apparently i misunderstand my role and results. my results mean that the two evils are next to each other on the list. but theres a demon and two minions still.
apparently i misunderstand my role and results. my results mean that the two evils are next to each other on the list. but theres a demon and two minions still.
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/11/2026 at 8:51 PM (post #174)
With the results so far, the likelihood of WF being the Demon is very high. He’s 100% the optimal lynch. The fact he claimed and hasn’t been CCed yet, means that he is the Demon and has the fake claim.
Love how you're the one who said I should publicly claim after I told you what I was and this is where you take it. If I haven't been CC'd yet, then that suggests there's also no other protective role in play, like Soldier. I'm unclear on what balance looks like for one of these games, but the lack of a protective role at all doesn't make a lot of sense balance-wise considering how much investigative manipulation is likely in play.
As for me being the Demon, want to explain that one? Seems like a shot in the dark.
Originally Posted by Banana on 8/11/2026 at 11:45 PM (post #181)
apparently i misunderstand my role and results. my results mean that the two evils are next to each other on the list. but theres a demon and two minions still.
Alright, that's how I thought it worked, that makes more sense based on how your role is worded.
Originally Posted by Banana on 8/11/2026 at 11:13 PM (post #179)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/11/2026 at 6:51 PM (post #174)
With the results so far, the likelihood of WF being the Demon is very high. He’s 100% the optimal lynch. The fact he claimed and hasn’t been CCed yet, means that he is the Demon and has the fake claim.
theres a good chance hes evil, but im thinking hes gonna be minion. kind of seems bastard to put demon next to the empath npo when it could just end the game fast. but its possible. chacnes are they have a spy and are in a chat already and thats why he has that role. if wf flips scum we should look heavily at the chats made before he made that claim
It's been mentioned a couple of times, but you won't see my flip. There are roles that can investigate the dead, but unless I'm literally the Demon, you wouldn't know my flip otherwise.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/11/2026 at 10:15 PM (post #184)
Originally Posted by Banana on 8/11/2026 at 11:13 PM (post #179)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/11/2026 at 6:51 PM (post #174)
With the results so far, the likelihood of WF being the Demon is very high. He’s 100% the optimal lynch. The fact he claimed and hasn’t been CCed yet, means that he is the Demon and has the fake claim.
theres a good chance hes evil, but im thinking hes gonna be minion. kind of seems bastard to put demon next to the empath npo when it could just end the game fast. but its possible. chacnes are they have a spy and are in a chat already and thats why he has that role. if wf flips scum we should look heavily at the chats made before he made that claim
It's been mentioned a couple of times, but you won't see my flip. There are roles that can investigate the dead, but unless I'm literally the Demon, you wouldn't know my flip otherwise.
thats really unfortunate
so i guess we just lynch blindly, paddle around in the dark and hope for the best against an evil team who knows all roles and have the ability to tamper all investigations prolly. idk how to even play a game like this
ok so lets look at results, and take everything with a grain of salt seeing as hteres some potential poisons and drunks etc etc
there are three evil ppl in this set up, 1 demon 2 minions.
assuming shining is town, his POV should be this factorin in my and awesome results. whiteflame and pie cannot be town together tho
6.Neros/pie
7.RexFavilla/pie
8.Shining
9.whiteflame
10.wylted/pie
if shining is lying then we have
7.rex/pie
8.shining/pie
or
8.shining/pie
9.whiteflame
if i am lying and the pair isnt together then the scum combos are
7.rex/pie/banna
8.shining
or
8.shining
9.whiteflame/banana
if awesome is lying and the pair is adjacent, and shining is adjacent to one then we just ignore the pie/wf town v scum mechanic and we have the same as the first one but without pie as a partner
6.Neros
7.RexFavilla
8.Shining
9.whiteflame
10.wylted
the problem is no matter how you look at this whiteflame is implicated in every single on of these situations. not everyone can be poisoned, drunk or a red herring. the odds of the stars aligning perfectly to make whiteflame look bad in this situation... i mean thats just the most unlucky of unlucky situations for him. the sad thing is even if we lynch whiteflame and are wrong we wont know.
but out of the few chats started, it kind of doesnt help his case that him and wylted are in a pm together, and both are kind of implicated by results in 2 of these scenarios. i am thinking both wylted and whiteflame are currently scum.
thots?
the color text didnt work in that post, but i had highlighted shining green and the scum pairs in red. wierd
I would like to respond to some complaints about this game while staying as neutral as possible.
I've seen people say, in this thread and out of it, that this game is confusing, unbalanced, and purely a mechanical deduction game. I get where those complaints are coming from because that's what I thought at first. The more I played it, the more I realized that BotC, at least if your script is good, is a deep, well-balanced, endlessly replayable game where mechanics take a backseat to reading people. Mechanics that seem retarded make perfect sense once you see how they fit into the system of moving parts. Behavior becomes more important than mechanics once everyone knows mechanics.
