Epstein's Island Mafia DP2

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/9/2026 at 11:40 PM (post #239)

Unofficial Vote Count

Helz (1/4): Mag1cman

Mag1cman (1/4): Kohai

Not voting: Helz, Lunatic, Noah, whiteflame, Thoth

We got the bot. No need to do this

Living

Claims

Kohai- Bill Clinton- Popular, confirmed (post 4/95, dp1)

Helz- Ehud Barak- Vanilla or Paranoid Gun Owner, does not visit (post 14/174 dp1, post 136 dp2)

NoAhLeEcLaRk- David Copperfield- 2x Town Redirector, did not act NP1 (post 6 dp1, post 118/129 dp2)

whiteflame- Donald Trump- Role unclaimed, claims he was Vanillaized NP1 (post 2/79, dp2)

Mag1cman- Claims he was Blackmailed NP1 (post 3, dp2)

Thoth- Says his role cannot Vanillaize (post 199, dp2)

Unclaimed

Lunatic

Mag1cman

Thoth

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 10:37 PM (post #237)

Don't want to give away what it is, but technically yes.

I probably should have rephrased that. I meant to ask if you were told whether or not you would get a chance to use your role if you had one. So an order of operations question

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 6:33 PM (post #56)

I will say after this game we really need to outline community standards of what is or is not bastard.

Facts

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 6:45 PM (post #57)

Oh shit. Check this out-

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/3p/solo-leveling---day-phase-3?commentId=69dc0abcf1ca45e4130c77c3

Here is the end game

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/endgames/posts/4a/solo-leveling-endgame

So this is what I was talking about. And it was Mag1c that did it. Said over and over and over to town pushing that I was scum and people just followed the rhetoric and nobody cared to verify even as I called out again and again that they have never even made any points as to why I was scum. They (as scum) shoved through my misslynch.

I am not sure exactly what you are getting at by linking to this?

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/9/2026 at 11:44 PM (post #244)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 6:33 PM (post #56)

I will say after this game we really need to outline community standards of what is or is not bastard.

Facts

ive literally tried that

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/mafia-discussion/posts/1l/bastard-games

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/9/2026 at 11:42 PM (post #243)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 10:37 PM (post #237)

Don't want to give away what it is, but technically yes.

I probably should have rephrased that. I meant to ask if you were told whether or not you would get a chance to use your role if you had one. So an order of operations question

That's pretty much what I thought you meant. The Vanillaizing was not also an RB, that was confirmed.

@Mag1cman, I'm not sure what you're allowed to say, but if you can, could you explain the Helz vote at all? Even a yes or no on whether it's based on something from DP1 or something new would help.

@Savant, is magic allowed to clarify what his blackmail actually restricts, or is that off limits?

Noah - Your NP1 explanation went back and forth a bit (targeted, then didn't act, then planned to target me and Kohai). I think it's inexperience, but can you walk through what your plan is for tonight?

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/9/2026 at 10:49 PM (post #249)

@Savant, is magic allowed to clarify what his blackmail actually restricts, or is that off limits?

I'm p sure it's just silencer if he has not posted by now

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/9/2026 at 10:44 PM (post #245)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 6:45 PM (post #57)

Oh shit. Check this out-

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/3p/solo-leveling---day-phase-3?commentId=69dc0abcf1ca45e4130c77c3

Here is the end game

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/endgames/posts/4a/solo-leveling-endgame

So this is what I was talking about. And it was Mag1c that did it. Said over and over and over to town pushing that I was scum and people just followed the rhetoric and nobody cared to verify even as I called out again and again that they have never even made any points as to why I was scum. They (as scum) shoved through my misslynch.

I am not sure exactly what you are getting at by linking to this?

I was pointing to my first game where it was the only time I was misslynched in this community and how it happened. Initially I was just talking about the thing that happened and just asking that people actually give reasoning and interact as I walked into the thread seeing I was voted.

