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Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/25/2026 at 9:36 PM (post #29)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/25/2026 at 6:23 PM (post #20)

It's impossible for me to make an educated decision about whether to vote Yes or No without knowing what role will be revealed publicly or what advantage Mafia will gain if we vote Yes. Instead of agreeing which way to vote, I think we are better off MacGyvering this into a bargain-bin Sensor. Mafia probably know which role will be revealed and what advantage they will get if we vote Yes. If we conspire to vote roughly 50/50 and we all announce which way we are voting, and then the vote swings differently than the public claims predict, we will have a decent PoE for who lied about their vote.

Believe it or not, Thoth can fake this. But the idea doesn't seem bad. Splitting town in half and saying "there's scum in this half" could help narrow PoE in some endgames or scum v town clashes. It's limited in its usefulness, but it could be worth it.

Thoth's assumption that mafia knows what role would get revealed, and what power they would gain is interesting, possibly TMI.

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Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/25/2026 at 10:47 AM (post #2)

I voted no. I think it’s better to go on the safe side and not give scum an unknown advantage when there’s no information on what that advantage is.

So how do you know the benefits outweigh the harms? Or are you just saying act like it doesn’t even exist?

Originally Posted by Casey_Risk on 8/25/2026 at 12:55 PM (post #3)

Checking in. I have no theme knowledge this time around, in fact I had never even heard of the show before today. It does seem interesting, however.

Good to see you back

Originally Posted by wylted on 8/25/2026 at 1:09 PM (post #4)

SOP claim. I am a paranoid gun owner.

Sarah myers apparently voices told her to kill everyone that arrived or something

Cool, if no good option, we will policy lynch this

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/25/2026 at 1:30 PM (post #10)

As for the vote for information, yeah screw that. I am not sure it’s worth risking buffing the mafia over some information. I am mostly indifferent if people wanna go that way, I can vote that way, but my own opinion I am leaning towards a no vote.

Theres a cheese strat where we force 4 people to vote yes, and if it doesn’t go through, it’s basically confirmed that there’s scum in that pool. I don’t think Banana thought of this though

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/25/2026 at 1:39 PM (post #13)

Getting flashbacks to castlevania. Seems like Wylted skimmed his characters wiki and missed a lot of details before making his fake claim lol

Possibly. Do you think scum chose option 1 or option 2 for fake claims. That’s a key piece

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/25/2026 at 1:45 PM (post #16)

Originally Posted by wylted on 8/25/2026 at 12:42 PM (post #14)

I'm not gonna fake claim unprompted.

Why don't you do a Google search for my name with the word "PGO"

Next to it to see my prior discussions on this and cut it out fool

I mean I did think about that, you could be baiting or something. But at the same time it’s kind of an obvious play and unless mafia is precisely two people who aren’t the greatest, chances are it won’t fool them. And it still doesn’t explain getting the justification wrong. If you didn’t mess up like that in castlevania I’d be more willing to consider you were doing some kind of ploy here. I mean I am open to it, but I kind of want to hear other people’s thoughts here

The way I see it, there are 3 options:

1) He’s straight claiming his character as scum and asked about PGO

2) He asked about both character and PGO

3) He’s Town and PGO

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/25/2026 at 2:49 PM (post #18)

Isn’t it wylted’s shtick that he’s really bad at fake claiming as scum or something? I heard this before from others but idk myself, I dunno this theme however

He is, if he’s the leader of the group. Like if it was Wylted/Kohai or Wylted/Thoth, I would expect the claim to be horrible. If it was Wylted/Luna or Wylted/Magic or Wylted/Casey, I would expect the claims to check out.

Also, is it common for PGOs to claim here? I can see the arguments for it and it seems believable people would do this here

Yes, it’s an SOP. I treat it like a policy lynch though

I myself, would not do it, but then again Veteran or whatever is a rare role, I don’t think I’ve seen it more than once or twice in like 50 games or so.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/25/2026 at 5:30 PM (post #23)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/25/2026 at 4:29 PM (post #22)

I asked Banana some questions about my role, and, if I understand the answers correctly, they tilt me towards believing PGO is unlikely. I'm sussing wylted, but I guess it's possible.

The more I thought about it the more I think he's probably town doing some stupid shit that probably won't work. But I'll let him cook.

