Epstein's Island Mafia DP1

WF has my attention. Their post 301 specifically outside of other considerations hedges my lynch distancing from the issue while also pushing for a claim. This is after shoving back against claiming flavor.

I am not sure about them being the D1 and worried about allowing 'non participating' players into later day phases but there is a reason my response in 305 was what it was.

To be transparent the N0 claim (while absolutely being something I want this community to understand and implement) I wanted to put it in heads that I could be an alignment cop and I doubled down later bridging my flavor plan with saying my action was not well connected with my flavor. (And that legit is true)

Apparently even at half speed I am still a scheming bastard : )

I will just say, Not trying to dogpile but its less in my head right now that there is nothing to scum read you on. Its also that there is nothing to town read you on. The one game I caught you as scum I had to do so by reading every single other slot in the game around you. You jumped in and did 'just enough' to survive and I made a rough judgement call way later in the game that took a specific gamestate for me to even figure out.

Please just jump in and play. I know it takes work but you signed up for it and understand that its harmful to others experiences if you do not put in effort.

Otherwise the players gotta roll the dice on you and its kinda not fair. To answer your question this is exactly why you are catching this kinda flack in the games you play.

^^^ Preach

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/7/2026 at 10:26 PM (post #301)

I'm headed off for the night. Like Mag1c, I'm looking for a good claim here. Hesitant to put Helz as my choice for a lynch right now, but I'd like to either be able to set him aside or make a more concerted effort to coalesce around a lynch well before the end of the DP.

Helz already claimed Ehud Barak and that he has a visiting action. Are you demanding a full claim?

Vote Count

Helz (2/5): Mag1c, WF

Shining (2/5): Lunatic, Magoroth

Originally Posted by Shining on 08/10/2026 at 11:06 (post #327)

You guys always go this route with me and yet you always end up eating shit when I flip town. Whats this about inactive scum? Isn't this my town play? I get its frustrating, but theres nothing to scum read me on lol. Anyway, I reckon you will be disappointed if you force me to character/full claim.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/8/2026 at 4:56 AM (post #322)

If I’m the Cop my NP0 peek is Noah

What does peek mean in this context?

Why don’t you character claim then

Originally Posted by Thoth on 08/10/2026 at 3:46 (post #266)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 10/6/2026 at 7:38 PM (post #129)

Budget two days for each DP? With one day for DP4 if needed.

agree

Feel like this is scummy for Thoth. Scum would say they agree to something taht fucks them over in order to seen pro Town and Thoth’s thing here kinda sticks out.

I feel like Thoth is rolefishing, or character fishing or whatever. Has he even claimed a role or character yet?

@Thoth how about you claim bud?

Originally Posted by Shining on 08/10/2026 at 7:31 (post #302)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/7/2026 at 11:12 PM (post #292)

Originally Posted by Shining on 10/7/2026 at 10:09 PM (post #291)

Calling it now, mafia team is something like Dershowitz/Epstein and Maxwell.

Not Epstein/Dershowitz?

That too, but whatever. Also why are you locktown again?

I’m probably slightly insane but I feel like this is a Towny thing to say, seems too on the nose for scum unless both Thoth and Shining are scum

I feel like Thoth thinks Shining knows more about the setup than he should which is why he asking Shining that bit about Dershowitz/Epstein. It ties in with him asking Kohai about the Vanillaiser bait

Sense I am deviating from everything I normally do meta read- Mag is just town.

To clarify the way they are shoving everywhere all over the place and quickly shifting this game is their town play. As scum they are more focused and selective. They jump less from position to position and move more slowly. That is the pattern I am looking at.

I feel like I am getting sussed by Thoth or whoever (might be misremembering) because obviously Thoth would locktown himself, but then I wonder why Kohai is null. Flavor is apparently alignment indicating, and my first thought was just people who have a positive impact on society vs who don't. Either way, I would sus a Dershowitz/Maxwell/Epstein claim for multiple reasons.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/8/2026 at 8:31 AM (post #337)

Originally Posted by Shining on 08/10/2026 at 11:06 (post #327)

You guys always go this route with me and yet you always end up eating shit when I flip town. Whats this about inactive scum? Isn't this my town play? I get its frustrating, but theres nothing to scum read me on lol. Anyway, I reckon you will be disappointed if you force me to character/full claim.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/8/2026 at 4:56 AM (post #322)

If I’m the Cop my NP0 peek is Noah

What does peek mean in this context?

