Epstein's Island Mafia DP2

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/10/2026 at 9:33 PM (post #321)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 8:32 PM (post #320)

You, Mag1c and Luna are the only ones that haven’t. Unless y’all have some super god powers then we are very under powered here.

Again, one of the current claimants has most likely lied.

Which one and why?

Why Luna?

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #331)

Which one and why?

The currently unclaimed people are myself, Lunatic, and Mag1cman. I feel decent on Luna and not so decent on Mag1c. Any of the other four could be lying, I don’t know which.

#136: I get the logic of claiming to be 1 of 2 things, but effectively vanilla or PGO strike me as a weird pair. Dunno why vanilla would go on that list except to claim something that won't be counter-claimed.

Home now.

Imo there is lies that have to be called out and we have a situation where everyone aknoledges that. Towns most critical PR is dead. I am not asking for a full PR reveal but the game balance does not match up with what we know to exist.

Im still where I was yesterday feeling there is a big gap in balance that does not add up. I would not mind pushing for a full flavor claim. WF's refusal to claim because it points to their action is a giant question mark for me. Like... What would that claim even narrow down? Not saying that to ask WF for a claim but I am questioning how a claim of being Trump would point to any specific role and how that matches up with them refusing to give a flavor D1. Trump is like... All over the place. I could see justification of being any role on the planet with that flavor.

I have the paranoia of how easily everyone is accepting of a Mag1c lynch and I recognize that it is paranoia. Figure we need to move soon regardless. Duno who is around at this hour.

Again, I disagree with calling this game's time-budgeting system an instant-win mechanic. It's no different than day/night phases with separate clocks in that Mafia wins if town lets deadlines expire without lynching.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/10/2026 at 11:12 PM (post #335)

I have the paranoia of how easily everyone is accepting of a Mag1c lynch and I recognize that it is paranoia. Figure we need to move soon regardless. Duno who is around at this hour.

+1 on tbe paranoia.

I also question if either w!wf or Mag1c would claim knowing full will it’ll draw attention to game balance.

UNVOTE

I'm about 50% confident that I know what role whiteflame is, but if he's lying then it's useless information, and if he's telling the truth there's no reason to out it.

I could claim my character since I don't think it would give away my role.

I consider investigatives to be more critical than Doctor, and I'm curious for your take on that.

I want to examine the possible scum teams assuming Mag1c is scum.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/10/2026 at 11:12 PM (post #335)

Home now.

Imo there is lies that have to be called out and we have a situation where everyone aknoledges that. Towns most critical PR is dead. I am not asking for a full PR reveal but the game balance does not match up with what we know to exist.

Im still where I was yesterday feeling there is a big gap in balance that does not add up. I would not mind pushing for a full flavor claim. WF's refusal to claim because it points to their action is a giant question mark for me. Like... What would that claim even narrow down? Not saying that to ask WF for a claim but I am questioning how a claim of being Trump would point to any specific role and how that matches up with them refusing to give a flavor D1. Trump is like... All over the place. I could see justification of being any role on the planet with that flavor.

I have the paranoia of how easily everyone is accepting of a Mag1c lynch and I recognize that it is paranoia. Figure we need to move soon regardless. Duno who is around at this hour.

I don't think my role claim would help dramatically at this point, honestly. I do think there's value in keeping it hidden even now, but I'll admit that's become a whole lot less so since I was Vanillaized. As for what it is being obvious, while I agree that there are probably numerous roles that could have been justifiable for Trump, I do think there are a few more obvious picks, one of which (the one I got) was exactly where my mind went when I saw the character.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/10/2026 at 10:18 PM (post #339)

I do think there's value in keeping it hidden even now, but I'll admit that's become a whole lot less so since I was Vanillaized.

If it's what I think, the only possible value is from the off chance of a counter-claim. Notwithstanding that it would have been a better fit for another claimed character.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/10/2026 at 10:11 PM (post #334)

#136: I get the logic of claiming to be 1 of 2 things, but effectively vanilla or PGO strike me as a weird pair. Dunno why vanilla would go on that list except to claim something that won't be counter-claimed.

Fits what I am doing. I won't explain now but my play represents one of those two roles and one of the two is true.

Could you please clarify what you meant in #142 by your role misdirecting your connections with Epstein?

