will switch to Rex since he's my second top scum read. But id like people to at least consider Banana.

So I'd like to understand this read more:

Banana- Lean Scum- She has some role confirmation going for her, that's about it. Mods frequently give scum "confirmable" type roles though for balance, to prove the point that players being role confirmed should not eliminate need for lynching based on behavior. Banana behaviorally just feels different. She was a hypocrite in wanting to pressure people on the shining/thoth wagon despite the fact she herself was on the thoth wagon. But she didn't even follow through with that despite dedicating her entire np1 ability to basically posting she thinks we should be targetting those on that wagon. She voted me instead, and then just dis-appeared. Her aggressive stances early don't seem like her at all, and she seems to be trying to take advantage of a mislynch opportunity with whiteflames results rather than even attempt to consider a world where I would be town. Her behavior has been very unusual to her normal playstyle this game, and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise for me. Normally I feel like she screams town when town, and I am not getting that vibe at all now.

I think you're glossing over the role confirmation. The OP specifically says that "A message of hope appears," and while I can buy that Kohai might give scum a seemingly town-confirmed role, that seems like him putting his finger on the scale. Apart from that, I can't say I see a lot of difference in Banana's behavior. The push on you seems a little sudden, but I at least get where this is coming from, especially given the possibility of your being a Redirector. The main thing that's bothering me from her is a lack of reads. Usually by now, she's at least given some indication of how she sees everyone, but I haven't gotten any clarity on how she sees most of us.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/7/2026 at 9:16 AM (post #246)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/7/2026 at 10:35 AM (post #243)

We have 7 hours left. If no one is feeling banana, I will switch to Rex since he's my second top scum read. But id like people to at least consider Banana.

So I'd like to understand this read more:

Banana- Lean Scum- She has some role confirmation going for her, that's about it. Mods frequently give scum "confirmable" type roles though for balance, to prove the point that players being role confirmed should not eliminate need for lynching based on behavior. Banana behaviorally just feels different. She was a hypocrite in wanting to pressure people on the shining/thoth wagon despite the fact she herself was on the thoth wagon. But she didn't even follow through with that despite dedicating her entire np1 ability to basically posting she thinks we should be targetting those on that wagon. She voted me instead, and then just dis-appeared. Her aggressive stances early don't seem like her at all, and she seems to be trying to take advantage of a mislynch opportunity with whiteflames results rather than even attempt to consider a world where I would be town. Her behavior has been very unusual to her normal playstyle this game, and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise for me. Normally I feel like she screams town when town, and I am not getting that vibe at all now.

I think you're glossing over the role confirmation. The OP specifically says that "A message of hope appears," and while I can buy that Kohai might give scum a seemingly town-confirmed role, that seems like him putting his finger on the scale. Apart from that, I can't say I see a lot of difference in Banana's behavior. The push on you seems a little sudden, but I at least get where this is coming from, especially given the possibility of your being a Redirector. The main thing that's bothering me from her is a lack of reads. Usually by now, she's at least given some indication of how she sees everyone, but I haven't gotten any clarity on how she sees most of us.

How many times do we need to be burned by role confirmation before we start to take behavior more seriously? And do you honestly not see banana as being way more aggressive than normal? Not just with me but with her thotg read. Which was hypocritical btw since she wanted to focus the Thoth and shining wagon. I’m not seeing consistency to her normal play personally.

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whiteflame (2/5): RexFavilla (p#154), wylted (p#194)

RexFavilla (2/5): whiteflame (p#220), ILikePie5 (p#245)

Lunatic (1/5): Banana (p#78)

Banana (1/5): Lunatic (p#234)

Not Voting (2): Mag1cman, Wryly

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 5 hours.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/7/2026 at 11:16 AM (post #246)

I think you're glossing over the role confirmation. The OP specifically says that "A message of hope appears," and while I can buy that Kohai might give scum a seemingly town-confirmed role, that seems like him putting his finger on the scale. Apart from that, I can't say I see a lot of difference in Banana's behavior. The push on you seems a little sudden, but I at least get where this is coming from, especially given the possibility of your being a Redirector. The main thing that's bothering me from her is a lack of reads. Usually by now, she's at least given some indication of how she sees everyone, but I haven't gotten any clarity on how she sees most of us.

