Epstein's Island Mafia DP1

Does anyone want to pocket me? I will allow it just this once

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/7/2026 at 12:42 AM (post #178)

I doubt people can guess my role based on my character so I don’t mind claiming it tbh. It’s not exactly a role I’ve seen before lol

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/8f/epsteins-island-mafia-dp1?comment_number=31

What was it abot this post you scum read?

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/7/2026 at 12:46 AM (post #181)

Does anyone want to pocket me? I will allow it just this once

I wanna pickpocket you. Give me all your money!

Originally Posted by Kohai on 06/10/2026 at 21:11 (post #31)

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/6/2026 at 3:07 PM (post #30)

thank you helz

right now we are in a period called RVS (random voting stage). We are basically just trying to get a feel for folks and randomly vote.

Day 1, as you’ll learn, is mostly a crap shoot as we are working with nearly no information.

As the game progresses we can look back at these earlier stages and look at how people responded to pressure, claims, etc

This is gonna sound dumb but what it was purely vibes and it was this in particular I scumread.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 07/10/2026 at 8:50 (post #183)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/7/2026 at 12:46 AM (post #181)

Does anyone want to pocket me? I will allow it just this once

I wanna pickpocket you. Give me all your money!

I would if I had any to give :S

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/7/2026 at 12:43 AM (post #179)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 07/10/2026 at 4:15 (post #163)

I guess if I had an NP1 cop, it's between Pie and Noah.

I hate reading noobs; having certainty on Pie is always great.

I'm highkey thankful Noah claimed even it wasn't a good play. It helps.

Before anyone says otherwise: I don’t think this is alignment indicative. Scum can make a mistake like this too

Also kinda interesting you jumped in to cover Mag1c's Pie thing before anyone even pushed on it. Not saying it's scummy by itself, but Mag1c was tempted to townread you earlier too. Gonna keep an eye on that.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 10/6/2026 at 11:37 PM (post #177)

I have a sus on Helz that I have not ISO’d to confirm yet. I’ll get it in the morning.

If you've got a Helz sus, just drop the gist now even if it's rough. Saying you have one and then not saying what it is doesn't help anyone.

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 06/10/2026 at 19:53 (post #6)

I'm David Copperfield, ig I vanished the statue of liberty and my property taxes

Question is, since Noah is pretty new would he just instantly claim like this as scum? Does Mafia have a night 0 chat or something like that? It looks kinda towny for a person to claim so fast

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 07/10/2026 at 8:52 (post #186)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/7/2026 at 12:43 AM (post #179)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 07/10/2026 at 4:15 (post #163)

I guess if I had an NP1 cop, it's between Pie and Noah.

I hate reading noobs; having certainty on Pie is always great.

I'm highkey thankful Noah claimed even it wasn't a good play. It helps.

Before anyone says otherwise: I don’t think this is alignment indicative. Scum can make a mistake like this too

Also kinda interesting you jumped in to cover Mag1c's Pie thing before anyone even pushed on it. Not saying it's scummy by itself, but Mag1c was tempted to townread you earlier too. Gonna keep an eye on that.

I had thought people would call Mag1c town for this, not scummy so I’m not really covering for him unless I misunderstood what you’re saying

My reasoning being that people would say scum would know who’s in the game or who isn’t which is why ppl would townread this, but I think it’s entirely possible for scum to make this mistake. Anyway I don’t scum read or town read Mag1c at this point, my point is just that derp is not alignment indicative.

If I really had to hazard a guess, I would say slight town lean on Mag1c because

1) he seems slightly theatrical like in the previous game and he was town there, and I incorrectly scumread him for it

2) he seems to be dropping slightly wild/out of the blue takes, kinda disjointed which is Townish

So yeah slight Town lean on Mag1c I guess

Whiteflame seems to be doing the thing where he just summarises the game? It does feel somewhat better than in my previous games with him though. I can’t say I have much of a read on him at this stage.

Part of me wants to vote Helz and say he is trying to gatekeep the game. Not that he doesn’t do this as Town as well but would be interesting to see where this leads

VTL: Helz

Ok but that's the part I said I wasn't really on you for. Twice now I've asked about the Kohai vote and you haven't touched it. What was it about that post? Even "it felt like X" is better than nothing.

Also why tell us your role is weird? Nobody asked, and it just tells scum there's something interesting about you.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 07/10/2026 at 9:08 (post #192)

Ok but that's the part I said I wasn't really on you for. Twice now I've asked about the Kohai vote and you haven't touched it. What was it about that post? Even "it felt like X" is better than nothing.