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/10/2026 at 10:17 PM (post #338)

I'm about 50% confident that I know what role whiteflame is, but if he's lying then it's useless information, and if he's telling the truth there's no reason to out it.

I could claim my character since I don't think it would give away my role.

I consider investigatives to be more critical than Doctor, and I'm curious for your take on that.

I want to examine the possible scum teams assuming Mag1c is scum.

Difference in my head is that with a doc existing we can stop a kill. Whatever invest may exist is subject to all sorts of WIFOM. Especially with claimed redirection in play.

And that is why again I feel the two claims can not be true. Town looks weak to me with a super crazy scum power if they both blackmail + remove a role + a dead town has a negative function + they just auto win at a certain time.

I think Savant and Pie would not allow such an imbalance.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/10/2026 at 11:21 PM (post #340)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/10/2026 at 10:18 PM (post #339)

I do think there's value in keeping it hidden even now, but I'll admit that's become a whole lot less so since I was Vanillaized.

If it's what I think, the only possible value is from the off chance of a counter-claim. Notwithstanding that it would have been a better fit for another claimed character.

Yeah, I said as much already, that the purpose of keeping it hidden was to give scum less information to fashion fake claims. Not sure it would have been a better fit for another claimed character, actually.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/10/2026 at 10:18 PM (post #339)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/10/2026 at 11:12 PM (post #335)

Home now.

Imo there is lies that have to be called out and we have a situation where everyone aknoledges that. Towns most critical PR is dead. I am not asking for a full PR reveal but the game balance does not match up with what we know to exist.

Im still where I was yesterday feeling there is a big gap in balance that does not add up. I would not mind pushing for a full flavor claim. WF's refusal to claim because it points to their action is a giant question mark for me. Like... What would that claim even narrow down? Not saying that to ask WF for a claim but I am questioning how a claim of being Trump would point to any specific role and how that matches up with them refusing to give a flavor D1. Trump is like... All over the place. I could see justification of being any role on the planet with that flavor.

I have the paranoia of how easily everyone is accepting of a Mag1c lynch and I recognize that it is paranoia. Figure we need to move soon regardless. Duno who is around at this hour.

I don't think my role claim would help dramatically at this point, honestly. I do think there's value in keeping it hidden even now, but I'll admit that's become a whole lot less so since I was Vanillaized. As for what it is being obvious, while I agree that there are probably numerous roles that could have been justifiable for Trump, I do think there are a few more obvious picks, one of which (the one I got) was exactly where my mind went when I saw the character.

Your call there. I am not asking for a role claim but I am calling out that I question thinking its obvious.

Maybe everyone else will see some obvious role there. I do not have one that comes to mind other than like mayor? "You are the asshole of the world and make shit happen" kinda deal? But then why hide that?

I just feel weird looking at your claim and feeling it both totally gave away your role as well as its somehow something to protect now. Trump is probably the most all over the place flavor claim I can think of and you refused to flavor claim saying that it would make your role obvious. I just question that.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 9:34 PM (post #163)

Plus if I recall correctly in mag’s game where we had a blackmailer the person blackmailed wasn’t even allowed to directly claim to be blackmailed.

That's because Mag1c announced it in the OP.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/10/2026 at 11:28 PM (post #345)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/10/2026 at 10:18 PM (post #339)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/10/2026 at 11:12 PM (post #335)

Home now.

Imo there is lies that have to be called out and we have a situation where everyone aknoledges that. Towns most critical PR is dead. I am not asking for a full PR reveal but the game balance does not match up with what we know to exist.

Im still where I was yesterday feeling there is a big gap in balance that does not add up. I would not mind pushing for a full flavor claim. WF's refusal to claim because it points to their action is a giant question mark for me. Like... What would that claim even narrow down? Not saying that to ask WF for a claim but I am questioning how a claim of being Trump would point to any specific role and how that matches up with them refusing to give a flavor D1. Trump is like... All over the place. I could see justification of being any role on the planet with that flavor.

I have the paranoia of how easily everyone is accepting of a Mag1c lynch and I recognize that it is paranoia. Figure we need to move soon regardless. Duno who is around at this hour.

I don't think my role claim would help dramatically at this point, honestly. I do think there's value in keeping it hidden even now, but I'll admit that's become a whole lot less so since I was Vanillaized. As for what it is being obvious, while I agree that there are probably numerous roles that could have been justifiable for Trump, I do think there are a few more obvious picks, one of which (the one I got) was exactly where my mind went when I saw the character.

