Candace Owens Cinematic Universe DP4

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/29/2026 at 3:17 AM (post #58)

Originally Posted by Banana on 7/29/2026 at 4:15 AM (post #56)

on one hand they had only 1x watch so on that basis it makes sense if shes scum too claim odd even since she wont have many chance to prove her role. on the other hand she was the first to claim an odd/even mechanic and now we know there are other odd/even roles so it does give it credbilty but that could just be luuck 2. i was kind of hoping she would have made this a 1 v 1 with a result on one of us, but if she is scum looks like she took the safe route. still not totally convinced its wryly tho. trying to weigh everything how do u think they would have guessed the odd/even thing? i guess mod could have hinted it but that seems basatrd a bit

I'm guessing that Wryly's scum role is odd-night, which led scum to think that there was an even-night town role, so they kept the odd-night part of the claim in so that it would match with the even-night role once it got claimed or flipped.

if she is an scum odd night role i wonder what it is. proly a counter to cop or tracker? ninja or godfather or something. could be a roleblocker but if you and me are both town that like three role preventin roles.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/29/2026 at 3:18 AM (post #60)

Rex never told us what fake-claim information scum got. I guess it's possible that they asked something like, "Is there an even-night role?", and were told yes.

possible, seems like a waste of a question if they could ask questions, but kind of useful ig

Originally Posted by Banana on 7/29/2026 at 4:17 AM (post #59)

u did push wylted but then wryly and wylted kind of also bussed dp1,

Arguing in jest is not a hard-bus.

wylted voted her out the gate and was on her most of the dp, even convinced pie to vote her at one point. he also flat out character claimed her and tried to lead a lynch on her, so that could be seen as more of a bus then your saying wylteds results were false.

My guess is that wylted's vote on Wryly was borne of tension in scum chat. As I said, not the most star-crossed match imaginable. Notwithstanding that it was clear that wylted's early move on Wryly was unlikely to result in her lynch.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/29/2026 at 3:26 AM (post #63)

Originally Posted by Banana on 7/29/2026 at 4:17 AM (post #59)

u did push wylted but then wryly and wylted kind of also bussed dp1,

Arguing in jest is not a hard-bus.

u think it was in jest? he full claimed candace to cc her. i dont think it was in jest. it was either a bus or he was trying to mislynch her imo. im leaning more towards bussy. but its a wierd argument, because in ur mind u think "i wouldn't bus" is an argument in favor of yourselves, i having seen wylted and luna do it in the pitt though think wylted is more likely to do that with his partner, so it kinda feels scummy either way. which isn't a point against u just kind of a neutral point that applies to both of u.

My guess is that wylted's vote on Wryly was borne of tension in scum chat. As I said, not the most star-crossed match imaginable. Notwithstanding that it was clear that wylted's early move on Wryly was unlikely to result in her lynch.

but if we flip that on your claim that you and wylted bussed, you kind of invalidte that 2 bcuz u were seemingly buying into the bus drive talk he was putting out. u were advocating no lynch over lynching him at the end of the day, so if u want to say wrylys bus was weak, so was urs.

again not a point against u, just invalidates ur claim of "i would never bus like that"

He counter-claimed her in a way that could easily be played off as a misunderstanding. It reads as theater to me, not as a genuine bus, especially with how adamant Wryly was about how she was obviously not Candace Owens' left tit and nobody could take that seriously.

My claim that something was wrong with wylted's results couldn't be written off as a joke like that. From your perspective, it might have been a bus, but it would have been an actual bus where the Wryly/wylted debacle early in DP1 was not. I was advocating for the no-lynch because of the possibility of buying us an extra DP if my Commuter succeeded. Also, I knew the mislynch math was presumably going to work out so that we would have 4 DPs total if we VTNL'd on Day 2 and my Commuter failed, which is also how many we would have had if we lynched wylted and my Commuter failed since we would have had to VTNL with 4 people on Day 3.

I was at least 80% sure that wylted was scum at the end of DP2. I no-lynched because of the chance it could buy us another day phase.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/29/2026 at 3:41 AM (post #65)

He counter-claimed her in a way that could easily be played off as a misunderstanding. It reads as theater to me, not as a genuine bus, especially with how adamant Wryly was about how she was obviously not Candace Owens' left tit and nobody could take that seriously.

My claim that something was wrong with wylted's results couldn't be written off as a joke like that. From your perspective, it might have been a bus, but it would have been an actual bus where the Wryly/wylted debacle early in DP1 was not. I was advocating for the no-lynch because of the possibility of buying us an extra DP if my Commuter succeeded. Also, I knew the mislynch math was presumably going to work out so that we would have 4 DPs total if we VTNL'd on Day 2 and my Commuter failed, which is also how many we would have had if we lynched wylted and my Commuter failed since we would have had to VTNL with 4 people on Day 3.

