Epstein's Island Mafia DP2

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 10:19 PM (post #387)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/11/2026 at 12:18 AM (post #384)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 10:14 PM (post #381)

Another thing into consideration - When I was scum with a blackmailer we were explicitly trying to derail the target because we wanted to get in the extra kill. I don’t see anyone pushing back on this wagon.

That said the lack of pushback does bother me some

There was considerable pushback in the beginning, seems like a train v train with magic vs helz. Helz is mostly winning because magic is unable to respond to anything, but there definitely is some real commit to the bit going on if both are the same affil and hard bussing, so there's a chance there is TvT or TvS in helz magic. That said, if we are wrong we have to accept the idea that either whiteflame was lying or that there was a vanillizer and a blackmailer in the same night. Which I guess is possible, but it seems as odd to me as it is to everyone else

If Helz and Mag1c are v/v then who’s scum?

One of you WF, you, Noah, Thoth. TBH we really don't have much in the way of town confirmation yet, so everyone is still on the table for me. I can see a scum world for all those players. Thoth remains one of my biggest suspects and his outlier claim doesn't help with that.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/11/2026 at 12:21 AM (post #390)

This is just a tinfoil passing thought, but given the supposed weakness of town so far, is it plausible that scum have a day rolecop and silenced Mag1c because they checked him and didn't want him to share his results?

That would make scum even more powerful

Could be an investigative they didn't want to bother killing yet

If Mag1c is town I’m gonna take a hard look at NoAh especially with his inconsistent claims and another negative utility role

Occam's razor says that Mag1c is just scum. But I still have huge questions about WF's play given their claim. I duno.

My paranoia about the lack of push back on a Mag1c train is bothering me. Kinda my main points for today.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 12:23 AM (post #395)

Occam's razor says that Mag1c is just scum. But I still have huge questions about WF's play given their claim. I duno.

My paranoia about the lack of push back on a Mag1c train is bothering me. Kinda my main points for today.

Same

But in a w!Mag1c world for him to claim and disappear means that he thinks his partner is in good shape.

Hmmm

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Helz (1/4): Mag1cman (p#8)

Not Voting (4): Helz, Kohai (p#337), Lunatic, Thoth

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I think it has to be 1 scum in Mag1c and WF. If we miss with Mag1c, then we lynch WF and go to final three unless something ground-shattering happens before then

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/10/2026 at 11:23 PM (post #395)

My paranoia about the lack of push back on a Mag1c train is bothering me. Kinda my main points for today.

I get your paranoia, but I think there's just not much evidence with which to push back

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 11:23 PM (post #396)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 12:23 AM (post #395)

Occam's razor says that Mag1c is just scum. But I still have huge questions about WF's play given their claim. I duno.

My paranoia about the lack of push back on a Mag1c train is bothering me. Kinda my main points for today.

Same

But in a w!Mag1c world for him to claim and disappear means that he thinks his partner is in good shape.

Hmmm

I mean, something I thought about if I was him in his position as a wolf he has 2 options:

1- He just makes the claim and commits to it

2- He backs off and says "JK guys, It was just a gambit"

As town he also has a few options:

1- He does the blackmail and just logs out and does not try (makes no sense)

2- He does the blackmail and works around it using his votes to code messages and voice things letting people know he is watching and has thoughts voicing them in the limited capacity of using votes

3- He violates blackmail recognizing he is dead if he does or does not seeing how town is looking at the situation and just lets it happen while giving voice to his oppinion.

Imo he is simply scum caught doing something stupid and chose not to backtrack. As town if I was gona die if I did speak or not I would simply voice my thoughts and accept death.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 11:22 PM (post #392)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/11/2026 at 12:21 AM (post #390)

This is just a tinfoil passing thought, but given the supposed weakness of town so far, is it plausible that scum have a day rolecop and silenced Mag1c because they checked him and didn't want him to share his results?

That would make scum even more powerful

In which case WF would almost certainly be lying.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/11/2026 at 12:26 AM (post #398)

I think it has to be 1 scum in Mag1c and WF. If we miss with Mag1c, then we lynch WF and go to final three unless something ground-shattering happens before then

Probkem is if we lynch wrong tomorrow is likely LyLo

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/10/2026 at 11:27 PM (post #399)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/10/2026 at 11:23 PM (post #395)

My paranoia about the lack of push back on a Mag1c train is bothering me. Kinda my main points for today.

I get your paranoia, but I think there's just not much evidence with which to push back

I agree. I wanted more out of the day so I pushed around. I might be a little crass for doing so but we got some interesting reactions as I pushed open a door to WF and we got some information out of it.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/10/2026 at 11:30 PM (post #403)

I agree. I wanted more out of the day so I pushed around. I might be a little crass for doing so but we got some interesting reactions as I pushed open a door to WF and we got some information out of it.