Why don’t you character claim then

Can you explain why that follows?

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/8/2026 at 1:52 AM (post #305)

I will trade you my role claim for your flavor claim.

(I kinda suspect that the group of late comers and people refusing is the pool to focus on at this point)

So far all I have to consider for a flavor split is that there seem to be world leaders and entertainers. We could legit have something of value there but scum will want to drag their feet on the subject.

Im also curious. I have never seen someone hunt a role from flavor. Has that ever even happened on this site? Like.. Is the paranoia about that actually justified by anyone's experience that has been playing here?

I didn't say I was hunting a role specifically as a result of your flavor claim. I gave my own read on you separately and said it made more sense for someone who had already partially claimed to full claim rather than out more information.

As for the trade, that would defeat the purpose on two levels. One, it would mean outing more information than I'd like before the DP ends. Two, as I've already stated, my flavor does at least somewhat indicate my role. Maybe not everyone would see it, but I'd be surprised if no one does. So what you're asking me to do is give a flavor claim that also stands a more than decent chance of being identified as a full claim.

I am willing to go so far as to say I am or was a world leader.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/8/2026 at 3:00 AM (post #309)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 07/10/2026 at 15:45 (post #205)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/7/2026 at 2:53 AM (post #188)

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 06/10/2026 at 19:53 (post #6)

I'm David Copperfield, ig I vanished the statue of liberty and my property taxes

Question is, since Noah is pretty new would he just instantly claim like this as scum? Does Mafia have a night 0 chat or something like that? It looks kinda towny for a person to claim so fast

It wouldn't be terribly unusual for mods to open up a Discord channel and invite scum in a day in advance of the start of the game, so it is entirely possible that scum have had some prep time, though I'm not assuming as much at this point. It's more a basis for me not to just straight townread claims that look good on their face.

Fair. I guess that read is a bit weaker than I’d thought. I still do thinj it’s a little strange for newbie scum to claim this fast

I've got a light townread on Noah in part for that very reason.

Originally Posted by Shining on 10/8/2026 at 5:06 AM (post #327)

You guys always go this route with me and yet you always end up eating shit when I flip town. Whats this about inactive scum? Isn't this my town play? I get its frustrating, but theres nothing to scum read me on lol. Anyway, I reckon you will be disappointed if you force me to character/full claim.

I'm with Luna on this one. Lack of activity on your part is the major problem here, and it happens regardless of your alignment. We're often forced to work with limited information, even in later day phases. When you're this inactive, you're just a black box behaviorally.

Its horseshit to give mafia a whole day to plan shit in a game like this. I would imagine Pie would be fuming if he was playing Town under those conditions. We probably had our fake claims in under a day in the games we played as scum WF.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/8/2026 at 6:45 AM (post #335)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/7/2026 at 10:26 PM (post #301)

I'm headed off for the night. Like Mag1c, I'm looking for a good claim here. Hesitant to put Helz as my choice for a lynch right now, but I'd like to either be able to set him aside or make a more concerted effort to coalesce around a lynch well before the end of the DP.

Helz already claimed Ehud Barak and that he has a visiting action. Are you demanding a full claim?

Did he claim a visiting action? Honestly, I don't recall seeing it, though I'll dig back through his posts.

Originally Posted by Shining on 10/8/2026 at 9:18 AM (post #349)

Its horseshit to give mafia a whole day to plan shit in a game like this. I would imagine Pie would be fuming if he was playing Town under those conditions. We probably had our fake claims in under a day in the games we played as scum WF.

