Epstein's Island Mafia DP1

I would be fine with it. I really am afraid of dealing with Shining late game. Only reason I caught them that one game was that I worked through every other slot and by PoE determined they must be scum in every single situation I could see being reasonable.

It does have the problem of being low benefit with little information given from their flip either way but its a question of 'is there any other way we can deal with sorting them' in a game where town has X time to solve or it just looses.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/7/2026 at 10:10 AM (post #209)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/7/2026 at 10:02 AM (post #207)

Shining still hasn’t shown up. Down for a PL on them if they don’t show

Not a fan of just lynching inactives, but in this game with the clock constantly running, that might just be the best play for DP1. He's had almost 24 hours.

Yeah. Normally I’d wait for a replacement but with clock ticking we are on a time crunch.

Vote Count

Shining (2/5): WF, Noah

Kohai (1/5): Noah

Helz (1/5): Mago

My vote is staying where it is, at least until Shining shows up. I'm also not giving Thoth a pass here. Dude showed up once, said "Whazzup" and disappeared. He's only marginally better, and didn't post overnight like he normally does.

Unvote

Can you ping shining and thoth seeing as we are on a crunch here?

My vote is actually not on them. It was at the games start but then I voted then unvoted Kohai to prove the popular claim. I should be on nobody right now.

^ This is why we should use the bot, he didnt have my vote on mago either, which is fine because I am unvoting anyways

VTL: Shining

Since we all need to get night actions in before the day ends I think I like what Helz did earlier. Whoever wants to hammer should tag everyone and let them know the exact time they will lay out the hammer. This gives everyone else time to modify or submit actions

I will be unavailable for at least 7 hours, except perhaps for the occasional pop-in to read and maybe make one or two short posts, I would prefer it if we didn’t hammer while I’m gone.

Well, we've ground to a halt. I hope that, as Luna already requested, both Thoth and Shining have been pinged to get in here. I know Thoth was dealing with an illness last game that he may still be getting over, but Shining doesn't have an excuse that I'm aware of and I agree with Helz that he can be exceedingly hard to read when he's largely (or in this case entirely) absent.

I've already given my thoughts on everyone else. I do find it odd that Noah decided to unvote when his vote was on Shining for being absent, though given that he's new, it's just odd to me for now.

his vote put him at L1. I had unvoted to prevent an early hammer and he followed. Nothing weird IMO about that

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/7/2026 at 2:55 PM (post #224)

his vote put him at L1. I had unvoted to prevent an early hammer and he followed. Nothing weird IMO about that

I may be confused, then, because I'm not seeing when he got to L-1. My vote's on Shining (#118), yours is (#219), and now, absent Noah's vote (#143), we're at L-3. So Shining was at L-2 before he removed the vote. Did I miss something in the count? I don't want to belabor the point because, again, I'm unclear how much it's even worth reading into the decision regardless. But if the reason for removing the vote was just to prevent a hammer, I'm missing it.

Gimme a few hours, I will catch up and post in a few hours

I know I have a bad record of deadlines in Mafia games, but for real this time

I’m not tryna stall, I was busy with the ENT doc and running errands yesterday and now I got shit to do at home before I can post

Antiobiotics no fun

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/7/2026 at 4:59 PM (post #227)

I’m not tryna stall, I was busy with the ENT doc and running errands yesterday and now I got shit to do at home before I can post

Antiobiotics no fun

I hope you feel better

I’m temporarily available, just finished my shift, smoking a few before I cycle home. Looks like I didn’t miss much?

Helz, you can ignore what I said because I honestly don’t have the motivation to make up some shit and push it through for a reaction.

I still think Mag1c is slightly towny

I will probably be abandoning the following part of the Noah read tomorrow but: he comes across as newb town, doesn’t feel super scummy.

no reads on anyone else

I am obviously down for policy lynchint Shining if anyone asks.

Alright we have grind to a hault. I think we've got enough out of htis day phase and feel I'm ready to end it. Shining should be the PL 100%. Generally I hate Pls but in this setup this is kinda must.

What I think we should do: Everyone confirm that your actions have been submitted (even if you have no actions). This gives us time to make sure everyone gets their actions before a hammer.

I'll be honest, I'm not confident in my reads at all. This is where I'm kinda at right now though.

Noah: I feel this is noob town just for the early character claim. I do like what he has contributed to the discussions.

Helz / Mag1c: Two possible pairings I'm looking at. Helz' n0 hypos were a bit weird because this is like never a thing and he's never even suggested this. I'll let him cook some more but what strikes me is that both Helz and mag1c hypo'd players that aren't in the game. Helz may have a valid excuse if the player list was incorrect but mag1c does not. Like lunatic, I also don't love is him pushing to flavor claim.

