Well its not Lunatic/NoAhLeEcLaRk as a team, because I have high sus. that he is a scum
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why would I get rid of my "partner" if I was also a scum,?
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Assuming for now that the Blackmail is fake, I'd have a hard time believing that Helz is scum. He's drawn a great deal of attention to it, I think he'd at least be more equivocal on the possibility of me vs. Mag1c than he has been, and I just don't see a world in which that team decides to go for it on this kind of claim, particularly not with the whole "this is a bastard mechanic" framing.
Assuming the Blackmail is real, it's possible that Helz is scum, but he's obviously not paired with Mag1c.
So yeah, at this point, I can understand unpairing the two of them at this point. If they are paired, Helz is hard bussing his partner and it seems entirely unnecessary to go this hard.
Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 11:11 PM (post #211)
Well its not Lunatic/NoAhLeEcLaRk as a team, because I have high sus. that he is a scum
Sussing someone doesn't mean you can't be paired. Bussing is a thing and just saying you sus Luna doesn't mean you can't be partners. I don't believe that you are right now, but that's not the main reason.
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 10:07 PM (post #209)
Yeah. Pretty much the long and short of it. I do not see any world where its possible for game balance that scum has both unless some townie has some crazy God level powers.
Pie helped balance this game and he is probably the strongest player who's been on this site for a long time, so read into that what you will.
In response to whiteflame's #12, I disagree in principle with criticizing the balance of an ongoing game. I've learned by hosting games that what you think is unbalanced sometimes turns out not to be once you know the entire setup.
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I've seen silencer twice on here before that I can recall, and both times the host said that player X was silenced. Leaving it non-host confirmed makes it more interesting imo
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Ok, I understand
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Actually it may have only been once, in Mag1c's K-Pop Demon Hunters game
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Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 10:15 PM (post #213)
Assuming for now that the Blackmail is fake, I'd have a hard time believing that Helz is scum. He's drawn a great deal of attention to it, I think he'd at least be more equivocal on the possibility of me vs. Mag1c than he has been, and I just don't see a world in which that team decides to go for it on this kind of claim, particularly not with the whole "this is a bastard mechanic" framing.
Assuming the Blackmail is real, it's possible that Helz is scum, but he's obviously not paired with Mag1c.
So yeah, at this point, I can understand unpairing the two of them at this point. If they are paired, Helz is hard bussing his partner and it seems entirely unnecessary to go this hard.
Silencing yourself or a teammate for WIFOM is a thing
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I would like people to consider my post #57
Just look at the links. The gamestate. What was going on there. I get that referencing previous games is rough given it kinda takes reading a bunch of crap and understanding what happened there but it is a parallel I am drawing to Mag1c here. The whole bit of pushing someone without reason combined with my egocentric view of the kill and actions.
Im recognizing my bias there. But its jumping out at me.
Kohai's #246 yesterday is now supermassive TMI
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Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/9/2026 at 11:22 PM (post #221)
Kohai's #246 yesterday is now supermassive TMI
Vanillaizers are quite common around here and didn’t want to take the risk of not being able to confirm my role
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Mmm. Interesting catch.
"+ a minute chance of being hit with vanillaizer" <Post he is referencing so others don't gotta look it up
Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/9/2026 at 11:20 PM (post #219)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 10:15 PM (post #213)
Assuming for now that the Blackmail is fake, I'd have a hard time believing that Helz is scum. He's drawn a great deal of attention to it, I think he'd at least be more equivocal on the possibility of me vs. Mag1c than he has been, and I just don't see a world in which that team decides to go for it on this kind of claim, particularly not with the whole "this is a bastard mechanic" framing.
Assuming the Blackmail is real, it's possible that Helz is scum, but he's obviously not paired with Mag1c.
So yeah, at this point, I can understand unpairing the two of them at this point. If they are paired, Helz is hard bussing his partner and it seems entirely unnecessary to go this hard.
Silencing yourself or a teammate for WIFOM is a thing
Blackmailing =/= Silencing. It wasn’t announced so they could just fake it if that was the aim and get exactly the same result.
Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 10:24 PM (post #223)
I'm gonna head to bed, if anyone has questions, I'll keep my laptop open to see the messages, but i'm really tired
Take care. I hope whatever issue you have gets solved.
Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/9/2026 at 10:24 PM (post #222)
Vanillaizers are quite common around here and didn’t want to take the risk of not being able to confirm my role
They are not super common and I don't know why you would feel the need to mention that role out of all the other roles that occasionally pop up on here.
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Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 10:25 PM (post #225)
Blackmailing =/= Silencing. It wasn’t announced so they could just fake it if that was the aim and get exactly the same result.
Que es la diferencia?
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Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/9/2026 at 11:28 PM (post #228)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 10:25 PM (post #225)
Blackmailing =/= Silencing. It wasn’t announced so they could just fake it if that was the aim and get exactly the same result.
Que es la diferencia?
Again, lack of announcement. Silencing comes with mod confirmation in the OP. Blackmailing comes with nothing. Faking it yields the same result as actually doing it, assuming the mod even allows a scum player to Blackmail another scum player.
Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/9/2026 at 11:24 PM (post #223)
I'm gonna head to bed, if anyone has questions, I'll keep my laptop open to see the messages, but i'm really tired
Get some rest and be well.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 10:29 PM (post #230)
Again, lack of announcement. Silencing comes with mod confirmation in the OP. Blackmailing comes with nothing. Faking it yields the same result as actually doing it, assuming the mod even allows a scum player to Blackmail another scum player.
Oh ok. I thought you were saying that blackmailing and silencing were two words for the same ability and it's mod discretion whether they announce it or not.
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Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/9/2026 at 11:31 PM (post #232)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 10:29 PM (post #230)
Again, lack of announcement. Silencing comes with mod confirmation in the OP. Blackmailing comes with nothing. Faking it yields the same result as actually doing it, assuming the mod even allows a scum player to Blackmail another scum player.
Oh ok. I thought you were saying that blackmailing and silencing were two words for the same ability and it's mod discretion whether they announce it or not.
They do function differently, though I'll admit, my knowledge of how a Blackmailer works is pretty limited. Got a lot more experience with Silencers and they're consistently announced in the OP.
Did you at least get a chance to use your role last night before vanillaization?
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Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 10:29 PM (post #230)
Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/9/2026 at 11:28 PM (post #228)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 10:25 PM (post #225)
Blackmailing =/= Silencing. It wasn’t announced so they could just fake it if that was the aim and get exactly the same result.
Que es la diferencia?
Again, lack of announcement. Silencing comes with mod confirmation in the OP. Blackmailing comes with nothing. Faking it yields the same result as actually doing it, assuming the mod even allows a scum player to Blackmail another scum player.
I do not think anyone thinks a blackmailer did that to their own team. More of a question of if its just faked.
I can not imagine any advantage to actually doing a blackmail on a team mate N1. If anything the team mate would fake it and then try to confirm themselves as town with a second blackmail N2.
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/9/2026 at 11:34 PM (post #235)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 10:29 PM (post #230)
Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/9/2026 at 11:28 PM (post #228)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/9/2026 at 10:25 PM (post #225)
Blackmailing =/= Silencing. It wasn’t announced so they could just fake it if that was the aim and get exactly the same result.
Que es la diferencia?
Again, lack of announcement. Silencing comes with mod confirmation in the OP. Blackmailing comes with nothing. Faking it yields the same result as actually doing it, assuming the mod even allows a scum player to Blackmail another scum player.
I do not think anyone thinks a blackmailer did that to their own team. More of a question of if its just faked.
I can not imagine any advantage to actually doing a blackmail on a team mate N1. If anything the team mate would fake it and then try to confirm themselves as town with a second blackmail N2.
It's not really a question for me: it's either faked or Mag1c was really Blackmailed as Town. Unless someone can confirm that I was Vanillaized by Town, I'm inclined to believe the former.
And yeah, I can't see an advantage either.
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