Epstein's Island Mafia DP2

I didn't really get a good explanation how I was even connected with him?

Wait so we have a bp and a 2x doctor?

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 11:53 PM (post #362)

Wait so we have a bp and a 2x doctor?

Yes. If it helps to know, mine required me to say when I wanted to use it. Worst type of BP IMO, have to predict when I'd become the target of the NK and if I'm wrong it's useless.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/10/2026 at 11:55 PM (post #363)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 11:53 PM (post #362)

Wait so we have a bp and a 2x doctor?

Yes. If it helps to know, mine required me to say when I wanted to use it. Worst type of BP IMO, have to predict when I'd become the target of the NK and if I'm wrong it's useless

Ugh. Town is pretty under powered here.

DJT checks out as I’d be shocked if he weren’t in the game. BP checks off also

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/10/2026 at 10:48 PM (post #360)

Because I do feel it was obvious. You can disagree with that, but Thoth nearly figured it out.

Until you mentioned a photograph, I was thinking Governor, and my main qualm was that Bill Clinton would have fit better since he was the Governor of Arkansas before becoming President. I figured Helz might have missed that in #345 because Governor might not exist or be called something else in his Mafia background.

The flavor lines up for sure

Epstein’s Island Mafia Claimslist

Graveyard

Lynched DP1:

Shining - You are Bill Gates. In addition to your work on technology, you have been involved in many healthcare initiatives, accelerating access to vaccines and injecting people with microchips to track them and keep them safe. Because of your work improving global health, you are the 2x Doctor, which is also the name of a game you may have played with children on Epstein’s Island. On two nights of your choosing, you can select a player to protect from fatal attacks. You win with the Town.

Died NP1:

Magoroth - You are Michael Jackson. Often called the “King of Pop,” you are widely regarded as one of the most culturally significant figures of the 20th century. You were also accused of sexually abusing at least 10 children, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein connections. Because you are widely known for your music, you are the Singer. If you die at night, a random living town player’s role PM will be revealed to the mafia. You win with the Town.

Living

Claims

Kohai- Bill Clinton- Popular, confirmed (post 4/95, dp1)

Helz- Ehud Barak- Either VT or PGO 

NoAhLeEcLaRk- David Copperfield (post 6, dp1) 2x redirector 

whiteflame- DJT - BP - Claimed vanillaized

Mag1cman - Claimed to have been blackmailed 

Unclaimed

Lunatic

Mag1cman

Thoth

Thoth, Sense you are here if you are not willing to claim flavor do you see balance or imbalance knowing what you know?

At this point I would prefer a full flavor claim from everyone but I do not want to force it.

I know I brought this up before, so call me a hypocrite, but whiteflame’s claimed justification seems like the sort of thing Pie would put in one of his games, and Pie’s contribution to this game was supposed to just be balancing. whiteflame’s claim could be pandering to Pie’s involvement to look believable.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 11:59 PM (post #364)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/10/2026 at 11:55 PM (post #363)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 11:53 PM (post #362)

Wait so we have a bp and a 2x doctor?

Yes. If it helps to know, mine required me to say when I wanted to use it. Worst type of BP IMO, have to predict when I'd become the target of the NK and if I'm wrong it's useless

Ugh. Town is pretty under powered here.

DJT checks out as I’d be shocked if he weren’t in the game. BP checks off also

Yep, that's bothering me a lot. Town being this underpowered points to something being awry, hence I've been in agreement about the whole Vanillaizer vs. Blackmailer situation.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/10/2026 at 11:02 PM (post #368)

Thoth, Sense you are here if you are not willing to claim flavor do you see balance or imbalance knowing what you know?

I am the last person to ask about that after the reception to my most recent game (Majora’s Mask), but it seems reasonably balanced to me.

At this point I would prefer a full flavor claim from everyone but I do not want to force it.

I think I am safe to claim my character. I am Virginia Giuffre.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/10/2026 at 11:59 PM (post #365)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/10/2026 at 10:48 PM (post #360)

Because I do feel it was obvious. You can disagree with that, but Thoth nearly figured it out.

Until you mentioned a photograph, I was thinking Governor, and my main qualm was that Bill Clinton would have fit better since he was the Governor of Arkansas before becoming President. I figured Helz might have missed that in #345 because Governor might not exist or be called something else in his Mafia background.

Interesting. Yeah, wouldn't have pegged Trump as Governor myself, though I can see why that might be the first thought.

Epstein’s Island Mafia Claimslist

Graveyard

Lynched DP1:

Shining - You are Bill Gates. In addition to your work on technology, you have been involved in many healthcare initiatives, accelerating access to vaccines and injecting people with microchips to track them and keep them safe. Because of your work improving global health, you are the 2x Doctor, which is also the name of a game you may have played with children on Epstein’s Island. On two nights of your choosing, you can select a player to protect from fatal attacks. You win with the Town.