If they did get an extra day to plan, yeah, it would be pretty messed up. I can't dismiss the possibility that they did, though. And yeah, we would've been locked in by this point.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/8/2026 at 7:21 AM (post #350)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/8/2026 at 6:45 AM (post #335)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/7/2026 at 10:26 PM (post #301)

I'm headed off for the night. Like Mag1c, I'm looking for a good claim here. Hesitant to put Helz as my choice for a lynch right now, but I'd like to either be able to set him aside or make a more concerted effort to coalesce around a lynch well before the end of the DP.

Helz already claimed Ehud Barak and that he has a visiting action. Are you demanding a full claim?

Did he claim a visiting action? Honestly, I don't recall seeing it, though I'll dig back through his posts.

"I will say I am not super concerned with it revealing actions. My action you gotta do some real mental gymnastics to conclude its connection to my flavor."

He said this in 174.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/8/2026 at 9:25 AM (post #352)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/8/2026 at 7:21 AM (post #350)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/8/2026 at 6:45 AM (post #335)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/7/2026 at 10:26 PM (post #301)

I'm headed off for the night. Like Mag1c, I'm looking for a good claim here. Hesitant to put Helz as my choice for a lynch right now, but I'd like to either be able to set him aside or make a more concerted effort to coalesce around a lynch well before the end of the DP.

Helz already claimed Ehud Barak and that he has a visiting action. Are you demanding a full claim?

Did he claim a visiting action? Honestly, I don't recall seeing it, though I'll dig back through his posts.

"I will say I am not super concerned with it revealing actions. My action you gotta do some real mental gymnastics to conclude its connection to my flavor."

He said this in 174.

I saw that, but I don't think it implies a visiting action. Possibly he's implying a night action, that's about all I can glean from it beyond a lack of obvious connection between character and role.

Regardless, I should be clear that I'm not adamant that Helz be the lynch this DP. Much as I don't love taking out inactives, Thoth or Shining are better choices right now, but I also don't see much value in just pressuring them for the sake of getting them to engage more or showcase some insight into the game based on what they've read. I'm trying to get a more solid read on Helz right now, but no, I'm not willing to lynch him for refusing to give up his role if that's what he decides.

I will just tell you outright you should probably plan on a second person should you decide to abandon the wagon. You guys are talking about having the game reach DP4, but remember that you can also just blitz through days if needed. In other words, don't rush too much.

Originally Posted by Shining on 10/8/2026 at 7:43 AM (post #355)

I will just tell you outright you should probably plan on a second person should you decide to abandon the wagon. You guys are talking about having the game reach DP4, but remember that you can also just blitz through days if needed. In other words, don't rush too much.

Who do you want to lynch?

I feel like Shining is Town the more he speaks. I will probably be voting Thoth at the EoD

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/8/2026 at 9:46 AM (post #356)

Originally Posted by Shining on 10/8/2026 at 7:43 AM (post #355)

I will just tell you outright you should probably plan on a second person should you decide to abandon the wagon. You guys are talking about having the game reach DP4, but remember that you can also just blitz through days if needed. In other words, don't rush too much.

Who do you want to lynch?

Thoth kinda rubbed me the wrong way in a manner I quite can't describe. I think it might have something to do with our interaction regarding whatever role Epstein and Dershowitz have in this game. IDK. If he flipped now, I wouldn't be surprised if hes Mafia!Epstein.

Originally Posted by Shining on 10/8/2026 at 9:53 AM (post #358)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/8/2026 at 9:46 AM (post #356)

Originally Posted by Shining on 10/8/2026 at 7:43 AM (post #355)

I will just tell you outright you should probably plan on a second person should you decide to abandon the wagon. You guys are talking about having the game reach DP4, but remember that you can also just blitz through days if needed. In other words, don't rush too much.

Who do you want to lynch?

Thoth kinda rubbed me the wrong way in a manner I quite can't describe. I think it might have something to do with our interaction regarding whatever role Epstein and Dershowitz have in this game. IDK. If he flipped now, I wouldn't be surprised if hes Mafia!Epstein.

Why is this?

Shining is rubbing me the wrong way. Feels line TMI on flavor.