Also why tell us your role is weird? Nobody asked, and it just tells scum there's something interesting about you.

WELLLLLL it felt like he was being noncommittal if I had to put a finger on the feeling that post gave me

Also, I said it’s weird but I didn’t say whether it’s useful or not.

Non-commital’s not really the right word but I don’t know how to put it. Subtly manipulative/trying to look towny can be added there too

I am around if you would like me to ask anything. Kinda struggling to engage. Started and stopped making a read wall a few times.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/7/2026 at 1:22 AM (post #194)

Non-commital’s not really the right word but I don’t know how to put it. Subtly manipulative/trying to look towny can be added there too

Yeah non committal doesn't really make sense for kohai explaining RVS phase to a noobie. I guess I am just trying to figure out what it was that he was manipulating there, I don't see it lol. Seem's like an odd post to pick to sus someone which pings me that you are potentially manufacturing reads.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 07/10/2026 at 9:47 (post #196)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/7/2026 at 1:22 AM (post #194)

Non-commital’s not really the right word but I don’t know how to put it. Subtly manipulative/trying to look towny can be added there too

Yeah non committal doesn't really make sense for kohai explaining RVS phase to a noobie. I guess I am just trying to figure out what it was that he was manipulating there, I don't see it lol. Seem's like an odd post to pick to sus someone which pings me that you are potentially manufacturing reads.

Nah I’m not manufacturing reads. Sometimes I get wild reads from nothing. It’s just hard to explain

Originally Posted by Helz on 07/10/2026 at 9:24 (post #195)

I am around if you would like me to ask anything. Kinda struggling to engage. Started and stopped making a read wall a few times.

I’ll be getting into this a bit later

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/7/2026 at 3:30 AM (post #197)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 07/10/2026 at 9:47 (post #196)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/7/2026 at 1:22 AM (post #194)

Non-commital’s not really the right word but I don’t know how to put it. Subtly manipulative/trying to look towny can be added there too

Yeah non committal doesn't really make sense for kohai explaining RVS phase to a noobie. I guess I am just trying to figure out what it was that he was manipulating there, I don't see it lol. Seem's like an odd post to pick to sus someone which pings me that you are potentially manufacturing reads.

Nah I’m not manufacturing reads. Sometimes I get wild reads from nothing. It’s just hard to explain

Alright fair enough, not like I haven't seen that before lol

Yeah, I get the same way at times. Sometimes whatever magic my mind works is just not there and reading people is slog.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/6/2026 at 11:26 PM (post #170)

One thing that kinda struck me about the n0 hypos here: Both Helz and Mag1c hypos folks not in the game. Not sure if that means anything or not.

I'm hesitant to put much weight on the N0 choices, but yeah, picking two people not even in the game is conspicuous.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/6/2026 at 11:32 PM (post #171)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/6/2026 at 9:16 PM (post #169)

Alright, time to ramble... hopefully mostly coherently...

Luna - Those early uncertainties about night phases kind of looked town at first, though it comes off as just not having read the full OP, something I'm guilty of as both town and scum. I can largely get into his head so far, even if it's mostly NAI - variable perspective on mass claims, handling the speed of the game over 7 days, saying he'd check me with that n0 investigation - but the read list gives me more to dig into. A little light on his reads of Mag1c and Noah so far. A little unclear on why he has a light townread on Helz in part because he's sussing Magoroth for volunteering his own character so easily when Helz requested it, but it's enough to give me a slight townread.

On Helz vs Magoroth, fair callout, but they're not the same thing to me. Helz asking for flavor is the part I said I didn't love. Asking is fishing, though, and fishing can come from either side. My Magoroth lean isn't really about the MJ claim by itself. It's the claim plus the "idk why but I scumread this" VTL on Kohai right after. That's a vote with no reason attached, and it's the main thing I'm on him for. The claim is just extra.

Alittle extra on magic/ noah since you said the reads were light.

Mag1c: lean town still, the part I actually like is that he went back and pointed at Mag and Helz for the early character claiming. That's a real read on people actively posting, not just vibes.

Noah: null, I'm being careful bc he's new. The instaclaim was literally him copying Kohai, which he admitted, and that reads more newbie than scum. What I'm watching is that he said he was suspicious of me, then dropped it as soon as Mag1c said his townread was weak. That's pretty sheepy. Same with putting Shining at L-1 without seeming to know what a hammer was yet. Not scum stuff, just means I can't read him off much yet.