I think I know what he’s doing. But if you do too, then it’s not as obscure lol

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/25/2026 at 8:42 PM (post #31)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/25/2026 at 9:36 PM (post #29)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/25/2026 at 6:23 PM (post #20)

It's impossible for me to make an educated decision about whether to vote Yes or No without knowing what role will be revealed publicly or what advantage Mafia will gain if we vote Yes. Instead of agreeing which way to vote, I think we are better off MacGyvering this into a bargain-bin Sensor. Mafia probably know which role will be revealed and what advantage they will get if we vote Yes. If we conspire to vote roughly 50/50 and we all announce which way we are voting, and then the vote swings differently than the public claims predict, we will have a decent PoE for who lied about their vote.

Believe it or not, Thoth can fake this. But the idea doesn't seem bad. Splitting town in half and saying "there's scum in this half" could help narrow PoE in some endgames or scum v town clashes. It's limited in its usefulness, but it could be worth it.

Thoth's assumption that mafia knows what role would get revealed, and what power they would gain is interesting, possibly TMI.

Thoth is a guy we need to solve early. I’m tired of him shitting the bed at MYLO/LYLO.

VTL: Thoth

Also before anyone says oh wow Pie is so active. Yes I am because our three year strategic plan is complete and so it’s downtime till close begins next Tuesday

Wylted - Sarah Myers - PGO

Pie - ??? - ???

Lunatic - ??? - ???

Magic - ??? - ???

Kohai - ??? - ???

Thoth - ??? - ???

REF - ??? - ???

Casey - ??? - ???

Mago- ??? - ???

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/25/2026 at 10:07 PM (post #43)

Also before anyone says oh wow Pie is so active. Yes I am because our three year strategic plan is complete

Do you work for Oceania?

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/25/2026 at 8:42 PM (post #31)

Thoth's assumption that mafia knows what role would get revealed, and what power they would gain is interesting, possibly TMI.

I'm not assuming anything. I'm mentioning the possibility. Scum tend to get more information than town does. That's kind of the core of Mafia.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/25/2026 at 9:57 PM (post #37)

Theres a cheese strat where we force 4 people to vote yes, and if it doesn’t go through, it’s basically confirmed that there’s scum in that pool. I don’t think Banana thought of this though

You sound opposed to it. Coming from you, that's enough behavioral information that I am tempted to give into the urge to OMGUS. I would expect you to be the first person other than Mikal to exploit a bug.

The possibility of clearing four townies is even more titillating than a 1-in-4 PoE. That basically guarantees at least one confirmed townie at MYLO/LYLO.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/25/2026 at 8:42 PM (post #31)

Thoth's assumption that mafia knows what role would get revealed, and what power they would gain is interesting, possibly TMI.

If anything, I would declare TMI Magoroth's assumption in post #2 that scum don't know what the advantage is.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/25/2026 at 8:54 PM (post #34)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/25/2026 at 10:47 AM (post #2)

I voted no. I think it’s better to go on the safe side and not give scum an unknown advantage when there’s no information on what that advantage is.

So how do you know the benefits outweigh the harms? Or are you just saying act like it doesn’t even exist?

So let's say we find out the role is a Godfather or roleblocker or something. Does that really help us that much in the grand scheme of things, when those are common to scum anyway? Just have to weigh if the knowledge is worth a potential buff.

Theres a cheese strat where we force 4 people to vote yes, and if it doesn’t go through, it’s basically confirmed that there’s scum in that pool. I don’t think Banana thought of this though

Down to try it, not sure if there is a way for scum to game that, id have to think about it more, but at face value seems like a decent strategy.

Possibly. Do you think scum chose option 1 or option 2 for fake claims. That’s a key piece

If Wylted is scum, I'd guess they chose two fake claims. Otherwise, I have no clue.

The way I see it, there are 3 options:

1) He’s straight claiming his character as scum and asked about PGO

2) He asked about both character and PGO

3) He’s Town and PGO

Of the those options, I doubt 3 is likely, just based on how the he justified the role completely incorrectly. Wiki backs up what I am saying if you look her up. Looks like he poorly skimmed the wiki and threw that together. Sarah doesn't want to kill anyone and everyone entering the town, just the Matthews family and jade because she was threated her brother would die or something like that.

I guess that could be a real justification in the loosest form possible if banana didn't put any effort into character sheets.

I think I know what he’s doing. But if you do too, then it’s not as obscure lol

If he's town I don't know what he's doing, but I know he's up to something. Hopefully its more big brained than it appears at face value lol.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/25/2026 at 10:21 PM (post #50)

So let's say we find out the role is a Godfather or roleblocker or something. Does that really help us that much in the grand scheme of things, when those are common to scum anyway? Just have to weigh if the knowledge is worth a potential buff.

