Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 10:53 PM (post #1183)
Wait it has to be luna
Caroler
Watcher
Tracker
All confirmed
And a 1x cop lol
Didn't think about that
Yup. I think you’re right. If the balance somehow includes both a Caroler and a Cop, plus an effective Tracker/Watcher and a Watcher… that’s kind of absurd.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/21/2026 at 8:55 PM (post #1185)
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 10:53 PM (post #1183)
Wait it has to be luna
Caroler
Watcher
Tracker
All confirmed
And a 1x cop lol
Didn't think about that
Yup. I think you’re right. If the balance somehow includes both a Caroler and a Cop, plus an effective Tracker/Watcher and a Watcher… that’s kind of absurd.
Keep in mind that the cop is third party lol
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
Yeah I think im good with luna
I cant buy that many investigation roles. And the result
Sitting on it for the night but that would be wild
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/21/2026 at 10:54 PM (post #1184)
You are the second person to mention the distancing thing so I will respond to this. If that was distancing it was pretty one sided. Magic was pressuring me over essentially nothing and I was defending myself against baseless bullshit. I didn’t even really suspect him until afterwards when he randomly dropped the allegations when I called him a lil bitch. That was what made me wanna investigate him in the first place.
Youve played scum with me enough to know that I distance better than that, and I would actually dishing some FOS back in return. See my distance with Wylted in the Pitt for an example of how I distance.
Maybe. I’ll admit that was a minor point, it’s not anything solid against you.
Pies role describes him as both a tracker and a watcher, not a tracker btw. Shits probably tailored but regardless
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
And why would a cop be tp and be able to joint win lol
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/21/2026 at 10:56 PM (post #1187)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/21/2026 at 8:55 PM (post #1185)
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 10:53 PM (post #1183)
Wait it has to be luna
Caroler
Watcher
Tracker
All confirmed
And a 1x cop lol
Didn't think about that
Yup. I think you’re right. If the balance somehow includes both a Caroler and a Cop, plus an effective Tracker/Watcher and a Watcher… that’s kind of absurd.
Keep in mind that the cop is third party lol
Still gives results that affect POE. I’d pretty much have to believe that your role is flavored to make sense of it.
It literally could not have be fucked with
We see magics flip and there is no way for him to mess with results outside of hitting you exactly with no info about you dp1
So they had to have used something other than a tailor
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 8:56 PM (post #1188)
Yeah I think im good with luna
I cant buy that many investigation roles. And the result
Sitting on it for the night but that would be wild
You are about to lose over the weakest logic ever but okay. Thoth said this was a town sided game, also there is no protective roles in a game with two extra killers, but you can’t wrap your head around copious investigative roles? Okay dude lol
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 8:58 PM (post #1193)
It literally could not have be fucked with
We see magics flip and there is no way for him to mess with results outside of hitting you exactly with no info about you dp1
So they had to have used something other than a tailor
So your claiming mafis had a tailor and chose not to use it? Bro you are an informed townie are you not? Your role said there is a tailor, not a JOAT. You are going to throw the game over the weakest logic ever but okay
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 8:58 PM (post #1193)
It literally could not have be fucked with
We see magics flip and there is no way for him to mess with results outside of hitting you exactly with no info about you dp1
Again they could have targeted Kohai too. And we don’t know what info they did or didn’t have. You are okay with accepting mafia has all these crazy JOAT roles when it comes to making me out to be scum, but dismiss any other way they could have mechanical information outside of that. You’ve had your mind made up from the beginning
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
Thoth told me it could be a joat with a tailor ability
Really, the balance being dramatically off on purpose is the main concern I have, but we've been leaving out what is technically another investigative role: Banana's. She effectively copped be innocent at the cost of her own elimination. That's two roles that give results relating to alignment, and two giving results that relate to movement. Adding a third onto alignment, particularly one that also seemingly confirms the user, seems like dramatic overkill.
Like Mikal, I'm going to sleep on it.
One thing that bothers me: Why wouldn’t scum use a tailor
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 9:02 PM (post #1197)
Thoth told me it could be a joat with a tailor ability
”Could be” but there’s no way that scum could have a role to tell them I was investigative? You see my point? You are catering every ounce of logic into a narrative that makes me scum
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
Should say "copped me innocent," damn I'm tired.
Also lawyer mafia can still show up in carol
Hold up. There’s one big question mark. Why would scum use a tailor message to confirm one as town instead of giving me a fake red check? Mafia would have won much faster if they’d have given me a red check
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/21/2026 at 9:03 PM (post #1198)
Really, the balance being dramatically off on purpose is the main concern I have, but we've been leaving out what is technically another investigative role: Banana's. She effectively copped be innocent at the cost of her own elimination. That's two roles that give results relating to alignment, and two giving results that relate to movement. Adding a third onto alignment, particularly one that also seemingly confirms the user, seems like dramatic overkill.
