Epstein's Island Mafia DP2

Epstein’s Island Mafia Claimslist

Graveyard

Lynched DP1:

Shining - You are Bill Gates. In addition to your work on technology, you have been involved in many healthcare initiatives, accelerating access to vaccines and injecting people with microchips to track them and keep them safe. Because of your work improving global health, you are the 2x Doctor, which is also the name of a game you may have played with children on Epstein’s Island. On two nights of your choosing, you can select a player to protect from fatal attacks. You win with the Town.

Died NP1:

Magoroth - You are Michael Jackson. Often called the “King of Pop,” you are widely regarded as one of the most culturally significant figures of the 20th century. You were also accused of sexually abusing at least 10 children, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein connections. Because you are widely known for your music, you are the Singer. If you die at night, a random living town player’s role PM will be revealed to the mafia. You win with the Town.

Living

Claims

Kohai- Bill Clinton- Popular, confirmed (post 4/95, dp1)

Helz- Ehud Barak- Has an action, role unclaimed (post 14/174, dp1)

NoAhLeEcLaRk- David Copperfield (post 6, dp1) 2x redirector

whiteflame- Refused to claim, says Epstein is prominent in his PM (post 89) - Claimed vanillaized

Mag1cman - Claimed to have been blackmailed 

Unclaimed

Lunatic

Mag1cman

Thoth

I didn't target anyone yet

A redirector.. Makes me even more confident that there can not be a Blackmailer and a Vanalizer.

WF or Mag1c gotta be scum here

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 10:00 PM (post #124)

WF or Mag1c gotta be scum here

Agreed

If it’s a town vanillaizer then that’s two major negative utility roles for town.

If it’s resulting from a Prober, I’d be a little skeptical of calling it straight up negative utility.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 9:59 PM (post #123)

A redirector.. Makes me even more confident that there can not be a Blackmailer and a Vanalizer.

The question is if this is a town or scum redirector? I have seen town redirectors before but in town hands it’s usually negative utility. That would make two negative utility roles

whiteflame- Refused to claim, says Epstein is prominent in his PM (post 89) - Claimed vanillaized

Did claim DJT, so…

Idk if I'm able to say this, but I'm a Town Redirector

Epstein’s Island Mafia Claimslist

Graveyard

Lynched DP1:

Shining - You are Bill Gates. In addition to your work on technology, you have been involved in many healthcare initiatives, accelerating access to vaccines and injecting people with microchips to track them and keep them safe. Because of your work improving global health, you are the 2x Doctor, which is also the name of a game you may have played with children on Epstein’s Island. On two nights of your choosing, you can select a player to protect from fatal attacks. You win with the Town.

Died NP1:

Magoroth - You are Michael Jackson. Often called the “King of Pop,” you are widely regarded as one of the most culturally significant figures of the 20th century. You were also accused of sexually abusing at least 10 children, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein connections. Because you are widely known for your music, you are the Singer. If you die at night, a random living town player’s role PM will be revealed to the mafia. You win with the Town.

Living

Claims

Kohai- Bill Clinton- Popular, confirmed (post 4/95, dp1)

Helz- Ehud Barak- Has an action, role unclaimed (post 14/174, dp1)

NoAhLeEcLaRk- David Copperfield (post 6, dp1) 2x redirector 

whiteflame- DJT - Claimed vanillaized

Mag1cman - Claimed to have been blackmailed 

Unclaimed

Lunatic

Mag1cman

Thoth

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 10:04 PM (post #129)

Idk if I'm able to say this, but I'm a Town Redirector

Whats your justification?

Obviously summarize / paraphrase and not quote directly

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 9:01 PM (post #127)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 9:59 PM (post #123)

A redirector.. Makes me even more confident that there can not be a Blackmailer and a Vanalizer.

The question is if this is a town or scum redirector? I have seen town redirectors before but in town hands it’s usually negative utility. That would make two negative utility roles

Fair. That would be an excellent scum role. I jumped to the thought that we had a town redirector

What do you mean Justfication?

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 10:11 PM (post #134)

What do you mean Justfication?

Every role has a justification, a reason **why** that character has that role.

Side not

Flavor on our site is a lot like fan fiction / role play. If character x was a mafia character then what role would this character have and why?

Given the gamestate I will go ahead and make a split claim.

I am either effectively a citizen with no action or a paranoid gun owner with limited shots.

Either way I will point to how I was baiting as a PR D1. I even called myself out on it D1. But was I doing it to bait to kill a mafia or to bait the kill to keep other TPR alive? That is a question I would rather leave open.

