From mafia - Game Over

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/1/2026 at 7:15 PM (post #939)

Ok, but he put them all on separate lines. You're telling me scum just had this open while typing that? I think it's a coincidence.

And this doesn't erase any of my behavioral arguments. He's not joining you on Magoroth because he knows he can't. Pie has an incentive to pick him. And the fact that Pie clearly copypasted something from scum chat is a tell that he accepted help from an experienced player.

eh. It can't be a coincidence bc Wylted is the only name not capitalized.

Sure.

I'll drop the argument on the first paragraph. But my point in the second paragraph remains.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/1/2026 at 7:06 PM (post #934)

Originally Posted by wylted on 9/1/2026 at 7:02 PM (post #931)

It might be a post by pie or Kohai though so I have to do their handwriting analysis

both of them would've been dead when i received this message. I'm asking Banana if my results can include messages from dead scum. If not, I'm either making things up or it was typed by Mikal. And if I can receive messages from dead scum, that would be really stupid.

This is still very much an angle and I'm still awaiting a response from Banana to my question.

Lowkey I just stopped reading what magic is posting. Town or scum hes just spamming and the arguments are retarted. Lmk the order and im down to hit either

Originally Posted by wylted on 9/1/2026 at 5:22 PM (post #945)

Lunatic what are your thoughts?

I think magics role is real at the very least, could have been recruited though. I am not sure I am 100% on board with the logic of mikal being confirmed scum based on the words "ml" and a double space, however I do think mikal behaviorally is at least setting off some alarms. The fact that that message in magics pm clearly states that they need two mislynches to win, and mikal seems to have 2 people lined up for a lynch, exactly me and magic, and doesn't seem to consider you or mago options at all seems like TMI. I don't see how he could say that you guys are innocent beyond a shadow of a doubt when literally anyone could have been recruited. The fact that he is hard set on me and magic being scum makes it look like he is setting us up as both lynches. And he's throwing his weight around confidently, expecting you both to wagon him saying things like "I know wylted will vote with me" type shit just seems like is trying to manipulate you.

If I was leaning a direction it would be mikal, but I don't want to dismiss the possibility both him and magic are town here. I am literally considering everyone. I'll have more extensive thoughts when I get to work tonight.

There is no shot pie picked mago lol. You know how much he bitches about him thoth and innactives. Sorry im bias but kohai did not pick that. Pie would want you or magic.

I dont trust my gut enough and it lost me last game. So going with my gut and its one of you two. Talked myself out of winning last game. Not doing it again

Im good with either. You can make the call as long as wd commit to shooting both

Actually yeah im good with you on luna

Reading back, he was on mago and since im so adamant its him or magic. Hes now shifting to me because magic is saying no to mago and you are agreeing with me. Hes taking the lynch that's open

Im good with starting on luna and then hitting magic tomorrow

If its luna. Hes prob the watcher and gave pie his role which would give pie a reason to be visiting magic if he got caught.

They are going to put me at l1 cus one of them will wagon the other.

Really will be up to mago

But yeah. I know its one of them two and im staying there.

But the swap from mago to me when no one agreeing, im good with starting him first and deal with magic tomorrow if needed. Going to lol if magic is town with all these retartes ass theories and bad reads

VTL: Lunatic

Will you two go ahead and pur me at l1

And wylted will you go on luna.

Dont want to scramble last min and kinda just skip the bullshit since 5his is where its going

Going to sleep soon but if mag goes me over luna.

And its a magic or luna situation tomorrow its going to be a hard pick but both are possible. With luna swapping to me since magic is on me and abandoning mago

Gun to my head. Id pick him over magic but optimally we shoot both and just confirm the win.

Really do not think is wylted or mago

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Lunatic (1/3): Mikal (p#956)

Mikal (1/3): Mag1cman (p#862)

Not Voting (3): Lunatic, wylted (p#924), Magoroth

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Lmao the fact that you vote me because I called you out on narrow reads is pretty funny. There was a yakuza bro…

Mikal went from wanting to sheep me last day phase to wanting to vote me because I didn’t immediately side with him lol

Last dp was before pies flip. You bus for fun and consider them free wins

And I think its you or magic. So im find with starting you and not omgus or whatever. But you literally pushed mag and shifted after magic was on me. Seems like mago was a mislynch and you are taking what is open since magic would not go with you on that and wylted and i are pairing. Idc what order we do but cant shake the fact pie went to magic and tried go fuck with his actions and claimed watcher in case he was seen and ifs not magic its you. Its def one of you

But can we please skip all this

You aren't going to get a mago lynch so put your vote on me and mago can pick between you and I. Dragging this out is retarted.

Mag if you go me

You are prob going to be alive with luna and magic tomorrow

If that happens. Its prob luna.

I mean pie could have bullshited who he visited and his claim but the j what I said above makes more sense. Play is to kill them both but putting it here as a last will cus no idea what your thinking in case you hit me. But lowkey im like 95 percent sure its one of them and 60 40 on luna based on how he shifted off you since no one would go with him.

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Lunatic (1/3): Mikal (p#956)

Mikal (1/3): Mag1cman (p#862)

Not Voting (3): Lunatic, wylted (p#924), Magoroth

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Originally Posted by Mikal on 9/1/2026 at 7:55 PM (post #950)

Lowkey I just stopped reading what magic is posting. Town or scum hes just spamming and the arguments are retarted. Lmk the order and im down to hit either

Lol that's because you've already lost the argument. Now ur jusr defaulting to ignoring.

"oh yeah that mag1c guy is just spamming like a retard.. his arguments are trash don't look into those, mmmkay?"

Pay attention, folks. All he can do is play the optics game.