But the game also has a steep learning curve, probably more so if you've played Mafia before than if you haven't. If nobody knows what's going on, it might not be fun and it definitely will not be balanced. I hope people begin to like this game more as they get more familiar with the mechanics. That's one of the reasons why this game is probably easier to learn in real life: it's much easier to set up another game after everyone crashes and burns through a few to get familiar with the rules.
That said, something I probably should have mentioned in the OP but forgot to. The official BotC box set comes with sheets for each script, and it's common to soft-claim by saying what side of the sheet your role is on, or by pointing to a group of roles and saying you are one of those. I'm not going to bother with Demons and Minions here since I take it that nobody will be claiming those. Here is how the roles are laid out on the official role sheet for Trouble Brewing:
Finally, I will probably cap chats in future day phases to fix the obvious exploit of being able to talk to everyone at once.
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Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/12/2026 at 1:24 AM (post #189)
Left side Townsfolk: Washerwoman, Librarian, Investigator, Chef, Empath, Fortune Teller, Undertaker
Right side Townsfolk: Monk, Ravenkeeper, Virgin, Slayer, Soldier, Mayor
Left side Outsider: Butler, Drunk
Right side Outsider: Recluse, Saint
is there a limit to how many roles can be taken from each category
Originally Posted by Banana on 8/12/2026 at 2:32 AM (post #190)
Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/12/2026 at 1:24 AM (post #189)
Left side Townsfolk: Washerwoman, Librarian, Investigator, Chef, Empath, Fortune Teller, Undertaker
Right side Townsfolk: Monk, Ravenkeeper, Virgin, Slayer, Soldier, Mayor
Left side Outsider: Butler, Drunk
Right side Outsider: Recluse, Saint
is there a limit to how many roles can be taken from each category
Not from each side, if that's what you mean
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VTL: whiteflame
Automated Vote Count
This system-generated vote count was posted on behalf of the main host.
whiteflame (1/6): Magoroth (p#192)
Not Voting (9): awesome5000, Banana, ILikePie5, Kohai (p#108), Neros, RexFavilla, Shining, whiteflame, wylted
With 10 players alive, the base elimination threshold is 6. Configured role modifiers may change vote power or an individual player's threshold. Day phase ends in 2 days, 8 hours.
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Fyi, reaching the lynch threshold does NOT end the day immediately, but I could be persuaded to end a day phase early if there is overwhelming consensus to do so.
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reads
awesome5000-slight slight town- he doesnt have a lot of post to read into, but he had some results that were helpful. he gets slight town points only because for him to be lying he would have to have fortune tellers as fake claim and be demon, or would have to be a spy minion. no chats is helpful in reading him too.
ilikepie5- slight scum- the only behavioral reason i dont like pie is the thing i mentioned before, that he started chats with all players. this culd seem like a pro town move, but its also a good way to use this as a cover to get into a chat with his scum partner. so im pretty wary of him. his only saving grace mech is also kind of what makes him sus tho, is awesomes result. assuming its not tampered with, only one of him and wf can be scum, so if it is wf then hes cleared. if not he is scum. i am a bit underwelmed by his overall activity tho
kohai- slight town- out of all 3 of my pm's i have the most activity in my kohai chat. he is one of the few players to post reads, and seems to be frustrated with game mechanics. with no flips and lots of info tampering roles this game is very demon sided, so if he was scum i dont think he would be as frustrated. could be an act but it seems real. only thing i dont like is that he made a chat with wf, who is likely scum. not the best look.
mago- slight town- started off a bit paranood about poisoner, but hasnt started any chats and is seeming to be suspicious of people with ill explained reasons but an attempt to read ppl is there. would expect more activity from him as well
neros- completely null- said he was going to catch up 5 hours ago then disappears. slight implication if rex is scum based on shinings and my results, but i have no reason to think that atm
Rex- null/ slight town- hinted virgin immedetly then kind of stopped contributing except for to express interest in wf dying. if wf is good rex is prolly scum, again no reason to think that atm. need more activity tho. i can see his role existing in the game tho which makes me wanna town read it. possible its a fake claim tho, but as he points out there seems more risk than benefit with lying about his role since it can be easily proven.
shining- null/slight town- his results if accurate do a lot to solve this puzzle, his activity is low, but thats normal, if not ideal. he claimed immediately tho and hasnt made chats so if hes demon he just used his fake claim immediately.
whiteflame- scum- unfortunately he is on 2 many scum results for me to buy he is town. if he is the demon, thats very unlucky. i still think it would be bastard to put him adjacent to shining if hes demon, so its more likely hes prolly minion imo. but yeah almost every scenario between results puts him in a red check scenario so if hes town then we just kind of have to eat the bullet on that and say oh well, because he is a protect role or is claiming one. if he is demon that could be a fake claim, or one of kohai/wylted/pie is spy and gave him the claim in a chat.