I agree with this. Banana is not on the table for me.

I also don't see Rex gunning for whiteflame like this as scum. This reminds me of when he was going against the tide to sus whiteflame last game.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/7/2026 at 11:38 AM (post #247)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/7/2026 at 9:16 AM (post #246)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/7/2026 at 10:35 AM (post #243)

We have 7 hours left. If no one is feeling banana, I will switch to Rex since he's my second top scum read. But id like people to at least consider Banana.

So I'd like to understand this read more:

Banana- Lean Scum- She has some role confirmation going for her, that's about it. Mods frequently give scum "confirmable" type roles though for balance, to prove the point that players being role confirmed should not eliminate need for lynching based on behavior. Banana behaviorally just feels different. She was a hypocrite in wanting to pressure people on the shining/thoth wagon despite the fact she herself was on the thoth wagon. But she didn't even follow through with that despite dedicating her entire np1 ability to basically posting she thinks we should be targetting those on that wagon. She voted me instead, and then just dis-appeared. Her aggressive stances early don't seem like her at all, and she seems to be trying to take advantage of a mislynch opportunity with whiteflames results rather than even attempt to consider a world where I would be town. Her behavior has been very unusual to her normal playstyle this game, and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise for me. Normally I feel like she screams town when town, and I am not getting that vibe at all now.

I think you're glossing over the role confirmation. The OP specifically says that "A message of hope appears," and while I can buy that Kohai might give scum a seemingly town-confirmed role, that seems like him putting his finger on the scale. Apart from that, I can't say I see a lot of difference in Banana's behavior. The push on you seems a little sudden, but I at least get where this is coming from, especially given the possibility of your being a Redirector. The main thing that's bothering me from her is a lack of reads. Usually by now, she's at least given some indication of how she sees everyone, but I haven't gotten any clarity on how she sees most of us.

How many times do we need to be burned by role confirmation before we start to take behavior more seriously? And do you honestly not see banana as being way more aggressive than normal? Not just with me but with her thotg read. Which was hypocritical btw since she wanted to focus the Thoth and shining wagon. I’m not seeing consistency to her normal play personally.

I can't just dismiss role confirmation entirely simply because we've been burned by it before. I can see the validity of keeping her in POE, but not scumreading her. As for the aggression, I'd like to get more insight into her thinking on you, but as I said, I get where she's coming from. I'm more focused on that than on her presence on and sussing of the Thoth/Shining wagons, mainly because that focus doesn't do much to narrow the pool of suspects. If scum Banana was using this to put attention on anyone, her better bet would be to focus on those who stayed off the wagons, not those where on it.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/7/2026 at 12:01 PM (post #250)

I also don't see Rex gunning for whiteflame like this as scum. This reminds me of when he was going against the tide to sus whiteflame last game.

Rex is prone to pushing targets like this as either town or scum, so I see that as NAI. The main thing that seems odd to me is how he's doing it, basically calling me out for not responding directly to a point he said he'd elaborate on and never did. At the very least, it's a pretty weak argument.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/7/2026 at 10:05 AM (post #251)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/7/2026 at 11:38 AM (post #247)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/7/2026 at 9:16 AM (post #246)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/7/2026 at 10:35 AM (post #243)

We have 7 hours left. If no one is feeling banana, I will switch to Rex since he's my second top scum read. But id like people to at least consider Banana.

So I'd like to understand this read more:

Banana- Lean Scum- She has some role confirmation going for her, that's about it. Mods frequently give scum "confirmable" type roles though for balance, to prove the point that players being role confirmed should not eliminate need for lynching based on behavior. Banana behaviorally just feels different. She was a hypocrite in wanting to pressure people on the shining/thoth wagon despite the fact she herself was on the thoth wagon. But she didn't even follow through with that despite dedicating her entire np1 ability to basically posting she thinks we should be targetting those on that wagon. She voted me instead, and then just dis-appeared. Her aggressive stances early don't seem like her at all, and she seems to be trying to take advantage of a mislynch opportunity with whiteflames results rather than even attempt to consider a world where I would be town. Her behavior has been very unusual to her normal playstyle this game, and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise for me. Normally I feel like she screams town when town, and I am not getting that vibe at all now.