Originally Posted by Mikal on 9/1/2026 at 9:11 PM (post #956)

VTL: Lunatic

lol.

Originally Posted by Mikal on 9/1/2026 at 7:11 PM (post #955)

Actually yeah im good with you on luna

Reading back, he was on mago and since im so adamant its him or magic. Hes now shifting to me because magic is saying no to mago and you are agreeing with me. Hes taking the lynch that's open

I actually disagreed that magics results mean what he think they means, and defended you against the "ml" and double space thing. The only reason I am suspicious of you is because you are completely ignoring two players who could have been recruited for the WIFOM you choose to believe. This demonstrates TMI. You are hoping to cater to wylted and mago because you need them to secure a vote, so breaking up your two mislynch targets in teams is beneficial to you as scum since you still need to secure votes. You hope by playing into wylted or magos ego you can secure their vote, because you absolutely need them to bandwagon you to win this game if you are scum. That's the only explanation I can see for your behavior here. That or your just ultra paranoid from the last game and are trying to get ahead of it in this one, idk man. You are always suspicious of me, every time I am town you are to, I expect it. But How do you go from town reading me yesterda after the yakuza already went off and you are saying you will sheep me, to voting me because I don't isntantly side with you?

Im good with starting on luna and then hitting magic tomorrow

If its luna. Hes prob the watcher and gave pie his role which would give pie a reason to be visiting magic if he got caught.

Banana had three vanillas in her last game, you really think there isn't any in this game? I thought there would be at least 1-2 more.

They are going to put me at l1 cus one of them will wagon the other.

I haven't even voted you dog. I wasn't even considering voting you before you started actin a fool.

Originally Posted by Mikal on 9/1/2026 at 6:29 PM (post #953)

There is no shot pie picked mago lol. You know how much he bitches about him thoth and innactives. Sorry im bias but kohai did not pick that. Pie would want you or magic.

This is literally the exact reason why pie would pick mago, because he would know you would use this type of logic. Also pie is always a "mechanics over behavior" person. If he thought any of them were a power role, or thought wylted was a dreamer like I did, he would pick them to prevent them from being used on him. It's all WIFOM, but adamantly choosing to believe WIFOM of who pie would and wouldn't recruit in this situation when he was the number 2 lynch target dp1 behind rex, is just wild. Pie thinking he is cooked, is not going to go for the obvious recruits.

I dont trust my gut enough and it lost me last game. So going with my gut and its one of you two. Talked myself out of winning last game. Not doing it again

So your basing your decision off of paranoia? I mean you will be wrong if you do, sorry to tell you. You can use "lynch lunatic" every game until your lucky and eventually get me, but you will be wrong a lot in the process, and ou will be wrong here too.

Originally Posted by Mikal on 9/1/2026 at 8:32 PM (post #962)

Last dp was before pies flip. You bus for fun and consider them free wins

If I was scum there was 0 point in bussing Pie after his watcher claim. I remained just as consistent in lynching him as I was before Thoth claimed a guilty result on him lol. Bussing to bus is not something I do. If I am bussing there has to be a point to it, and if your argument was that I was recruited there was no reason to keep bussing him when he claimed watcher.

And I think its you or magic. So im find with starting you and not omgus or whatever. But you literally pushed mag and shifted after magic was on me.

I didn't push mag wtf are you talking about? I didn't shift to you, I didn't even vote you. I mentioned that it was scummy that you aren't counting two people as recruit options, and rather than defend that logic, you omgus'ed me lmao.

Seems like mago was a mislynch and you are taking what is open since magic would not go with you on that and wylted and i are pairing. I

Seriously don't know what the fuck you are talking about dude. This whole sentence is just mad confusing lol

dc what order we do but cant shake the fact pie went to magic and tried go fuck with his actions and claimed watcher in case he was seen and ifs not magic its you. Its def one of you

But can we please skip all this

You aren't going to get a mago lynch so put your vote on me and mago can pick between you and I. Dragging this out is retarted.

You are tripping.

Originally Posted by Mikal on 9/1/2026 at 8:38 PM (post #963)

Mag if you go me

You are prob going to be alive with luna and magic tomorrow

If that happens. Its prob luna.

I mean pie could have bullshited who he visited and his claim but the j what I said above makes more sense. Play is to kill them both but putting it here as a last will cus no idea what your thinking in case you hit me. But lowkey im like 95 percent sure its one of them and 60 40 on luna based on how he shifted off you since no one would go with him.

Can you PLEASE explain this? Was I ever on mago? Please prove this, literally anywhere dude. You are either mis-remembering or blatantly lying. I defended him against pie last day phase, and said there was no world in which I was lynching him over pie lol. You need to stop capping bro.

Mikals claim that I am switched on him is FALSE. I was literally defending him against magic being implicated by his result:

"Magics role is a lot to process, but I’m not as convinced it nails scum in Mikal down. I think all of us have abbreviated mislynch as ml before and the spacing thing is kind of a meh argument."

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-3?page=31&comment_number=878

Mikals claim that I was pusing magoroth is FALSE. I defended mago against pie last day phase, I have never voted mago or even sussed him. I came into this day phase saying we should be wary of every person.

"There is no universe where I would ever support a mago lynch over lynching you. Lucky for you I can’t vote. But I think town is smarter than this."

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-3?page=26&comment_number=747

Originally Posted by wylted on 9/1/2026 at 9:30 PM (post #971)

You have a scum read and are violating rule 273 by arguing with your scum read. Just vote

Other way around, Mikal is scum reading me. I still want to look into every other person as well, in case magic v mikal is town v town. Scum locking themselves into a 1 v 1 with two mislynches left is riskier than it should be so I am not totally sold yet that there is one scum between these two.

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