After that I looked it up and found it was actually Mag1c who was the one as scum who shoved me while avoiding reasoning. I felt there was some parallel to that and this and by giving exact links people could referance the meta I am talking about (Which is also why I fucking hate meta.. Its such a pain in the ass to even understand or speak about)

Btw. My challenge this game was to use all the things I never use and force myself to play. Hence me pushing Flavor and Meta and other shit I never touch.

Thoth, I said earlier you were one of my top reads and I want to follow through on that.

Kohai pointed out Mago was voting you when he died. I'll be honest, I lean towards that being WIFOM since killing the guy pushing you is pretty blatant, but it's still something I want to put to you.

Who do you think is lying between WF and magic, and why?

I know you said something about a hurricane adventure so I will wait as long is reasonable for a response, but you are still a top problem for me that we have to deal with at some point.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 9:51 PM (post #253)

Btw. My challenge this game was to use all the things I never use and force myself to play. Hence me pushing Flavor and Meta and other shit I never touch.

I did raise my eye brows a bit when you demanded a claim from

Whiteflame earlier lol

I strongly disagree with Helz in #77 that the 7-day timeline is scum-sided. All games on here have a timeline. This one is just set up in a way that requires us to figure out how to budget our time.

I don't have a plan for tonight, I can only perform my action on odd nights.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/9/2026 at 10:55 PM (post #254)

Who do you think is lying between WF and magic, and why?

Staying inside ain't an adventure lol

Anyway, at this juncture, Mag1c is my choice of scum, but I am only on page 5 reading up atm

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 11:59 PM (post #257)

I don't have a plan for tonight, I can only perform my action on odd nights.

Wait are you two shot or odd night or 2 shot odd night? Your being very inconsistent with your claims

You said your character makes your role obvious. Only one role comes to mind as fitting DJT. I don't want to say it in case it's right, but it's not a perfect match.

Every odd night once

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/9/2026 at 10:58 PM (post #255)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 9:51 PM (post #253)

Btw. My challenge this game was to use all the things I never use and force myself to play. Hence me pushing Flavor and Meta and other shit I never touch.

I did raise my eye brows a bit when you demanded a claim from

Whiteflame earlier lol

Lol. Yeah. Its very very outside of my norm. Kinda surprised nobody ever called me on it.

But at this point I do think we should just full flavor claim. Doc is dead. We also have an overcrowded PR situation and at least hammering out the potential split makes sense.

Roles should not be revealed but people should look at whats claimed and question what they could believe to exist.

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/10/2026 at 12:06 AM (post #261)

Every odd night once

So... you're a 2X use odd night Redirector? That's a weird mix.

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/10/2026 at 12:06 AM (post #261)

Every odd night once

Probkem I’m having with solving you is how inconsistent your claim has been.

2x

then it was odd night

didn’t target anyone

thise are not the same claims

Obv don’t claim but can you tell if your action was messed with?

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/10/2026 at 12:06 AM (post #260)

You said your character makes your role obvious. Only one role comes to mind as fitting DJT. I don't want to say it in case it's right, but it's not a perfect match.

I'm just going to keep things vague here in the hopes that I'm the only one who saw this as obvious. I wouldn't call it perfect, though.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/9/2026 at 10:59 PM (post #256)

I strongly disagree with Helz in #77 that the 7-day timeline is scum-sided. All games on here have a timeline. This one is just set up in a way that requires us to figure out how to budget our time.

I feel its a very scum sided mechanic given it puts on players to budget or else mafia has an insta-win at some point. Controlled voting cycles is fair. It would be equally biased to give town an insta-win if mafia did not eliminate X amount within X time.

That is imo an objectively scum sided mechanic. Which is not a bad thing. Just one I question with the claims given.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 10:09 PM (post #265)

Obv don’t claim but can you tell if your action was messed with?

I don’t think so

I was gonna perform an action on night 1, but Savant never replied back on how it would work if say, I did it between you and Lunatic, but my role is

2x Redirector- to which I can perform my action only on odd nights

I win with the town

Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/10/2026 at 12:13 AM (post #269)

I was gonna perform an action on night 1, but Savant never replied back on how it would work if say, I did it between you and Lunatic, but my role is

2x Redirector- to which I can perform my action only on odd nights

I win with the town

Can you re phrase justification?