Epstein's Island Mafia DP2

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 9:22 PM (post #147)

lookkng back Noah and Helz both claimed character super early which would be risky if either are scum

Part of my mind with Noah-

They played Werewolf before. Cool. They did claim a flavor super fast. Also I was the first to call out good vibes from that. But it is based upon the assumption they did not know what they are doing.

I am more confidant than not that Noah is town from that bit. I also stay paranoid and recognize its an assumption and this is a game of lies. Could also be a W! Noah doing it off the bat not knowing better and it just working out for them. Their flavor did not give us much and we have not figured out the split.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 9:24 PM (post #150)

I think there’s scum between wf / Mag1c. I doubt scum have both vanillaizer and a blackmailer

The more I think about it the more I do not think its even possible. There is way too much soft to negative power on the towns side and having both those roles is just huge before considering the mafia insta-win bit.

Mag1c / Luna team?

Luna is the one person I really need to solve. Ugh. Someone help me

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 10:28 PM (post #152)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 9:24 PM (post #150)

I think there’s scum between wf / Mag1c. I doubt scum have both vanillaizer and a blackmailer

The more I think about it the more I do not think its even possible. There is way too much soft to negative power on the towns side and having both those roles is just huge before considering the mafia insta-win bit.

Yeah. Plus blackmailer usually means a death if they fail. So that means scum could possibly get essentially a second kill?

What is this "Flavor" thing?

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 10:30 PM (post #155)

What is this "Flavor" thing?

Flavor means your character

Noah could be town or not. But in either situation one of those two does not add up.

I feel a redirector, blackmailer, and vanallizer creates a situation we should look very critically at.

WF/Mag1c is lying in every situation I consider. Thats without knowing Luna/Thoth/Mikal info.

Kohai^

...Why do I weirdly conflate Mikal with Kohai...

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 10:31 PM (post #157)

Noah could be town or not. But in either situation one of those two does not add up.

I feel a redirector, blackmailer, and vanallizer creates a situation we should look very critically at.

WF/Mag1c is lying in every situation I consider. Thats without knowing Luna/Thoth/Mikal info.

And in a world you are actually PGO that means town could be even more killed than they already are

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 10:31 PM (post #158)

Kohai^

...Why do I weirdly conflate Mikal with Kohai...

IDK. We two couldn’t be more different if we tried

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 9:30 PM (post #154)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 10:28 PM (post #152)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 9:24 PM (post #150)

I think there’s scum between wf / Mag1c. I doubt scum have both vanillaizer and a blackmailer

The more I think about it the more I do not think its even possible. There is way too much soft to negative power on the towns side and having both those roles is just huge before considering the mafia insta-win bit.

Yeah. Plus blackmailer usually means a death if they fail. So that means scum could possibly get essentially a second kill?

That is a question. Could the game even be balanced at all with a +1 kill for mafia?

Like. Is it even possible?

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 9:32 PM (post #160)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 10:31 PM (post #158)

Kohai^

...Why do I weirdly conflate Mikal with Kohai...

IDK. We two couldn’t be more different if we tried

Lol. Yeah. And I am sorry. You both have unusual names. Thats my excuse. >.<

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 10:32 PM (post #161)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 9:30 PM (post #154)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 10:28 PM (post #152)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 9:24 PM (post #150)

I think there’s scum between wf / Mag1c. I doubt scum have both vanillaizer and a blackmailer

The more I think about it the more I do not think its even possible. There is way too much soft to negative power on the towns side and having both those roles is just huge before considering the mafia insta-win bit.

Yeah. Plus blackmailer usually means a death if they fail. So that means scum could possibly get essentially a second kill?

That is a question. Could the game even be balanced at all with a +1 kill for mafia?

Like. Is it even possible?

Plus if I recall correctly in mag’s game where we had a blackmailer the person blackmailed wasn’t even allowed to directly claim to be blackmailed.

Being allowed to openly claim blackmailed does seem to go against the purpose of the role

I'm gonna get off for the night and probably tomorrow, something bad just happens, I might need some space. If that's OK?

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 10:35 PM (post #164)

I'm gonna get off for the night and probably tomorrow, something bad just happens, I might need some space. If that's OK?

I hope everything is ok. Take your time and take care of yourself. DM me if you ever need someone to talk to about it

VTL: Mag1cman

Fuck it. I don’t believe vanilliazer and black mailer exist

Can either of you confirm if your role could possibly vanillaize someone?

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Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 9:35 PM (post #164)

I'm gonna get off for the night and probably tomorrow, something bad just happens, I might need some space. If that's OK?

I thought about it a second too late but if you are still here I would like you to answer 1 question quickly

I have my laptop open, I'm still getting the notifications, yeah you can ask it.

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 9:45 PM (post #170)

I have my laptop open, I'm still getting the notifications, yeah you can ask it.

Can you confirm who you targeted last night if you acted? Super important to sort mechanical stuff. I can explain later.

I was gonna target Kohai and Lunatic, but I changed my mind.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 10:47 PM (post #171)

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 9:45 PM (post #170)

I have my laptop open, I'm still getting the notifications, yeah you can ask it.

Can you confirm who you targeted last night if you acted? Super important to sort mechanical stuff. I can explain later.

He just said he didn’t act last night

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 10:48 PM (post #172)

I was gonna target Kohai and Lunatic, but I changed my mind.

Why me and Luna?

Ah, Sorry. Im dumb.

I hope everything in your real life is ok. Thanks for the answer.

I’m gonna get some dinner and sign off. I’m animal sitting this weekend and have a bar mitzvah to attend tomorrow. It’s gonna be a brutal weekend

I was worried one of you might be an MK (Mafia Killer) or an evil role or scum ofc, so I wanted to force that action into someone else to neutralize the threat / test a theory.

The thought that popped in my head was the potential of a T! Mag1c having some lookout/detective/whatever role but me being swapped around justifying their hard double vote on me flagging as an invest. Wanted to sort that

I targeted you two because I had a strong scum read on one of you and a mild Town read on the other. I wanted to see if redirecting a potential Mafia action away from a Townie or forcing a scum PR to target their own teammate would mess up the Mafia's night phase and give us info."

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