I will again confirm that I do not visit and had no action that would have been seen by anyone last night. Its also why I am so critical of the Blackmailer + Vanalizer thing + the negative town modifier + the insta mafia win mechanic. Im kinda stuck on how imbalanced that feels and 'if' Noah is town it doubles down on that being another town role that can screw town royally. If they are scum you still have the question of which of WF and Mag1c is lying.

Epstein’s Island Mafia Claimslist

Graveyard

Lynched DP1:

Shining - You are Bill Gates. In addition to your work on technology, you have been involved in many healthcare initiatives, accelerating access to vaccines and injecting people with microchips to track them and keep them safe. Because of your work improving global health, you are the 2x Doctor, which is also the name of a game you may have played with children on Epstein’s Island. On two nights of your choosing, you can select a player to protect from fatal attacks. You win with the Town.

Died NP1:

Magoroth - You are Michael Jackson. Often called the “King of Pop,” you are widely regarded as one of the most culturally significant figures of the 20th century. You were also accused of sexually abusing at least 10 children, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein connections. Because you are widely known for your music, you are the Singer. If you die at night, a random living town player’s role PM will be revealed to the mafia. You win with the Town.

Living

Claims

Kohai- Bill Clinton- Popular, confirmed (post 4/95, dp1)

Helz- Ehud Barak- Either VT or PGO

NoAhLeEcLaRk- David Copperfield (post 6, dp1) 2x redirector 

whiteflame- DJT - Claimed vanillaized

Mag1cman - Claimed to have been blackmailed 

Unclaimed

Lunatic

Mag1cman

Thoth

Orrr. there is somehow a town role which removed WF's role which in that case LOL FUCKING HELL. Mag1c or Kohai better have God level powers as town to balance that bullshit.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 10:15 PM (post #136)

Given the gamestate I will go ahead and make a split claim.

I am either effectively a citizen with no action or a paranoid gun owner with limited shots.

Either way I will point to how I was baiting as a PR D1. I even called myself out on it D1. But was I doing it to bait to kill a mafia or to bait the kill to keep other TPR alive? That is a question I would rather leave open.

I will again confirm that I do not visit and had no action that would have been seen by anyone last night. Its also why I am so critical of the Blackmailer + Vanalizer thing + the negative town modifier + the insta mafia win mechanic. Im kinda stuck on how imbalanced that feels and 'if' Noah is town it doubles down on that being another town role that can screw town royally. If they are scum you still have the question of which of WF and Mag1c is lying.

So if PGO that’s the THIRD negative role. Hmmm. Something feels so screwed up

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 10:17 PM (post #138)

Orrr. there is somehow a town role which removed WF's role which in that case LOL FUCKING HELL. Mag1c or Kohai better have God level powers as town to balance that bullshit.

My only god level power is being popular. I guess to prevent scum from being able to quick hammer me before MyLo

I don’t believe scum has both vanillaizer AND blackmailer given the setup.

I know my role misdirects my connections with Epstein.

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 10:19 PM (post #142)

I know my role misdirects my connections with Epstein.

Interesting

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 10:19 PM (post #142)

I know my role misdirects my connections with Epstein.

Interesting

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 9:17 PM (post #139)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 10:15 PM (post #136)

Given the gamestate I will go ahead and make a split claim.

I am either effectively a citizen with no action or a paranoid gun owner with limited shots.

Either way I will point to how I was baiting as a PR D1. I even called myself out on it D1. But was I doing it to bait to kill a mafia or to bait the kill to keep other TPR alive? That is a question I would rather leave open.

I will again confirm that I do not visit and had no action that would have been seen by anyone last night. Its also why I am so critical of the Blackmailer + Vanalizer thing + the negative town modifier + the insta mafia win mechanic. Im kinda stuck on how imbalanced that feels and 'if' Noah is town it doubles down on that being another town role that can screw town royally. If they are scum you still have the question of which of WF and Mag1c is lying.

So if PGO that’s the THIRD negative role. Hmmm. Something feels so screwed up

Yeah. I am either a coin flip of use or just totally useless.

My justification is whatever my flavor is was the general of Israel or whatever.

trying to re evaluate here

1) Does w!Helz keep Mag1c alive and also claim either VT or PGO?

2) What do I do with Noah’s claim

lookkng back Noah and Helz both claimed character super early which would be risky if either are scum

I wish Luna and Thoth were here. We could probably crunch this. Or at least get all the flavor out of the way and sort that piece.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 10:23 PM (post #148)

I wish Luna and Thoth were here. We could probably crunch this. Or at least get all the flavor out of the way and sort that piece.

Agreed.

I think there’s scum between wf / Mag1c. I doubt scum have both vanillaizer and a blackmailer