wylted- slight scum- his chat options are basically just me and wf. kind of doesnt make sense why he started those chats. he also seems more active in them then in the dp, which if hes town i dont see why he would do this. he talked a bit in mine, but then wf hinted he talked to ppl in his chats before claiming which suggests wylted pie and kohai talked to him. his overal activity has left a lot to be desired as well. he sounded like he wanted to vote rex to test it, idk if that was to try to get me to town read him, but i think he would have just done it if he wanted to, even with me telling him i dont think he should.
im really sold on a wf/wylted scum team. not sure who the third would be in that group yet.
interested to see how thing go from here
would u be open to voting for rex? if u are town, we can use it to confirm him. theres some possibility he is lying, and if u are actually town, he is likely scum based on shining.
if u r town u can still help us participate and even vote, so not a lot of drawback other than losing ur protection, but if your lynched that will happen anyway. i dont see a lot to get u out of being lynched. plus u think ur gonna die tonight anyway. i think makes the most sense for u to test rex.
VTL Whiteflame
Originally Posted by Banana on 8/12/2026 at 5:40 AM (post #197)
would u be open to voting for rex? if u are town, we can use it to confirm him. theres some possibility he is lying, and if u are actually town, he is likely scum based on shining.
if u r town u can still help us participate and even vote, so not a lot of drawback other than losing ur protection, but if your lynched that will happen anyway. i dont see a lot to get u out of being lynched. plus u think ur gonna die tonight anyway. i think makes the most sense for u to test rex.
Fine, I'll vote him if that's the only means I have left to benefit town anyway.
VTL Rex
Just a heads up, this has been a really shitty morning for several reasons and I'm sure I'll be spending a lot of today on the phone trying to sort things out. That will affect my availability, so if I end up being lynched (either by this mechanic if it's real or by everyone else), I guess I'll be chiming in next DP to pick up the pieces.
Okay, did Rex hard claim Virgin? If so, that should confirm one of them. Nice that WF complied, and we can hassle Rex if WF doesn't die.
Originally Posted by Shining on 8/12/2026 at 11:50 AM (post #200)
Okay, did Rex hard claim Virgin? If so, that should confirm one of them. Nice that WF complied, and we can hassle Rex if WF doesn't die.
If WF were scum and voted for me he wouldn't die. My role only kills the first town who votes for me.
Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 8/12/2026 at 11:04 AM (post #201)
Originally Posted by Shining on 8/12/2026 at 11:50 AM (post #200)
Okay, did Rex hard claim Virgin? If so, that should confirm one of them. Nice that WF complied, and we can hassle Rex if WF doesn't die.
If WF were scum and voted for me he wouldn't die. My role only kills the first town who votes for me.
Assuming you’re telling the truth and not poisoned, and not drunk and exactly Demon. Which is a lot of conditionals.
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/12/2026 at 11:44 AM (post #202)
Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 8/12/2026 at 11:04 AM (post #201)
Originally Posted by Shining on 8/12/2026 at 11:50 AM (post #200)
Okay, did Rex hard claim Virgin? If so, that should confirm one of them. Nice that WF complied, and we can hassle Rex if WF doesn't die.
If WF were scum and voted for me he wouldn't die. My role only kills the first town who votes for me.
Assuming you’re telling the truth and not poisoned, and not drunk and exactly Demon. Which is a lot of conditionals.
yeah all that on top of no flips makes solving things kind of tricky lol
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/12/2026 at 1:44 PM (post #202)
Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 8/12/2026 at 11:04 AM (post #201)
Originally Posted by Shining on 8/12/2026 at 11:50 AM (post #200)
Okay, did Rex hard claim Virgin? If so, that should confirm one of them. Nice that WF complied, and we can hassle Rex if WF doesn't die.
If WF were scum and voted for me he wouldn't die. My role only kills the first town who votes for me.
Assuming you’re telling the truth and not poisoned, and not drunk and exactly Demon. Which is a lot of conditionals.
Don't see what Demon has to do with it?
WF is probably scum, if not demon
hopefully the game ends
we can test Rex tomorrow if necessary
Oh
Does Virgin only work for the first vote period, or the first town vote?
Originally Posted by awesome5000 on 8/12/2026 at 2:23 PM (post #206)
Oh
Does Virgin only work for the first vote period, or the first town vote?
should be first town vote, not counting outsiders
Thoth has posted so obviously Rex is either not Virgin, Poisoned or Whiteflame is Scum if I understand correctly since hes still alive? Has WF claimed because I don’t see it anywhere
Originally Posted by awesome5000 on 12/08/2026 at 23:22 (post #205)
WF is probably scum, if not demon
hopefully the game ends
we can test Rex tomorrow if necessary
Feel like you’re way too confident for what’s happening rn
This game is confusing and even with all the combinations that Banana posted I don’t see what’s so obvious lol