Your call there. I am not asking for a role claim but I am calling out that I question thinking its obvious.

Maybe everyone else will see some obvious role there. I do not have one that comes to mind other than like mayor? "You are the asshole of the world and make shit happen" kinda deal? But then why hide that?

I just feel weird looking at your claim and feeling it both totally gave away your role as well as its somehow something to protect now. Trump is probably the most all over the place flavor claim I can think of and you refused to flavor claim saying that it would make your role obvious. I just question that.

All I'm saying is that I would have called this role straight up if someone else had claimed Trump. I can see the argument that the character could be paired with a lot of different roles. Maybe this connection just seems more obvious to me given a particular photo of his sticks out in my mind.

Mayor = You can confirm yourself at any time?

Oh ok, so Martyr

Thank you Pie

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/10/2026 at 11:31 PM (post #349)

Oh ok, so Martyr

Thank you Pie

Not far off, but that would be on brand in its own way.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/10/2026 at 11:33 PM (post #350)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/10/2026 at 11:31 PM (post #349)

Oh ok, so Martyr

Thank you Pie

Not far off, but that would be on brand in its own way.

Ugh I think we do need a claim at very least so we can have better balance view

I am much less interested in WF's claim and much more interested in the fact they refused to flavor claim voicing it would reveal their specific role.

Of every flavor so far they have claimed the one I feel is like.. A total wild card.

I think there's no harm in me claiming at this point except for the same reason as whiteflame, for the potential of counter-claiming or at least forcing scum to use a question. Could be wrong

On second thought, no, there could be harm in it

And I am retarded

I do still believe that Mag1c and WF are in a 1v1. Granted I have stronger feelings that WF is town but I am kinda paranoid and want to call out what I am looking at.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 11:38 PM (post #351)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/10/2026 at 11:33 PM (post #350)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/10/2026 at 11:31 PM (post #349)

Oh ok, so Martyr

Thank you Pie

Not far off, but that would be on brand in its own way.

Ugh I think we do need a claim at very least so we can have better balance view

Already mentioned it won't help much on that front, but I'd be surprised if scum haven't figured it out at this point. I'm 1X BP. Justification is that I survived assassination attempts, and yes, the PM draws specific attention to the one where I was shot in the ear and the subsequent photo is the one I was referring to.

Oh, From memory odd day 2 shot redirect makes some kinda sense.

Shooting D1 and D3 fits with the option of instead holding out for a D5. D5 kinda feels like the expected limit of the game without crazy exceptions. Someone said otherwise and I figured I should voice that the odd modifier fits for that respect even if the role makes a lot of sense for either alignment to me.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/10/2026 at 10:44 PM (post #357)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 11:38 PM (post #351)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/10/2026 at 11:33 PM (post #350)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/10/2026 at 11:31 PM (post #349)

Oh ok, so Martyr

Thank you Pie

Not far off, but that would be on brand in its own way.

Ugh I think we do need a claim at very least so we can have better balance view

Already mentioned it won't help much on that front, but I'd be surprised if scum haven't figured it out at this point. I'm 1X BP. Justification is that I survived assassination attempts, and yes, the PM draws specific attention to the one where I was shot in the ear and the subsequent photo is the one I was referring to.

I still have the question though, Why did you feel that was so obvious to the point that you felt flavor claiming was out of the question?

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/10/2026 at 11:47 PM (post #359)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/10/2026 at 10:44 PM (post #357)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 11:38 PM (post #351)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/10/2026 at 11:33 PM (post #350)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/10/2026 at 11:31 PM (post #349)

Oh ok, so Martyr

Thank you Pie

Not far off, but that would be on brand in its own way.

Ugh I think we do need a claim at very least so we can have better balance view

Already mentioned it won't help much on that front, but I'd be surprised if scum haven't figured it out at this point. I'm 1X BP. Justification is that I survived assassination attempts, and yes, the PM draws specific attention to the one where I was shot in the ear and the subsequent photo is the one I was referring to.

I still have the question though, Why did you feel that was so obvious to the point that you felt flavor claiming was out of the question?

Because I do feel it was obvious. You can disagree with that, but Thoth nearly figured it out.