He likes Mirrors also, apparently.
He likes Mirrors also, apparently.
we have a little under 3 hrs left
so just gonna ignore balance and think about claims now. one of the main things i was scumming thoth for is now gone, bcuz i thot it was wierd that there was a role with 2 one shots abilities in a game with a bunch of odd/evens, but ruyi zhuan had the exact same thing. so i guess that means nothing since we can look at that game. now im kind of stuck on the two watchers thing again. like even without wylteds watcher theres a lot of investigative roles and now we have a second watcher on top of a tracker cop. like part of me wants to think that 'wryly wouldnt do that as scum' but the more i think about that its kind of a weak reason to give her a pass bcuz they could have just banked on wylted not dying. only thing tripping me up is what wylteds plan was with his result on thoth dp2. theres a chance that thoth actually just caught him in a lie and it foiled there whole plan. whats wierd is wryly claimed watcher AFTER that happened. so i dont know what her play was if she was scum here, unless she was really hoping we either wouldnt ever lynch wylted, or that we would buy a second watcher even if we did lynch him. or maybe she was just hoping to get confirmation with a result of wylteds like we originally thot, and was hoping to buy town cred from me since she was the first to claim odd/even after i did.
hmmm
Originally Posted by Banana on 7/30/2026 at 8:14 PM (post #183)
so just gonna ignore balance and think about claims now. one of the main things i was scumming thoth for is now gone, bcuz i thot it was wierd that there was a role with 2 one shots abilities in a game with a bunch of odd/evens, but ruyi zhuan had the exact same thing. so i guess that means nothing since we can look at that game. now im kind of stuck on the two watchers thing again. like even without wylteds watcher theres a lot of investigative roles and now we have a second watcher on top of a tracker cop. like part of me wants to think that 'wryly wouldnt do that as scum' but the more i think about that its kind of a weak reason to give her a pass bcuz they could have just banked on wylted not dying. only thing tripping me up is what wylteds plan was with his result on thoth dp2. theres a chance that thoth actually just caught him in a lie and it foiled there whole plan. whats wierd is wryly claimed watcher AFTER that happened. so i dont know what her play was if she was scum here, unless she was really hoping we either wouldnt ever lynch wylted, or that we would buy a second watcher even if we did lynch him. or maybe she was just hoping to get confirmation with a result of wylteds like we originally thot, and was hoping to buy town cred from me since she was the first to claim odd/even after i did.
hmmm
But wylted was like, very very probably going to be lynched after he straight claimed DP1. I don't get this.
For the sake of full honesty, and I know how bad this sounds, I will say that I redid my lynch math last night and there was really no reason to VTNL wylted if I was sure he was scum. The extra DP from my Commuter was possible anyway. I'm retarded, but I'm tryna own up to it.
Forum signatures are bullshit. Nobody wants to waste their time and bandwidth reading something they have read 29,998,559,671,349 times before.
Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/30/2026 at 6:42 PM (post #174)
Rex obviously didn't give us a Rolestopper and a Roleblocker. Well, obvious from my pov, anyway. That's too much negative utility potential for town. Both roles are already swingy; you could roleblock a townie or you could rolestop scum. But even the positive utility potential of Roleblocker is mitigated if a Rolestopper targets scum as well.
Setups can be swingy. I don't see how you can say that a Tracker and Watcher are both in the game as town and then say Roleblocker/Rolestopper is impossible. They even serve to balance the possible extra death from the Lovers by making their death(s) less likely.
Forum signatures are bullshit. Nobody wants to waste their time and bandwidth reading something they have read 29,998,559,671,349 times before.
Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/30/2026 at 6:26 PM (post #185)
For the sake of full honesty, and I know how bad this sounds, I will say that I redid my lynch math last night and there was really no reason to VTNL wylted if I was sure he was scum. The extra DP from my Commuter was possible anyway. I'm retarded, but I'm tryna own up to it.
we already know lol it only looks good for u to finally admit this
Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/30/2026 at 8:27 PM (post #186)
Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/30/2026 at 6:42 PM (post #174)
Rex obviously didn't give us a Rolestopper and a Roleblocker. Well, obvious from my pov, anyway. That's too much negative utility potential for town. Both roles are already swingy; you could roleblock a townie or you could rolestop scum. But even the positive utility potential of Roleblocker is mitigated if a Rolestopper targets scum as well.
Setups can be swingy. I don't see how you can say that a Tracker and Watcher are both in the game as town and then say Roleblocker/Rolestopper is impossible. They even serve to balance the possible extra death from the Lovers by making their death(s) less likely.
This is a 180 from DP2 when you agreed that a Rolestopper and Roleblocker was excessive.
I've been reading a lot of scumminess into various things Wryly has done throughout this game, but it could be that I'm looking through all of it with a scum-tinted magnifying glass and I would be seeing the same from Banana if I had nearly as much to ISO.
Forum signatures are bullshit. Nobody wants to waste their time and bandwidth reading something they have read 29,998,559,671,349 times before.
Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/30/2026 at 7:31 PM (post #188)
This is a 180 from DP2 when you agreed that a Rolestopper and Roleblocker was excessive.
It's excessive in the sense that I probably wouldn't put both in a 9P game. Rex might think differently. I've been trying to analyze this day phase from the perspective of Rex's previous setups.
Forum signatures are bullshit. Nobody wants to waste their time and bandwidth reading something they have read 29,998,559,671,349 times before.
Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/30/2026 at 6:23 PM (post #184)
Originally Posted by Banana on 7/30/2026 at 8:14 PM (post #183)
so just gonna ignore balance and think about claims now. one of the main things i was scumming thoth for is now gone, bcuz i thot it was wierd that there was a role with 2 one shots abilities in a game with a bunch of odd/evens, but ruyi zhuan had the exact same thing. so i guess that means nothing since we can look at that game. now im kind of stuck on the two watchers thing again. like even without wylteds watcher theres a lot of investigative roles and now we have a second watcher on top of a tracker cop. like part of me wants to think that 'wryly wouldnt do that as scum' but the more i think about that its kind of a weak reason to give her a pass bcuz they could have just banked on wylted not dying. only thing tripping me up is what wylteds plan was with his result on thoth dp2. theres a chance that thoth actually just caught him in a lie and it foiled there whole plan. whats wierd is wryly claimed watcher AFTER that happened. so i dont know what her play was if she was scum here, unless she was really hoping we either wouldnt ever lynch wylted, or that we would buy a second watcher even if we did lynch him. or maybe she was just hoping to get confirmation with a result of wylteds like we originally thot, and was hoping to buy town cred from me since she was the first to claim odd/even after i did.
hmmm
But wylted was like, very very probably going to be lynched after he straight claimed DP1. I don't get this.
definitely a weird stategy if u guys are scum. i admit that. but i have such a hard time justifying a second watcher so its not out of realm to believe there was a bus intended here, or u just hoped we would buy a second watcher if he did actually flip. but there is at least basis to believe u hoped to get a result off him to use for confirmation. if thoth was town, that probably got impededed. and if u were scum u couldnt claim a result in dp3 either since use couldnt have got one in dp2 since u claimed odd night.
also we have to find some explaination for ur no result. my best guess for this b4 was that there was a ninja or a tracker, but i know i had an action interupted np2 and specifically got an 'action failed'. u never claimed to have an action fail, just that u got no result. so i just dont understand how your results make sense with a ninja.
the best possible excuse i could give u for this was that the other scum was also a joat and used like a redirect or ninja on u both times u should have had a result, and a roleblock on me or something np2. but then we have the problem of why would scum have 2 joats... so yeah lots of issues here
2 hours guys
They could have a 2x Ninja, or they had a 1x Ninja and they simply NK'd Vader the first night, so I saw nothing when I watched whiteflame. Not sure. And there's precedent for Rex putting two of the same role in a game.
Ugh. I have no idea which of you it is. I feel like we're just chewing over the same stuff over and over.
I think one of us is probably scum
Forum signatures are bullshit. Nobody wants to waste their time and bandwidth reading something they have read 29,998,559,671,349 times before.
Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/30/2026 at 6:45 PM (post #193)
They could have a 2x Ninja, or they had a 1x Ninja and they simply NK'd Vader the first night, so I saw nothing when I watched whiteflame. Not sure. And there's precedent for Rex putting two of the same role in a game.
Ugh. I have no idea which of you it is. I feel like we're just chewing over the same stuff over and over.
no new developments, just new realizations about balance implications seems like
so the only answer we have between me and wrylys results not getting results but different messages seems to be a second joat with wylted. i think this needs to be somethin to focus on...
We have under two hours left. I really wanna take a shower.
Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/30/2026 at 8:06 PM (post #199)
We have under two hours left. I really wanna take a shower.
Usually doesn't take me that long
Forum signatures are bullshit. Nobody wants to waste their time and bandwidth reading something they have read 29,998,559,671,349 times before.
I will think about this in the shower.
Okay. Can someone explain the two JOATs thing to me like I'm a 2-year-old with a tummy ache.
Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/30/2026 at 7:33 PM (post #204)
Okay. Can someone explain the two JOATs thing to me like I'm a 2-year-old with a tummy ache.
so wylted was a joat, what is his partner? i am claiming i got an action failed message. u have two results that didnt get an action failed message. could be explained by a ninja or a redirector, but that doesnt explain an "action failed" 4 me. so if they have a ninja, that means they have another role preventing thing. which means they are some sort of joat, with wylted being one. my question is if we honestly believe that, because if not, me and u are in conflict based on that
Oh wait I see. So either Banana is lying or the remaining scum has more than one ability. I don't think that's unusual, so I'm not sure that gives me anything. Lemme look up Rex's games again.
Originally Posted by Banana on 7/30/2026 at 9:41 PM (post #205)
Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/30/2026 at 7:33 PM (post #204)
Okay. Can someone explain the two JOATs thing to me like I'm a 2-year-old with a tummy ache.
so wylted was a joat, what is his partner? i am claiming i got an action failed message. u have two results that didnt get an action failed message. could be explained by a ninja or a redirector, but that doesnt explain an "action failed" 4 me. so if they have a ninja, that means they have another role preventing thing. which means they are some sort of joat, with wylted being one. my question is if we honestly believe that, because if not, me and u are in conflict based on that
Yeah I getcha now.
Suikoden mafia, one scum was a JOAT and the second scum got two abilities. Second one wasn't called a JOAT, though, and I don't think two abilities really qualifies as a JOAT.
Ruyi Zhuan mafia both scum naturally got tiered abilities like everyone else.
So there is precedent for Rex giving multiple abilities to each scum. That was a good thought though.
Sigh.
Every time Banana writes 'thot(s)' I read it as my name
Begone thoth
Forum signatures are bullshit. Nobody wants to waste their time and bandwidth reading something they have read 29,998,559,671,349 times before.