ok i dont like the day vig claim. thats obv a bit too similr to mine. but its proveable ig...
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Whiteflame's ISO didn't do much, I'm not considering Lunatic, Mikal, Banana, or Kohai
Shining's claim being a gifter that can gift a vigilante sounds kinda like Happy Mask Salesman, the top candidate for 3P. Do we want to 3P hunt here? We don't have many lynches and I doubt Banana will get to use her role with how she just revealed it like that. The 3P never outed, so they're definitely scumsiding.
Gun to head I guess Shining but I don't like it and I havent ISO'd you or Pie yet
I still don’t know what to type!
Originally Posted by wylted on 8/18/2026 at 11:16 PM (post #333)
I am open for any good reasoning that I can buy. My vote is for sale to anybody with better reasoning than my mere gut read assuming I can buy the reasoning
I'll post my thinking on each of them right after this, but they're both just null to me atm for different reasons.
Alright, blitzing some reads. Yes, I've left Mag1c, Wylted and Luna off of here, I'm still working, but since Wylted says he's leaving soon, I figured I'd at least post this much.
Banana - Lean town. It's not so much that she made a mistake with her role that clears her, but rather that she claimed a day role at all. I don't think Thoth would have put the specific timeframe of action at 48 hours if there wasn't one in the game, and so far, no one else has claimed one. Maybe that's just naive - it could always be the case that someone else has a day role and is just saving it - but for now, I don't have any substantive reason to doubt her.
Shining - Null/slight town. I don't like the character claim, particularly for the fact that she's one of five Great Fairies in the game, but I'm balancing that with the reality that scum were given two fake claims and I have a hard time believing that Thoth just thought to randomly insert one of these as that claim. It just feels off. He's shown some willingness to claim if we "twist [his] arm," which I guess is something. He at least is hinting at having something meaningful to hide. Can't say that moves the needle much, though, and I'm torn on what to do about his character claim. Modifying this based on his claim, which at least makes me start to lean town a bit on him. I can see Thoth giving town a lot of tools to kill scum while potentially damaging itself, and it does fit his character pretty closely.
Mikal - Slight town. I can see a world in which Mikal saw that he had a solid fake claim in Tatl, realized she would pair well with Informative, and try to use that to make us concerned about flips. The decision to come out the gate with it helps his case a little, though if he is scum, he could've just asked about the existence of the same role or similar ones. I can't dismiss the possibility, but for now at least, I find it more likely than not that he's telling the truth.
Kohai - Slight town. This is mainly behavioral, a combination of how Magoroth came off in his frustration and how Kohai has behaved since he's arrived. I don't think he's this adamant or active as scum given this situation, and I think if he was, then there would be more of an indication of scumminess from him based on past behavior.
Rex - Null. So null it hurts. Too little here, not nearly enough insight into his thinking. Pointing out that Banana vs. Mago felt like TvT is literally the only opinion he's given beyond a set of loose reads, and even that comes with a grain of salt.
Pie - Null. Can't say I've seen anything that really sticks out in either direction from him. He's taking into account elements of the game, but there's little in the way of reads and no real scum hunting. He's more passive than normal, which raises a small red flag, though that might just be because he's wary of claims due to the fake claims available and the questions.
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RexFavilla (2/6): Shining (p#284), Insomniac (p#305)
Mag1cman (1/6): ILikePie5 (p#257)
Shining (1/6): wylted (p#340)
Not Voting (6): Lunatic (p#138), whiteflame, Banana (p#334), RexFavilla, Mikal, Mag1cman (p#209)
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Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/18/2026 at 11:17 PM (post #335)
we have 1 hour 45 min
Whiteflame's ISO didn't do much, I'm not considering Lunatic, Mikal, Banana, or Kohai
Shining's claim being a gifter that can gift a vigilante sounds kinda like Happy Mask Salesman, the top candidate for 3P. Do we want to 3P hunt here? We don't have many lynches and I doubt Banana will get to use her role with how she just revealed it like that. The 3P never outed, so they're definitely scumsiding.
