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Epstein's Island Mafia DP2

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ISO #271 •••
--> @NoAhLeEcLaRk


Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 10:13 PM (post #269)
I was gonna perform an action on night 1, but Savant never replied back on how it would work if say, I did it between you and Lunatic, but my role is

2x Redirector- to which I can perform my action only on odd nights
I win with the town


Uh did you copy paste that

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ISO #272 •••
--> @Kohai

Let me correct my mistake, I just looked more into the 2x Redirector

I can only perform my action twice throughout the whole game only on a odd night tho


That is my bad for the misunderstanding

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ISO #273 •••
--> @Lunatic

No I typed it, why?

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ISO #274 •••
--> @Kohai

I was going to use my ability on the first night, but Savant did not reply to my message. I asked how it would work if I used it on you and Lunatic. My role is a 2x Redirector, and I am only allowed to use my action on odd-numbered nights, twice the whole game. Also, I am on the town team, so I win when the town wins.


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ISO #275 •••
--> @NoAhLeEcLaRk


Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/10/2026 at 12:18 AM (post #274)
I was going to use my ability on the first night, but Savant did not reply to my message. I asked how it would work if I used it on you and Lunatic. My role is a 2x Redirector, and I am only allowed to use my action on odd-numbered nights, twice the whole game. Also, I am on the town team, so I win when the town wins.

That’s not what I’m asking. I am asking for the justification for *why* you have thst role

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ISO #276 •••

Anyway I’m off to bed for real now

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ISO #277 •••
--> @Kohai

It was to misdirect my connection with Epstein, that's all I know and all I got

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ISO #278 •••
--> @Helz
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 11:09 PM (post #267)
That is imo an objectively scum sided mechanic. Which is not a bad thing. Just one I question with the claims given.

Normally, the punishment is that the day ends without a lynch, which obviously defaults to a scum victory if town keeps failing to pick someone before the deadline.

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ISO #279 •••
--> @Thoth


Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/9/2026 at 11:35 PM (post #278)
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 11:09 PM (post #267)
That is imo an objectively scum sided mechanic. Which is not a bad thing. Just one I question with the claims given.
Normally, the punishment is that the day ends without a lynch, which obviously defaults to a scum victory if town keeps failing to pick someone before the deadline.

Sooo. I really do not want to go down this entire conversation about game balance. Its about as productive as the shit we got into about Artificial Intelligence yesterday.


You can control that. You can say someone will die at the end of X time who has the most votes. You can say that after so many votes someone dies. You can say no kill will happen unless a certain amount happens.


Saying that votes and days will happen and by default X team wins on X day? Thats a slant. In this game its a major benefit to Mafia but with the slight advantage that it can generate intention tells for the town as we consider who is dragging their feet.


Tiny tell given for an auto win timeline? Let me pick my own adventure and I will choose the auto win timeline every time.

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ISO #280 •••

Alright, we've got to make some progress towards a lynch here and not much is happening. Going to give some reads and thoughts for a lynch.


I'm setting Helz entirely aside for now. I've mentioned already that I think he and Mag1c are entirely uncoupled as a potential scum pairing, and I stand by that. If we end up eliminating Mag1c and dude flips town, Helz is my first consideration for next DP. The early vote by Mag1c on Helz is part of it, but I've had my concerns about him since last DP. I also have issues with how much he's focused on a theme split, though that might just be part of the challenge he's giving himself this game.


For the time being, I'm also setting aside Kohai. It's not the same boat - I wouldn't say Kohai and Mag1c are entirely uncoupled - but I believe it's pretty unlikely they're on a team together. I didn't like the early jumping on the same vote with Mag1c, though maybe he just bought that the Blackmail was real at the time and figured it supported his read on Helz. It's something I'll revisit later.


I'm wary of Noah, but considering setting him aside as well. The way he's claimed his role just has me on edge with the whole "I can only use this on odd nights" addition coming late and conveniently at a time that makes it impossible for him to use it until DP3. I buy that he asked Savant about it, and depending on when he asked, he might not have received a response in time to make a decision. I don't really get his choice of targets, either. He's a bit of an outside consideration that's just irking me at this point, basically entirely unconnected with anyone.