Whiteflame / Shining: Another possible team I'm looking at especially if shining flips mafia. Whiteflame's vote on them out of frustration could be pairing. At the time of the vote several other players have yet to chime in.

Magoroth: He's been fairly active this day phase and active mago usually means town mago. Slight town lean on them.

Thoth: Null. Hope you feel better.

Lunatic: Slight town lean on asking the early question about night actions. Maybe a town slip? That said, I do know luna is capable of faking that. I need to see more content from him.

Again, I'm not confident on any of this.

Possible pairings

Helz, Lunatic

Helz, Mag1cman

Helz, Magoroth

Helz, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Helz, Shining

Helz, whiteflame

Helz, Thoth

Lunatic, Mag1cman

Lunatic, Magoroth

Lunatic, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Lunatic, Shining

Lunatic, whiteflame

Lunatic, Thoth

Mag1cman, Magoroth

Mag1cman, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Mag1cman, Shining

Mag1cman, whiteflame

Mag1cman, Thoth

Magoroth, NoAhLeEcLaRk

Magoroth, Shining

Magoroth, whiteflame

Magoroth, Thoth

NoAhLeEcLaRk, Shining

NoAhLeEcLaRk, whiteflame

NoAhLeEcLaRk, Thoth

Shining, whiteflame

Shining, Thoth

whiteflame, Thoth

Process of elimination

Helz, Magoroth - not liekly to be paird

Removing Noah

Here is the filtered list of 21 possible pairs that do not include NoAhLeEcLaRk:

Helz, Lunatic

Helz, Mag1cman

Helz, Magoroth

Helz, Shining

Helz, whiteflame

Helz, Thoth

Lunatic, Mag1cman

Lunatic, Magoroth

Lunatic, Shining

Lunatic, whiteflame

Lunatic, Thoth

Mag1cman, Magoroth

Mag1cman, Shining

Mag1cman, whiteflame

Mag1cman, Thoth

Magoroth, Shining

Magoroth, whiteflame

Magoroth, Thoth

Shining, whiteflame

Shining, Thoth

whiteflame, Thoth

The most plausible team I'm looking at in a t!Sining world is Helz / Mag1c for reasons I mentioned earlier. In addition this progression was a bit weird:

Mag1c

p#161 - Not understanding the idea behind helz

p#162 - I explain it

p#163 - Hypos two people, one of which is not even playing.

All of this exchange happened in under 3 minutes

The biggest issue I'm trying to resolve is why both would hypo folks not playing.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/7/2026 at 5:27 PM (post #231)

I am obviously down for policy lynchint Shining if anyone asks.

Sadly I think that's where we are going to have to go this day phase

here and isoing ppl

My N0 peek would be you because I feel like I have zero ability to read you.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/6/2026 at 2:46 PM (post #34)

I prefer the MU meta where flavor claiming is outright banned when flavor is ai

Could I lecture about Mafia theory? To me, the essence of Mafia is that it is a game of reading people. Not just behavior in general, but of figuring out what THIS person would do in THAT situation. Like any other mechanic, flavor claiming is good if it leads to thinking about whether or not the person claiming something would make that claim, and bad if it leads to analyzing how much sense the claim makes in a vacuum. Alignment-indicative flavor just needs good game design to go with it.

Four character claims and I am not even done with day 2. Ridiculous. I can understand that from a noob, but Helz, Kohai, and Magoroth should know better.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/7/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #236)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/6/2026 at 2:46 PM (post #34)

I prefer the MU meta where flavor claiming is outright banned when flavor is ai

Could I lecture about Mafia theory? To me, the essence of Mafia is that it is a game of reading people. Not just behavior in general, but of figuring out what THIS person would do in THAT situation. Like any other mechanic, flavor claiming is good if it leads to thinking about whether or not the person claiming something would make that claim, and bad if it leads to analyzing how much sense the claim makes in a vacuum. Alignment-indicative flavor just needs good game design to go with it.

Yeah. The problem with AI flavor is that town can easily clear multiple people with just flavor claims and scum need to have very good ways to counter act that and really good fake xlakms.

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Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/7/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #236)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/6/2026 at 2:46 PM (post #34)

I prefer the MU meta where flavor claiming is outright banned when flavor is ai

Could I lecture about Mafia theory? To me, the essence of Mafia is that it is a game of reading people. Not just behavior in general, but of figuring out what THIS person would do in THAT situation. Like any other mechanic, flavor claiming is good if it leads to thinking about whether or not the person claiming something would make that claim, and bad if it leads to analyzing how much sense the claim makes in a vacuum. Alignment-indicative flavor just needs good game design to go with it.

Mine was an SOP claim