Died NP1:

Magoroth - You are Michael Jackson. Often called the “King of Pop,” you are widely regarded as one of the most culturally significant figures of the 20th century. You were also accused of sexually abusing at least 10 children, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein connections. Because you are widely known for your music, you are the Singer. If you die at night, a random living town player’s role PM will be revealed to the mafia. You win with the Town.

Living

Claims

Kohai- Bill Clinton- Popular, confirmed (post 4/95, dp1)

Helz- Ehud Barak- Either VT or PGO 

NoAhLeEcLaRk- David Copperfield (post 6, dp1) 2x redirector 

whiteflame- DJT - BP - Claimed vanillaized

Mag1cman - Claimed to have been blackmailed 

Thoth - Virginia Giuffre

Unclaimed

Lunatic

Mag1cman

We have to be missing something here. There’s too many negative town roles to make sense

I think I am safe to claim my character. I am Virginia Giuffre.

Hmmm... first person to claim a victim of Epstein. That's interesting.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/11/2026 at 12:06 AM (post #375)

I think I am safe to claim my character. I am Virginia Giuffre.

Hmmm... first person to claim a victim of Epstein. That's interesting.

Agreed. Definitely sticks out

With what has been claimed we may as well be playing mountainous

Caught up. Magic never answered when I asked about the Helz vote, and I’ve been waiting a while. I get that he’s blackmailed or silenced or whatever it is, but he was still able to post a vote, so I’d expect him to manage a yes or no on why. He is either unable to from the blackmail or he is lying about the blackmail.

Kohai’s point about blackmailed players normally not being allowed to claim is one to take into consideration, however that still very much points to one of magic and whiteflame lilely lying. And WF’s BP claim makes sense with the flavor, so I’m sticking with my WF town read. That leaves magic as the one that doesn’t add up between them.

WF, fair enough on being wary of me for not claiming. I’m happy to claim if people want it, but I’d rather not hand scum more info if we don’t need it right now.

Noah, still waiting on an actual reason for the sus beyond me “explaining too fast.”

Ready to vote magic and move on when we feel we've gotten sufficient nutrients from this phase.

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Mag1cman (2/4): whiteflame (p#288), NoAhLeEcLaRk (p#293)

Helz (1/4): Mag1cman (p#8)

Not Voting (4): Helz, Kohai (p#337), Lunatic, Thoth

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Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/11/2026 at 12:11 AM (post #378)

Ready to vote magic and move on when we feel we've gotten sufficient nutrients from this phase.

Sadly agreed. I’m ready to hammer. We’ve been well past the budget for this day anyway.

Since almost everhone is here just need to make sure we have actions in

Another thing into consideration - When I was scum with a blackmailer we were explicitly trying to derail the target because we wanted to get in the extra kill. I don’t see anyone pushing back on this wagon.

That said the lack of pushback does bother me some

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/10/2026 at 11:11 PM (post #378)

Caught up. Magic never answered when I asked about the Helz vote, and I’ve been waiting a while. I get that he’s blackmailed or silenced or whatever it is, but he was still able to post a vote, so I’d expect him to manage a yes or no on why. He is either unable to from the blackmail or he is lying about the blackmail.

Kohai’s point about blackmailed players normally not being allowed to claim is one to take into consideration, however that still very much points to one of magic and whiteflame lilely lying. And WF’s BP claim makes sense with the flavor, so I’m sticking with my WF town read. That leaves magic as the one that doesn’t add up between them.

WF, fair enough on being wary of me for not claiming. I’m happy to claim if people want it, but I’d rather not hand scum more info if we don’t need it right now.

Noah, still waiting on an actual reason for the sus beyond me “explaining too fast.”

Ready to vote magic and move on when we feel we've gotten sufficient nutrients from this phase.

So blackmailer is something I am very familiar with. Something on my mind is very exactly the conditions.

Lets say hypothetically they were allowed to say they were blackmailed. And then on top of that they still have freedom to vote. Note they voted twice so they do certainly have that freedom. Why would they not unvote and revote and vote other people as a form of communication if thats all thats allowed to them?

I'm worried about the lack of pushback as well, but I don't see much choice here at this point. I'm leaving my vote where it is and heading off for the night. Don't mind if Luna ends up claiming next DP instead of this one, hopefully by then we have a scum flip to work from or at least something we can use to inform a lynch next DP.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 10:14 PM (post #381)

Another thing into consideration - When I was scum with a blackmailer we were explicitly trying to derail the target because we wanted to get in the extra kill. I don’t see anyone pushing back on this wagon.