I was at least 80% sure that wylted was scum at the end of DP2. I no-lynched because of the chance it could buy us another day phase.

but even in regards to u and wylted bussing there is other things that stick out to me that makes me think a bus was planned in some regard either way. when u voted luna he immediately votes u and calls u scummy for it, just to vote luna himself a few posts later. u also dont respond to his fos about that at all and just commit to voting him after. just wierd.

anyways my point here is getting of track. my point is that u 100% would bus wylted, and that either way some bussing was done. u saying u wouldnt bus isnt really a clear here. whether wryly is scum and bussed and whether it was less effective or not is kind of irrelvant

also just realized wryly wasnt the first to claim odd/even, i was, and she claimed odd after it. so i guess that point is moot

Nah. wylted is just too dumb to grasp that willingness to vote someone does not equal intent to end the day phase early.

Originally Posted by Banana on 7/29/2026 at 4:53 AM (post #67)

anyways my point here is getting of track. my point is that u 100% would bus wylted, and that either way some bussing was done. u saying u wouldnt bus isnt really a clear here. whether wryly is scum and bussed and whether it was less effective or not is kind of irrelvant

Given mislynch math, I would have pushed for a VTNL on DP2 as town or as scum. If I were going to bus wylted, I would aim to do it on DP3 once more claims were out and more results were in, or at least later in DP2 if it seemed like VTNL would not go through.

That VTNL push would have been regardless of my Commuter btw

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/29/2026 at 4:01 AM (post #69)

Nah. wylted is just too dumb to grasp that willingness to vote someone does not equal intent to end the day phase early.

i dont think hes dumb at all, just trolly.

Given mislynch math, I would have pushed for a VTNL on DP2 as town or as scum. If I were going to bus wylted, I would aim to do it on DP3 once more claims were out and more results were in, or at least later in DP2 if it seemed like VTNL would not go through.

i mean, he did get lynched on dp3 tho..? so how does that help ur point?

Originally Posted by Banana on 7/29/2026 at 5:08 AM (post #72)

i mean, he did get lynched on dp3 tho..? so how does that help ur point?

The bus departed a day before it arrived.

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7o/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp2?comment_number=172

here u say u r ready to vote wylted

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7o/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp2?comment_number=193

here u say you could vote him because u r "that sure"

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7o/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp2?comment_number=198

then bam you just are single handedly the reason we no lynch here.

all this talk about how u "wouldn't bus" but then are just super non committal and r kind of the reason he survived an extra day to use his role the next night. not a good look, and this also looks bad for ur argument about the bus

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7o/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp2?comment_number=204

also u make it sound like wylted is too dumb to bus effectively, but u thought him and pie were bussing? pie wanted wylted bad all dp2. so wylted can only bus when it applies to litrly anyone but u?

I explained all this with the mislynch math and my Commuter. I was trying to buy us another DP. I knew he was scum, I just had no reason to pull the trigger instantly.

I’m not denying that wylted is smart enough to bus. A Pie/wylted scum team wouldn’t have necessarily shared my reasons for VTNLing or why I wouldn’t have bussed.

I knew he was scum, I just had no reason to pull the trigger instantly.

if u 'know' someone is scum theres no reason not to. if u were wrong but u planned on lynching him anyway we still lose. just saying u cant use "i knew he was scum" when his survival and ability to get another night action off was ur fault when u could have hammered him. my excuse was that i wasnt active at least. u were online, active, and claiming u were ready to lynch him just to last minute vtnl out of nowhere....

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7q/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp3?comment_number=21

also to the point about wryly and wylted not really bussing each other except weakly and for a joke, wylted was pushing a wryly/pie scum team dp3

"I know you guys are town because you didn't hammer me."

Wylted catering to me/thoth https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7q/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp3?comment_number=21

further invalidaing the full bus committal that thoth is clinging 2

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7q/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp3?comment_number=68

maybe i miss it but can u give more details on ur character? how does erika kirk interact with candace owens specificly

okay going to compile my current thots on wrly and thoth

Wryly:

townie things:

townpilies pie early for hated claim

townpilies pie early for hated claim. does scum wryly townpile a strong player like pie this early?