I'm also wary of Luna, though that has more to do with his claim being a big question mark and what seems like a persistent difficulty reading him behaviorally on my part. I think his reads earlier in the DP make sense, and no, that's not just because he was townreading me. The response to the apparent Blackmailing does look like he's trying to figure out the bounds of it pretty well. Similar to Noah, I'm on the fence about him.


Thoth has brought some more of his perspective to this DP, which is good to see, but I'm not getting any clear idea of where his head is at with regards to reads. Introducing some more doubt on whether there's a balance issue to consider here is worrying. I can't tell if he's being genuine or trying to cover for his partner. I could see a world where Noah or Luna are tied to Mag1c, but Thoth is the most probable person to be his scum partner should Mag1c flip scum.


And then we get to Mag1c. I've got so many conflicting thoughts about him. I would not be surprised that a role like Blackmailer exists in this game, it's very much on brand, particularly given the expected scum split. I also think it's a pretty big risk to just effectively pretend he's unable to post and hope for the best, relying on his partner and other potential susses to carry him through. That being said, it's not a first for him to pretend to have been targeted by a scum role to get towncred, and the way the role works is... confusing. So he was allowed at the start of the DP to announce that he'd been Blackmailed? And post a vote? That's it? If that's true, it's a way more potent Silencer because the player couldn't even get confirmation that a role had been used on them, so we can't even confirm that this was the result of a night action. The same was true with a Poisoner several games back (though usually that is announced), which Mag1c did fake. And now, of course, we can't get his claim. Absent his, Thoth's and Luna's claims, assuming they're both town, the PRs for town look suspiciously weak and even self-defeating. Just to break it down, claims have town as:


A 2X Doc (limited use protective)

A Singer (negative utility)

A Popular (mainly just self-confirmation)

A 2X Redirector (manipulative, mixed often negative utility)


I can and have confirmed that my role does not dramatically reshape this dynamic. No investigatives yet, though Helz has said he's either VT or PGO, so either no utility or another negative utility role. So either the three unclaimed players dramatically reshape the balance of the setup to the point that there could be a Vanillaizer and a Blackmailer, or the balance strongly indicates that one of those two roles isn't in here. Maybe there is a town Vanillaizing role, but I can't say I'm banking on that.


My feeling right now is that the Mag1c elimination would do the most to limit POE. What's holding me back in part is that role uncertainty. Again, balance seems off here and I'm hesitant to just lynch among the unclaimed pool when we can and should suspect some valuable PRs in there.

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ISO #281 •••
--> @whiteflame

Typically with blackmailers there’s usually a restriction that you can’t force them to not post. Also there’s generally restriction from claiming to have been blackmailed.

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ISO #282 •••
--> @Kohai
Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 12:51 PM (post #281)
Typically with blackmailers there’s usually a restriction that you can’t force them to not post. Also there’s generally restriction from claiming to have been blackmailed.


Yeah, that's what I've read, too. I've seen different versions, but they usually aren't this restrictive.

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ISO #283 •••
--> @whiteflame


Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/10/2026 at 12:54 PM (post #282)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 12:51 PM (post #281)
Typically with blackmailers there’s usually a restriction that you can’t force them to not post. Also there’s generally restriction from claiming to have been blackmailed.

Yeah, that's what I've read, too. I've seen different versions, but they usually aren't this restrictive.

Right. And if he couldn’t post then he already broke the blackmail terms

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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

ISO #284 •••
--> @Kohai


Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 1:21 PM (post #283)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/10/2026 at 12:54 PM (post #282)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 12:51 PM (post #281)
Typically with blackmailers there’s usually a restriction that you can’t force them to not post. Also there’s generally restriction from claiming to have been blackmailed.