I think you're glossing over the role confirmation. The OP specifically says that "A message of hope appears," and while I can buy that Kohai might give scum a seemingly town-confirmed role, that seems like him putting his finger on the scale. Apart from that, I can't say I see a lot of difference in Banana's behavior. The push on you seems a little sudden, but I at least get where this is coming from, especially given the possibility of your being a Redirector. The main thing that's bothering me from her is a lack of reads. Usually by now, she's at least given some indication of how she sees everyone, but I haven't gotten any clarity on how she sees most of us.

How many times do we need to be burned by role confirmation before we start to take behavior more seriously? And do you honestly not see banana as being way more aggressive than normal? Not just with me but with her thotg read. Which was hypocritical btw since she wanted to focus the Thoth and shining wagon. I’m not seeing consistency to her normal play personally.

I can't just dismiss role confirmation entirely simply because we've been burned by it before. I can see the validity of keeping her in POE, but not scumreading her. As for the aggression, I'd like to get more insight into her thinking on you, but as I said, I get where she's coming from. I'm more focused on that than on her presence on and sussing of the Thoth/Shining wagons, mainly because that focus doesn't do much to narrow the pool of suspects. If scum Banana was using this to put attention on anyone, her better bet would be to focus on those who stayed off the wagons, not those where on it.

If you don’t wanna push banana you don’t have to, but a lot of this just sounds like an agree to disagree situation.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/7/2026 at 10:01 AM (post #250)

I also don't see Rex gunning for whiteflame like this as scum. This reminds me of when he was going against the tide to sus whiteflame last game.

Times ticking, who do you want to lynch today? Plurality is in effect so largest wagon dies, remember

Kohai can you ping banana? Dp is about to end

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/7/2026 at 12:08 PM (post #252)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/7/2026 at 12:01 PM (post #250)

I also don't see Rex gunning for whiteflame like this as scum. This reminds me of when he was going against the tide to sus whiteflame last game.

Rex is prone to pushing targets like this as either town or scum, so I see that as NAI. The main thing that seems odd to me is how he's doing it, basically calling me out for not responding directly to a point he said he'd elaborate on and never did. At the very least, it's a pretty weak argument.

I agree it wasn't terribly persuasive. You're "lawyery" (I prefer "Tuvok-ish") as either alignment.

It just seems like you're a hard target to get lynched and it would be smarter for scum!Rex to go for lower-hanging fruit.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/7/2026 at 12:16 PM (post #254)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/7/2026 at 10:01 AM (post #250)

I also don't see Rex gunning for whiteflame like this as scum. This reminds me of when he was going against the tide to sus whiteflame last game.

Times ticking, who do you want to lynch today? Plurality is in effect so largest wagon dies, remember

I haz indecision

If I lynch you the game will be less fun

Which like, shouldn't be factored into my decision but

I feel confident Wylted and Wryly are town

Haven’t caught up on DP2 yet

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whiteflame (2/5): RexFavilla (p#154), wylted (p#194)

RexFavilla (2/5): whiteflame (p#220), ILikePie5 (p#245)

Lunatic (1/5): Banana (p#78)

Banana (1/5): Lunatic (p#234)

Not Voting (2): Mag1cman, Wryly

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 4 hours.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/7/2026 at 12:22 PM (post #256)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/7/2026 at 12:08 PM (post #252)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/7/2026 at 12:01 PM (post #250)

I also don't see Rex gunning for whiteflame like this as scum. This reminds me of when he was going against the tide to sus whiteflame last game.

Rex is prone to pushing targets like this as either town or scum, so I see that as NAI. The main thing that seems odd to me is how he's doing it, basically calling me out for not responding directly to a point he said he'd elaborate on and never did. At the very least, it's a pretty weak argument.

I agree it wasn't terribly persuasive. You're "lawyery" (I prefer "Tuvok-ish") as either alignment.