The offer implies that scum have a role where just knowing about it helps town. This is useful information in and of itself. Like, knowing that scum have a roleblocker is not very helpful since we would probably find that out by day 2 and would probably choose the same targets for our night actions anyway, but knowing that scum have a Godfather could change how a Cop plays.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/25/2026 at 10:21 PM (post #50)

I guess that could be a real justification in the loosest form possible if banana didn't put any effort into character sheets.

I think my justification is solid. Let me check the wiki.

Expanding on post #51, a PGO claim could be from a scum role that does not want to be visited. I wonder what that could be

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/25/2026 at 10:57 PM (post #37)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/25/2026 at 1:30 PM (post #10)

As for the vote for information, yeah screw that. I am not sure it’s worth risking buffing the mafia over some information. I am mostly indifferent if people wanna go that way, I can vote that way, but my own opinion I am leaning towards a no vote.

Theres a cheese strat where we force 4 people to vote yes, and if it doesn’t go through, it’s basically confirmed that there’s scum in that pool. I don’t think Banana thought of this though

Possibly a pairing of Thoth/Pie

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/25/2026 at 11:06 PM (post #42)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/25/2026 at 8:42 PM (post #31)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/25/2026 at 9:36 PM (post #29)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/25/2026 at 6:23 PM (post #20)

It's impossible for me to make an educated decision about whether to vote Yes or No without knowing what role will be revealed publicly or what advantage Mafia will gain if we vote Yes. Instead of agreeing which way to vote, I think we are better off MacGyvering this into a bargain-bin Sensor. Mafia probably know which role will be revealed and what advantage they will get if we vote Yes. If we conspire to vote roughly 50/50 and we all announce which way we are voting, and then the vote swings differently than the public claims predict, we will have a decent PoE for who lied about their vote.

Believe it or not, Thoth can fake this. But the idea doesn't seem bad. Splitting town in half and saying "there's scum in this half" could help narrow PoE in some endgames or scum v town clashes. It's limited in its usefulness, but it could be worth it.

Thoth's assumption that mafia knows what role would get revealed, and what power they would gain is interesting, possibly TMI.

Thoth is a guy we need to solve early. I’m tired of him shitting the bed at MYLO/LYLO.

VTL: Thoth

hmmm or maybe not

...although Pie could have a claim ready. I've seen him run this one before I think

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/25/2026 at 10:30 PM (post #54)

Possibly a pairing of Thoth/Pie

Possibly Pie figuring it out before he read up to my posts and tryna claim credit for my discovery

I could say a lot of things about Pie but nobody ever accused him of being stupid

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/25/2026 at 9:28 PM (post #51)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/25/2026 at 10:21 PM (post #50)

So let's say we find out the role is a Godfather or roleblocker or something. Does that really help us that much in the grand scheme of things, when those are common to scum anyway? Just have to weigh if the knowledge is worth a potential buff.

The offer implies that scum have a role where just knowing about it helps town. This is useful information in and of itself. Like, knowing that scum have a roleblocker is not very helpful since we would probably find that out by day 2 and would probably choose the same targets for our night actions anyway, but knowing that scum have a Godfather could change how a Cop plays.

In general, I'd at least most mods would give scum some sort of counter to a cop. However, you may be cooking with the point about the offer implying that town knowing this role could mean its a useful role to know about. I could probably be swayed into a yes.

I think my justification is solid. Let me check the wiki.

Mine is too, at best you can say the role link doesn't check out like crazy, but in the very least the description of the character seems accurate.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/25/2026 at 9:30 PM (post #54)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/25/2026 at 10:57 PM (post #37)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/25/2026 at 1:30 PM (post #10)

As for the vote for information, yeah screw that. I am not sure it’s worth risking buffing the mafia over some information. I am mostly indifferent if people wanna go that way, I can vote that way, but my own opinion I am leaning towards a no vote.

Theres a cheese strat where we force 4 people to vote yes, and if it doesn’t go through, it’s basically confirmed that there’s scum in that pool. I don’t think Banana thought of this though

Possibly a pairing of Thoth/Pie

Basically anyone who supports a "Yes" vote I am guessing? lol

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/25/2026 at 9:34 PM (post #57)

I could say a lot of things about Pie but nobody ever accused him of being stupid

Nah he's not stupid. He's retarded!