Yeah, that's what I've read, too. I've seen different versions, but they usually aren't this restrictive.
Right. And if he couldn’t post then he already broke the blackmail terms


Yep, it looks like a big problem for his case. I'm pretty sure we'll go with him in the end, just want to get everyone at least posting some reads before we go through with it.

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ISO #285 •••
--> @whiteflame


Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/10/2026 at 1:37 PM (post #284)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 1:21 PM (post #283)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/10/2026 at 12:54 PM (post #282)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 12:51 PM (post #281)
Typically with blackmailers there’s usually a restriction that you can’t force them to not post. Also there’s generally restriction from claiming to have been blackmailed.

Yeah, that's what I've read, too. I've seen different versions, but they usually aren't this restrictive.
Right. And if he couldn’t post then he already broke the blackmail terms

Yep, it looks like a big problem for his case. I'm pretty sure we'll go with him in the end, just want to get everyone at least posting some reads before we go through with it.


Worst case if he actually is blackmailed and he is town and fails and we ML then we potentially lose two town members. Hence Mag1c may have to be the lynch regardless.

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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

ISO #286 •••

We have less than 4 days remaining

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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

ISO #287 •••
--> @Helz, @Lunatic, @Mag1cman, @NoAhLeEcLaRk, @Thoth, @whiteflame

Less than 4 days remaining and 12 hours remaining in our day 2 budget. We need to make progress

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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

ISO #288 •••

Not really a question for me atp. I’m not happy about the lack of reads this DP, but I guess that will have to wait.


VTL: Mag1cman

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ISO #289 •••
--> @Savant

What are the votes looking like now? If they have changes any

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ISO #290 •••

Automated Vote Count

This system-generated vote count was posted on behalf of the main host.


Mag1cman (2/4): Kohai (p#166), whiteflame (p#288)

Helz (1/4): Mag1cman (p#8)


Not Voting (4): Helz, Lunatic, NoAhLeEcLaRk, Thoth


With 7 players alive, the base elimination threshold is 4. Configured role modifiers may change vote power or an individual player's threshold. Day phase ends in 3 days, 21 hours.
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ISO #291 •••

Wait one question: Would scum actually fake claim either vanillaized or blackmailed after vanillaizeig or blackmailing someone?

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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

ISO #292 •••

Has w!Magc ever faked something like that??

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"Kohai, your entrance to the thread was legendary, you had a solve and a winning PoE right when you showed up, super impressive stuff, even more so considering it wasn't even your objective!!" - Zrein

ISO #293 •••

VTL: Mag1cman


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ISO #294 •••

Automated Vote Count

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Mag1cman (3/4): Kohai (p#166), whiteflame (p#288), NoAhLeEcLaRk (p#293)

Helz (1/4): Mag1cman (p#8)


Not Voting (3): Helz, Lunatic, Thoth


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ISO #295 •••
--> @Kohai


Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 5:34 PM (post #292)
Has w!Magc ever faked something like that??


The closest I can recall is faking that he’d been poisoned in the Solo Leveling game. Pretty similar, not the same.

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ISO #296 •••
--> @Kohai

Does the other mafia know who his/her partner is ?

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ISO #297 •••
--> @NoAhLeEcLaRk


Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/10/2026 at 5:54 PM (post #296)
Does the other mafia know who his/her partner is ?

You know that I know that you already know the answer to this question

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ISO #298 •••
--> @Kohai

Well our suspicion is that Mag1cman and Helz are scum, so I thought if they did know that say they were both are scum, Mag1cman was voting for Helz to cover himself up and possibly deflect the votes off him

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ISO #299 •••
--> @NoAhLeEcLaRk


Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/10/2026 at 6:03 PM (post #298)
Well our suspicion is that Mag1cman and Helz are scum, so I thought if they did know that say they were both are scum, Mag1cman was voting for Helz to cover himself up and possibly deflect the votes off him

I don’t think they’re scum together.


this their doesn’t really make much since

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ISO #300 •••
--> @Kohai

So do we believe that Mag1cman is scum?

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