It just seems like you're a hard target to get lynched and it would be smarter for scum!Rex to go for lower-hanging fruit.

I'll take "Tuvok-ish," love his character and watched a lot of Deep Space Nine.

As for me being difficult to lynch, I guess that depends on how you see the DP. Given the way he's framing Luna and me as a 1v1, either of our lynches can be framed as a coin flip, allowing some side-stepping of usual behavioral tells.

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whiteflame (2/5): RexFavilla (p#154), wylted (p#194)

RexFavilla (2/5): whiteflame (p#220), ILikePie5 (p#245)

Lunatic (1/5): Banana (p#78)

Banana (1/5): Lunatic (p#234)

Not Voting (2): Mag1cman, Wryly

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day phase ends in 4 hours.

I'm in the doctor's office waiting room, hopefully I'll be home in time for the vote, or actually, hopefully I won't be so I won't have to come to a decision

A little over 3 hrs left in day phase

If it’s between Rex and Whiteflame, I’m thinking Whiteflame.

was sus of Banana’s DP1 until the confirmation came in. Doesn’t change much about Pie, I wonder about efforts to buddy Banana. Lunatic is still around in my head.

I think both scum are in Pie, Whiteflame, Lunatic.

Admittedly I feel less confident in Wryly and Wylted being town after mulling it over a bit more, but I still kinda feel that way.

Everything WF has said has kind of not helped my impression of him. I also think his flip will be more revealing. I also feel like WF's analysis of me particularly has just felt off. Like he's not trying to really figure out if I'm town or scum but is rather trying to cut the legs out from any argument that could frame me as town. It really reminds me of his play last game where he was TP.

Like the idea that I could go after any kind of target as town or scum. It's not a hard stance or anything that can be pushed back on, just argumentative grey goo that dissolves an argument that somebody else made.

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 7/6/2026 at 5:07 PM (post #181)

Ugh I'm done phoneposting just lost my giant wall post. Long story short I think WF and Luna are in a semi1:1. If Luna is the town BG I dont see scum WF pulling this, hed just keep that info to himself. Luna, if you ARE town redirector I think WF is scum pulling the rolecop gambit. If Luna is scum roleblocker well then WF is town and Luna is scum. Will elaborate further later.

Are you going to elaborate on this point at any time, or are you just going to keep pretending you did and that I've refused to address it?

Everything WF has said has kind of not helped my impression of him. I also think his flip will be more revealing. I also feel like WF's analysis of me particularly has just felt off. Like he's not trying to really figure out if I'm town or scum but is rather trying to cut the legs out from any argument that could frame me as town. It really reminds me of his play last game where he was TP.

In my last response to you, I asked you to expand on the argument you made so that we can actually discuss your read of me. Your response since then has been to claim that my lack of response to your conclusion somehow implicates me. I've been waiting, even said I'd respond first thing this morning if you posted it, and you've continued to provide nothing. I don't know what you want me to analyze, but I've been asking for more and it doesn't feel like I'm getting anywhere.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/7/2026 at 10:24 AM (post #257)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/7/2026 at 12:16 PM (post #254)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/7/2026 at 10:01 AM (post #250)

I also don't see Rex gunning for whiteflame like this as scum. This reminds me of when he was going against the tide to sus whiteflame last game.

Times ticking, who do you want to lynch today? Plurality is in effect so largest wagon dies, remember

I haz indecision

If I lynch you the game will be less fun

Which like, shouldn't be factored into my decision but

It shouldn't factor into your decision, but if you feel the same way tomorrow, I implore you go all in on pressuring me. There's so much I don't want to say or respond to wrt to my role because it will tamper a strategy I am attempting, so I have had to ignore a few salient points you have made in your last response to me. A lot of things will make sense when I eventually claim. I know that sounds a lot like a "Just trust me bro" but.... Just trust me bro

UNVOTE

VTL: RexFavilla

With the vig dead we should be able to VTNL

let’s not make a decision just yet.

VTL: No Lynch

im dead tonight but with 6 townies here we improve our odds of getting helpful night results… as opposed to us doing this earlier.