I have criticized people for ending a day early rather than fishing for reactions and other information when one person was an obvious turbolynch, so point taken.

Getting ready for bed. Rverhone ok if i put mag1c ar L1?

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 11:29 PM (post #402)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/11/2026 at 12:26 AM (post #398)

I think it has to be 1 scum in Mag1c and WF. If we miss with Mag1c, then we lynch WF and go to final three unless something ground-shattering happens before then

Probkem is if we lynch wrong tomorrow is likely LyLo

True. Let me look at this again but if we have the option to not lynch then we could use Mylo to force scum to limit the pool and allow Mag1c to speak before we decide.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 11:29 PM (post #402)

Probkem is if we lynch wrong tomorrow is likely LyLo

7 today, 5 tomorrow, 3 on DP4. Tomorrow won't be LyLo unless there is an extra kill.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 12:32 AM (post #406)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 11:29 PM (post #402)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/11/2026 at 12:26 AM (post #398)

I think it has to be 1 scum in Mag1c and WF. If we miss with Mag1c, then we lynch WF and go to final three unless something ground-shattering happens before then

Probkem is if we lynch wrong tomorrow is likely LyLo

True. Let me look at this again but if we have the option to not lynch then we could use Mylo to force scum to limit the pool and allow Mag1c to speak before we decide.

Probkem is we explocitly cannot no lynch. We are forced to mandatory lynch each day

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/10/2026 at 11:32 PM (post #407)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 11:29 PM (post #402)

Probkem is if we lynch wrong tomorrow is likely LyLo

7 today, 5 tomorrow, 3 on DP4. Tomorrow won't be LyLo unless there is an extra kill.

Well its Lylo if we Mag1c is town. Its Mylo if he is not. A no lynch would actually be better

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 11:33 PM (post #408)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 12:32 AM (post #406)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 11:29 PM (post #402)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/11/2026 at 12:26 AM (post #398)

I think it has to be 1 scum in Mag1c and WF. If we miss with Mag1c, then we lynch WF and go to final three unless something ground-shattering happens before then

Probkem is if we lynch wrong tomorrow is likely LyLo

True. Let me look at this again but if we have the option to not lynch then we could use Mylo to force scum to limit the pool and allow Mag1c to speak before we decide.

Probkem is we explocitly cannot no lynch. We are forced to mandatory lynch each day

Fuck man. I will verify.

This game feels very scum sided to me now >.<

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 12:35 AM (post #410)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 11:33 PM (post #408)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 12:32 AM (post #406)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/10/2026 at 11:29 PM (post #402)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/11/2026 at 12:26 AM (post #398)

I think it has to be 1 scum in Mag1c and WF. If we miss with Mag1c, then we lynch WF and go to final three unless something ground-shattering happens before then

Probkem is if we lynch wrong tomorrow is likely LyLo

True. Let me look at this again but if we have the option to not lynch then we could use Mylo to force scum to limit the pool and allow Mag1c to speak before we decide.

Probkem is we explocitly cannot no lynch. We are forced to mandatory lynch each day

Fuck man. I will verify.

This game feels very scum sided to me now >.<

It says it explicitly in day 1 thread

You cannot vote to end the day phase without killing a player, the day phase just continues until someone is lynched.

Yeah.. Well then.. We do have to eleminate

Well whatever. I am confident enough in Mag1c.

Bastard mechanics were expressly voiced to me not to be in the game.

If they were blackmailed I would have expected them to use their votes to communicate given they can vote multiple times

I do not see game balance with a role that vanalizes + a blackmailer from what we know

I did not see Mag1c as town D1

Pretty much my view.

VTL: Mag1cman

alright. Im ready to move on and get some rest.

L1

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Helz (1/4): Mag1cman (p#8)

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VTL: Mag1cman

Whoever can pull the trigger when they are comfortable doing so. I am not sure if anything else productive can happen past flavor claims and things will be more simple tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 12:41 AM (post #416)

VTL: Mag1cman

Whoever can pull the trigger when they are comfortable doing so. I am not sure if anything else productive can happen past flavor claims and things will be more simple tomorrow.

That was rbe trigfer

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Mag1cman (4/4): whiteflame (p#288), NoAhLeEcLaRk (p#293), Kohai (p#414), Helz (p#416)

Helz (1/4): Mag1cman (p#8)

Not Voting (2): Lunatic, Thoth

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⚠️ Mag1cman has reached the lynch threshold. Hammer appears to be p#416.

Orrr. I just hammered. Lol

Well we will see what haooebs from there