Like Mikal, I'm going to sleep on it.
Technically informed is an investigative too.
Even if you think I am lying that’s still 4 investigative roles, 3 if you think it’s a stretch to count informed as investigative. 3 is still a lot of investigative roles. No matter how you spin it, it’s confirmed there is an overwhelming amount of investigative roles in this game.
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
Scum has far more motivations to send me a fake red check than a green check
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/21/2026 at 11:06 PM (post #1204)
Hold up. There’s one big question mark. Why would scum use a tailor message to confirm one as town instead of giving me a fake red check? Mafia would have won much faster if they’d have given me a red check
I disagree. If scum had given you a fake red check and the target of that red check had then confirmed themselves or otherwise been confirmed by outside investigation, that would have risked giving the game away. Given that it was do or die, we wouldn't have all rushed to lynch someone you got a red check on, anyway.
Anyway I’m off to bed for real this time. Night
Confirmed multiple investigations actually provided a better case for scum having a counter to it with their other role. So far the only counter that we’ve seen they have is the drug deal, which you keep saying you don’t think was used. So if that’s the case the other scum had it have had a counter to investigation roles if you think there’s any semblance of balance here. You can’t just openly accept I’m a tailor/ messenger JOAT and ignore that Mikal
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/21/2026 at 11:07 PM (post #1205)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/21/2026 at 9:03 PM (post #1198)
Really, the balance being dramatically off on purpose is the main concern I have, but we've been leaving out what is technically another investigative role: Banana's. She effectively copped be innocent at the cost of her own elimination. That's two roles that give results relating to alignment, and two giving results that relate to movement. Adding a third onto alignment, particularly one that also seemingly confirms the user, seems like dramatic overkill.
Like Mikal, I'm going to sleep on it.
Technically informed is an investigative too.
Even if you think I am lying that’s still 4 investigative roles, 3 if you think it’s a stretch to count informed as investigative. 3 is still a lot of investigative roles. No matter how you spin it, it’s confirmed there is an overwhelming amount of investigative roles in this game.
Can't say I agree that the Informed is investigative, but I guess it is at least somewhat akin to a Role Cop. Can't say I agree it's on the same scale as including another Cop who effectively self-confirms to another target.
I'm going to leave it here for the night and revisit this in the morning. Hopefully by then, Rex will at least have chimed in.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/21/2026 at 9:12 PM (post #1210)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/21/2026 at 11:07 PM (post #1205)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/21/2026 at 9:03 PM (post #1198)
Really, the balance being dramatically off on purpose is the main concern I have, but we've been leaving out what is technically another investigative role: Banana's. She effectively copped be innocent at the cost of her own elimination. That's two roles that give results relating to alignment, and two giving results that relate to movement. Adding a third onto alignment, particularly one that also seemingly confirms the user, seems like dramatic overkill.
Like Mikal, I'm going to sleep on it.
Technically informed is an investigative too.
Even if you think I am lying that’s still 4 investigative roles, 3 if you think it’s a stretch to count informed as investigative. 3 is still a lot of investigative roles. No matter how you spin it, it’s confirmed there is an overwhelming amount of investigative roles in this game.
Can't say I agree that the Informed is investigative, but I guess it is at least somewhat akin to a Role Cop. Can't say I agree it's on the same scale as including another Cop who effectively self-confirms to another target.
I mean if its telling us an entire role that exists in the game, it 100% is akin to a role cop. Rolecops generally can't be fucked with either, so its arguably stronger than a cop which can be lawyered, godfathered, or otherwise manipulated.
Take that out of the picture though, and there's still 4 other investigative roles that mikal is claiming mafia have no counter to if they have a 1x messenger/tailor, which is the only basis mikal has to assume I am scum is that I am maybe a messenger lol. Like if I had come out and claimed to have the result on magic I could see why that would be scummy, but I didn't. Someone else completely claimed the result. I had no clue what that result would be. And it's being stretched that I faked it when I didn't even claim it. Do you see how infuriating responding to this type of allegation is lol
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
Wf when you are up iso magics last 2 pages
I think its luna but want to see if you get the same vibe
He rage quit and said "thoth outed mafia" and this was in response to him and luna being paired together. Theb rex claimed he could win if hes killed and I think he was going to rage kill him to try and stop town from winning. Want your thoughts
But a perma watcher
Perma tracker
Informed
A bomb that can kill someone and also confirm a towny
A vig
And a caroler
That 3 investigation roles. 2 of which are every night
Me having info about the last role being a tailor
And Anna's role
That is already insanely town sided
Its the result. For me to buy luna isn't scun
Magic would have had to have targeted him without knowing his chracter or role
Or rex would have had ti redirected him or layered magic. But a lawyer being in this with only 1 investigation role makes no sense. So would have to be a redirect.
Want you to glance over and see if you think hes referring to him and luna or him and rex. But i think his behavior at the end is prob the key