defended the luna train against kohai and wylted

big seperation from wylted to wryly dp3, again could be a bus, hard 2 say

scummy things:

wylted votes her out the gate dp1, but doesnt really do anything with the pressure, makes it seem convluted maybe like setting up for a bus. then wylted ccs her and she proceeds to kind of overreactt to that for most of the dp. the whole interaction just feels a bit staged as some others have mentioned, or not natural

wierd push for thoth to claim dp1

townpilies pie early for hated claim

overreacts by people talking about the boob joke and says "oh just lynch me". seemed a lil over the top

vader who died had wryly strongly in his poe

Thoth:

townie things:

wylted switches vote from luna who we now know is town to thoth. could be a bus tho since he instantly revoted luna, but still somethin to consider

says he thinks its pie after hammering wylted, which is a wierd thing to say, but maybe he expected this to give him towncred in lylo? idk at fce value tho kind of a town thing to say

scummy things:

susses wrylys candace boob thing but later says its he townreads it in his reads whiteflame asks him 4

casts lots of early doubt on pies hated claim dp1

whiteflame, who died later, has wryly as a town read and thoth null leaning scum. whiteflame was pressuring thoth to get a clear set of reads from him towards the end of the day. vader also had thoth null in his reads b4 he died

happily wagoned luna dp1 purely on low activity, close to end of time running out where he was likely to be a lynch

pie had thoth in a lot of his poe. https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7o/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp2?comment_number=86 two of his dp2 scum teams had thoth in it

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7o/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp2?comment_number=103 really tries to distance himself from being a scum team with wylted, who was clearly the lynch (also evidences if it was a bus it was probably planned to make him look good)

overall, i think i would have to say wryly seemed scummier from a mechanical view at first, being a watcher with no results, with scum having a watcher as well and also a tracker and a cop existing. thoth isn't the best mechanically either though. another role preventer along with mine is wierd and he also only has two 1x roles? the only person with 1x's so far has been wylted who is scum. also with an ever night tracker and a cop, it makes sense if scum have a counter to that so its possible they have a ninja or redirector i think. if thoth is scum hes probably one of those roles. wryly as scum proly has better odds coming into lylo as scum just trying to make it a 50/50 between her and me or thoth. the conservative play doesnt make a lot of sense here. also claiming watcher when her scum partner had a watcher is just a very risky move for her. if wylted died at any point this would look bad for her, and wylted had claimed early dp2 long before she claimed watcher. at the point where she claimed watcher as well wylted was already kind of doomed with his conflicting claim with thoth. so if it was a planned bus from wryly, this would backfire worse for her than a bus would backfire with thoth. that and thoth non committing to voting wylted dp2 despite being online at the time and saying he was gonna do it, just to not do it last minute and to now justify that he always knew wylted was scum... just makes NO sense to me.

i started the dp scum reading wryly but the more i think about this the more this looks like its just thoth. i just have to accept the idea that there is three investigative roles, including two of the same role, one on each team. which is easier to accept if u consider scum thoth prolly has a ninja or somethin equal to counter it.

yeah i still want to hear more from wryly, but i want to make my opinion about thoth clear now.

can u ask rex how ur role stop would work with the lovers? 4 example say u rolestopped whiteflame, and vader died what would happen?

curious because of the conflicting claim with doctor, want to see if u actually could have prevented a double kill in that situation

reading about a public feud between nick fuentes and candace owens. kind of looks good for wryly, tho could be a fake claim. ig candace owens just had a bunch of conspiracy theories about charlie kirk and erika asks her to stop, kind of makes sense with commuter ig, but the hat sales and re emergence is interesting

i am now realizing not strengthening u kind of made lylo harder than it needed to be. even if I strengthened scum idk how bad the impact would be because i could have confirmed u were lying if u had no results or if u did have results force a 1 v 1 which would have made it a 50/50.

being inactive and inattentive before wasn’t the best. o well

Hey guys a reminder I'm headed to the hospital and will be busy today. I skimmed but I'll respond more fully when I get back. But as for the Watcher thing, if we were scummates wouldn't I have used wylted's 1x Watcher to produce a result I could use to build towncred? Instead I'm 0 for 2 on my results, which hasn't helped my case at all. And if I was his scummate I think I would've been too wary to claim any role that could link me to him if he was lynched, especially given how recklessly he was playing, which is why I don't get the bus conjecture. Why would I bus someone who would create a problem for me if he flipped? If that was the plan I would've claimed something different.

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Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/29/2026 at 8:58 AM (post #86)

Hey guys a reminder I'm headed to the hospital and will be busy today. I skimmed but I'll respond more fully when I get back. But as for the Watcher thing, if we were scummates wouldn't I have used wylted's 1x Watcher to produce a result I could use to build towncred? Instead I'm 0 for 2 on my results, which hasn't helped my case at all. And if I was his scummate I think I would've been too wary to claim any role that could link me to him if he was lynched, especially given how recklessly he was playing, which is why I don't get the bus conjecture. Why would I bus someone who would create a problem for me if he flipped? If that was the plan I would've claimed something different.

i mean i said all the same stuff already, when u catch up you will see i guess. but yeah im kind of townleaning u now. i have a lot of issues with thoth behaviorally. i started scum reading u but now im doing a bit of a 180

if there was a gun to ur head and u were forced to make a decision right now who u think the last scum is who would it be? i know a lot can change in a day and a half, but im curious what ur headspace is in. ive been pretty transparent with mine

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