That said the lack of pushback does bother me some

There was considerable pushback in the beginning, seems like a train v train with magic vs helz. Helz is mostly winning because magic is unable to respond to anything, but there definitely is some real commit to the bit going on if both are the same affil and hard bussing, so there's a chance there is TvT or TvS in helz magic. That said, if we are wrong we have to accept the idea that either whiteflame was lying or that there was a vanillizer and a blackmailer in the same night. Which I guess is possible, but it seems as odd to me as it is to everyone else

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 12:17 AM (post #382)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/10/2026 at 11:11 PM (post #378)

Caught up. Magic never answered when I asked about the Helz vote, and I’ve been waiting a while. I get that he’s blackmailed or silenced or whatever it is, but he was still able to post a vote, so I’d expect him to manage a yes or no on why. He is either unable to from the blackmail or he is lying about the blackmail.

Kohai’s point about blackmailed players normally not being allowed to claim is one to take into consideration, however that still very much points to one of magic and whiteflame lilely lying. And WF’s BP claim makes sense with the flavor, so I’m sticking with my WF town read. That leaves magic as the one that doesn’t add up between them.

WF, fair enough on being wary of me for not claiming. I’m happy to claim if people want it, but I’d rather not hand scum more info if we don’t need it right now.

Noah, still waiting on an actual reason for the sus beyond me “explaining too fast.”

Ready to vote magic and move on when we feel we've gotten sufficient nutrients from this phase.

So blackmailer is something I am very familiar with. Something on my mind is very exactly the conditions.

Lets say hypothetically they were allowed to say they were blackmailed. And then on top of that they still have freedom to vote. Note they voted twice so they do certainly have that freedom. Why would they not unvote and revote and vote other people as a form of communication if thats all thats allowed to them?

Excellent points

If I was blackmailed and told all I could do was vote I would probably go as far as to try to make morse code with votes or some crazy shit if not in the very least shift votes around to use it as a way to communicate as I would hope someone would work with me and create a path for me to communicate through my votes.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/11/2026 at 12:18 AM (post #384)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 10:14 PM (post #381)

Another thing into consideration - When I was scum with a blackmailer we were explicitly trying to derail the target because we wanted to get in the extra kill. I don’t see anyone pushing back on this wagon.

That said the lack of pushback does bother me some

There was considerable pushback in the beginning, seems like a train v train with magic vs helz. Helz is mostly winning because magic is unable to respond to anything, but there definitely is some real commit to the bit going on if both are the same affil and hard bussing, so there's a chance there is TvT or TvS in helz magic. That said, if we are wrong we have to accept the idea that either whiteflame was lying or that there was a vanillizer and a blackmailer in the same night. Which I guess is possible, but it seems as odd to me as it is to everyone else

If Helz and Mag1c are v/v then who’s scum?

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 12:19 AM (post #386)

If I was blackmailed and told all I could do was vote I would probably go as far as to try to make morse code with votes or some crazy shit if not in the very least shift votes around to use it as a way to communicate as I would hope someone would work with me and create a path for me to communicate through my votes.

Yeah. Something doesn’t add up

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/10/2026 at 10:17 PM (post #382)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/10/2026 at 11:11 PM (post #378)

Caught up. Magic never answered when I asked about the Helz vote, and I’ve been waiting a while. I get that he’s blackmailed or silenced or whatever it is, but he was still able to post a vote, so I’d expect him to manage a yes or no on why. He is either unable to from the blackmail or he is lying about the blackmail.

Kohai’s point about blackmailed players normally not being allowed to claim is one to take into consideration, however that still very much points to one of magic and whiteflame lilely lying. And WF’s BP claim makes sense with the flavor, so I’m sticking with my WF town read. That leaves magic as the one that doesn’t add up between them.

WF, fair enough on being wary of me for not claiming. I’m happy to claim if people want it, but I’d rather not hand scum more info if we don’t need it right now.

Noah, still waiting on an actual reason for the sus beyond me “explaining too fast.”

Ready to vote magic and move on when we feel we've gotten sufficient nutrients from this phase.

So blackmailer is something I am very familiar with. Something on my mind is very exactly the conditions.

Lets say hypothetically they were allowed to say they were blackmailed. And then on top of that they still have freedom to vote. Note they voted twice so they do certainly have that freedom. Why would they not unvote and revote and vote other people as a form of communication if thats all thats allowed to them?

Yeah its odd, I have no clue. If he was actually blackmailed, I am unsure what his parameters were.

This is just a tinfoil passing thought, but given the supposed weakness of town so far, is it plausible that scum have a day rolecop and silenced Mag1c because they checked him and didn't want him to share his results?