Appreciate the more detailed thoughts.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/6/2026 at 11:52 PM (post #174)

The flavor thing I am not super focused on. I wanted content to help break RVS and it seems to have pushed the game along a little bit. That and Noah's reaction it seems everyone agrees with my thinking on which is worth something.

I will say I am not super concerned with it revealing actions. My action you gotta do some real mental gymnastics to conclude its connection to my flavor. Its also interesting that the people hesitant or against the mass claim are also not concerned with an anti-claim mechanic although my paranoia there may not be fitting for this sites meta. I am just more use to it being in play to counter the issue caused by having AI flavor.

Peek claims I would like to keep up through the day cycles. Its just useful and removes an alignment cops requirement to seed their actions which I usually pick up pretty easily as a wolf. Something at zero cost to the town that will give us some benefit.

The anti-claim mechanic (for this site anyway) has become something I expect mods will announce in the OP if it exists. Maybe that's an incorrect assumption at this point since it's become more of a common use element in games, but it usually still gets a shout out somewhere. I'm not super concerned about it absent that, though there's always the concern that scum can use that information to improve their claims or utilize their roles effectively. Doesn't have to be a mechanic for it to be a danger to claim broadly.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/6/2026 at 11:37 PM (post #172)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/6/2026 at 9:26 PM (post #170)

One thing that kinda struck me about the n0 hypos here: Both Helz and Mag1c hypos folks not in the game. Not sure if that means anything or not.

On the hypos, I don't think they're the same thing. Helz named Rex in his first post and right after said the player list got corrected, so Rex was probably just on the old list. Mag1c's is different. That was hours in, and "between Pie and Noah" basically means not picking anyone. Also kinda weird he didn't get the n0 peek idea when he's played a ton. Not a scumread yet, could be he was just lazy and didn't fully read what helz said. Seems like he gets it now.

Fair point. My null read on Mag1c will stick for now, and my read on Helz had nothing to do with the hypos so that's not going to shift just yet, but I think it's worth keeping in mind the context for those choices.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/7/2026 at 2:53 AM (post #188)

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 06/10/2026 at 19:53 (post #6)

I'm David Copperfield, ig I vanished the statue of liberty and my property taxes

Question is, since Noah is pretty new would he just instantly claim like this as scum? Does Mafia have a night 0 chat or something like that? It looks kinda towny for a person to claim so fast

It wouldn't be terribly unusual for mods to open up a Discord channel and invite scum in a day in advance of the start of the game, so it is entirely possible that scum have had some prep time, though I'm not assuming as much at this point. It's more a basis for me not to just straight townread claims that look good on their face.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/7/2026 at 3:02 AM (post #191)

Whiteflame seems to be doing the thing where he just summarises the game? It does feel somewhat better than in my previous games with him though. I can’t say I have much of a read on him at this stage.

Not too unusual for me as either alignment TBH, but yeah, my reads were basically just quick ISOs. I'm still comfortable with them this morning.

Part of me wants to vote Helz and say he is trying to gatekeep the game. Not that he doesn’t do this as Town as well but would be interesting to see where this leads

VTL: Helz

I'm always a little wary of Helz, in large part because he tends to be a pretty active voice early on and tries to shape perceptions. Not a criticism, I love the style of play, but it's either a big positive or a big negative depending on what side he's working for. That being said, I don't get voting for him just because that's his style.

Shining still hasn’t shown up. Down for a PL on them if they don’t show

I would say thats healthy. I am curious where I was trying to gatekeep. If anything I have been pretty hands off this game and only really voiced some soft strategy and grabbed a few tells here and there. I expect my play this game will be outside of anything I have done in years for either alignment if I can not get myself to push.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/7/2026 at 10:02 AM (post #207)

Shining still hasn’t shown up. Down for a PL on them if they don’t show

Not a fan of just lynching inactives, but in this game with the clock constantly running, that might just be the best play for DP1. He's had almost 24 hours.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/7/2026 at 10:10 AM (post #208)

I would say thats healthy. I am curious where I was trying to gatekeep. If anything I have been pretty hands off this game and only really voiced some soft strategy and grabbed a few tells here and there. I expect my play this game will be outside of anything I have done in years for either alignment if I can not get myself to push.

I wouldn't call it "gatekeeping," though Magoroth used the term. I would agree, I think you've done less than usual to try and direct how voting is going and what you believe we should get out of it. You've mentioned reasons for it, and I'm keeping those in mind as well.