Gun to head I guess Shining but I don't like it and I havent ISO'd you or Pie yet
I'm hesitant to just shoot for the TP. Just because they didn't out themselves doesn't mean they're scumsiding, there may be mechanics we just don't get yet that require them to stay silent for whatever reason. That being said, yeah, I had this same thought about Shining.
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/18/2026 at 9:18 PM (post #339)
Originally Posted by Banana on 8/18/2026 at 11:16 PM (post #334)
ok i dont like the day vig claim. thats obv a bit too similr to mine. but its proveable ig...
UNVOTE
is this a hard CC
kinda. should i full claim? it might ruin my role from getting used but a day vig wit my role is a bit op imo
Originally Posted by Banana on 8/18/2026 at 11:20 PM (post #344)
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/18/2026 at 9:18 PM (post #339)
Originally Posted by Banana on 8/18/2026 at 11:16 PM (post #334)
ok i dont like the day vig claim. thats obv a bit too similr to mine. but its proveable ig...
UNVOTE
is this a hard CC
kinda. should i full claim? it might ruin my role from getting used but a day vig wit my role is a bit op imo
Yeah full claim
Originally Posted by Banana on 8/18/2026 at 11:20 PM (post #344)
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/18/2026 at 9:18 PM (post #339)
Originally Posted by Banana on 8/18/2026 at 11:16 PM (post #334)
ok i dont like the day vig claim. thats obv a bit too similr to mine. but its proveable ig...
UNVOTE
is this a hard CC
kinda. should i full claim? it might ruin my role from getting used but a day vig wit my role is a bit op imo
I don't think you need to. We can kinda infer what you have based on what you said.
I still don’t know what to type!
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RexFavilla (2/6): Shining (p#284), Insomniac (p#305)
Mag1cman (1/6): ILikePie5 (p#257)
Shining (1/6): wylted (p#340)
Not Voting (6): Lunatic (p#138), whiteflame, Banana (p#334), RexFavilla, Mikal, Mag1cman (p#209)
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Forum signatures are bullshit. Nobody wants to waste their time and bandwidth reading something they have read 29,998,559,671,349 times before.
VTL: Shining
i wont role claim then but lets just say this, with the roles we know of right now, not even including ones we dont know of, we could have 3 deaths in a day, not includin the lynch. so either town is op as heck or someones lyin. or the vig belongs to scum. i can see that one being more likely
Guys we should know the balance in this game is whack if its expected to be decided by day phase 3. I expect every team to be OP as fuck.
If there is anything to make out of this situation its that one of banana or shining is probably a 3rd party vig.
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/18/2026 at 11:26 PM (post #354)
Guys we should know the balance in this game is whack if its expected to be decided by day phase 3. I expect every team to be OP as fuck.
If there is anything to make out of this situation its that one of banana or shining is probably a 3rd party vig.
GTMH shining is scum banana is town.
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Shining (2/6): wylted (p#340), Insomniac (p#351)
Mag1cman (1/6): ILikePie5 (p#257)
RexFavilla (1/6): Shining (p#284)
Not Voting (6): Lunatic (p#138), whiteflame, Banana (p#334), RexFavilla, Mikal, Mag1cman (p#209)
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Forum signatures are bullshit. Nobody wants to waste their time and bandwidth reading something they have read 29,998,559,671,349 times before.
Keeping the last 3 brief:
Luna - Null/slight town. Can't dismiss him entirely, but like with Mag1c, I think his responses don't match what I'd expect to see from early pressure if Luna was scum. Maybe I'm just not giving him enough credit, and this is still a weak behavioral read.
Mag1c - Slight town. The last minute reads are swinging me towards trusting him a little more, I think they all read as pretty genuine. Hasn't finished yet (here I am doing the same), but if this was an attempt to get a specific lynch, he's not using it like I'd expect to see if he's scum.
Wylted - Null/slight town. A bit easily side-tracked, though he's been focused here at the end of the DP. I can at least understand where he's coming from on his votes and I don't think he puts it out to others to help make the choice for him if he's scum. That's based on what I remember from his previous times playing as scum, though I could be misremembering, it's late and I'm tired.
So yeah, Pie and Rex seem like reasonable choices, but if there's really a solid CC going here, then I'd at least have to consider Shining.
Shining or banana can you confirm if your third party? Will you townside if we spare you?
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
