Epstein's Island Mafia DP3

Well fuck. Almost certain it’s wf. Gotta check and want to make sure I don’t rush

the Big WIfOM question; Would wf claim vanillaized?

This is the point where everyone should be full claiming. If this is an issue of balance, then everyone should at least be clear that there is an imbalance to be had. Especially considering what Mag1c was, the Blackmailer/Vanillaizer does not seem nearly as improbable as it was, though I really don't like that no one has claimed to have received an invention from Mag1c last DP.

My attention is chiefly on Helz and Kohai at this point, like I said in my reads last DP. The fact that Mag1c's vote immediately went to Helz and that he didn't have to wait for any insights from DP2 should have everyone's alarm bells going off.

My main worry is a Helz / Luna team or a Luna / Thoth team.

Mag died n1 sussing Thoth and Noah was pushing Luna last DP.

And by last DP, I mean DP1. Mag1c would have given an invention to someone.

Thoth’s flavor claim stands out as they’re the only ones who claimed an accuser

Accusers v accused as theme split?

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/11/2026 at 10:41 AM (post #7)

Thoth’s flavor claim stands out as they’re the only ones who claimed an accuser

Unlikely. We know scum have a Blackmailer at this point, whether you buy the Vanillaizer or not. Can't imagine the Blackmailer is among Epstein's victims.

Meant that as a response to your theme split theory.

I think it's also unlikely that Thoth just straight claimed his character as scum in general, though that doesn't mean he's not scum.

Epstein’s Island Mafia Claimslist

Graveyard

Lynched DP1:

Shining - You are Bill Gates. In addition to your work on technology, you have been involved in many healthcare initiatives, accelerating access to vaccines and injecting people with microchips to track them and keep them safe. Because of your work improving global health, you are the 2x Doctor, which is also the name of a game you may have played with children on Epstein’s Island. On two nights of your choosing, you can select a player to protect from fatal attacks. You win with the Town.

Died NP1:

Magoroth - You are Michael Jackson. Often called the “King of Pop,” you are widely regarded as one of the most culturally significant figures of the 20th century. You were also accused of sexually abusing at least 10 children, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein connections. Because you are widely known for your music, you are the Singer. If you die at night, a random living town player’s role PM will be revealed to the mafia. You win with the Town.

Lynched DP2:

Mag1cman - You are Dean Kamen. In addition to being named hundreds of times in the Epstein Files, you invented the Segway and hold over 1,000 patents. Therefore, you are the Inventor. You have the following inventions you can give out during the day: 1x Commuter, 1x Tracker, and 1x Watcher. You can only give out one item per day, and an item must be locked in on the day it’s given by the user who receives it for the coming night or it will expire. You win with the Town.

Died NP2:

NoAhLeEcLaRk - You are David Copperfield. Among other illusions, you temporarily vanished the Statue of Liberty and your property taxes for two private islands. Because you rely on misdirection to deceive the audience and shift their attention away from your connections with Epstein, you are the 2x Redirector. You can shift any player’s actions to target a player of your choosing. You win with the Town.

Living

Claims

Kohai- Bill Clinton- Popular, confirmed (post 4/95, dp1)

Helz- Ehud Barak- Either VT or PGO 

whiteflame- DJT - BP - Claimed vanillaized

Unclaimed

Lunatic

Thoth

Full claim time

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/11/2026 at 10:43 AM (post #10)

Meant that as a response to your theme split theory.

Fair. What do you suppose is the split

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/11/2026 at 10:48 AM (post #14)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/11/2026 at 10:43 AM (post #10)

Meant that as a response to your theme split theory.

Fair. What do you suppose is the split

Those visiting the island for any reason and those running the show, i.e. Epstein/Maxwell/Dershewitz. Given the Blackmailer, we can be almost certain one of the latter two is in here.

Town

Inventor

2x redirector

2x doctor

Singer

Claims

Popular

Bullet proof

Either VT / PGO

Mafia

Known to have a black mailer and possibly vanillaizer

Thjs balance is so fucked up

Especially with 3 negative utility roles

Possible teams

Helz / Lunatic

Helz / WF

Helz / Thoth

Lunatic / WF

Lunatic / Thoth

Whiteflame / Thoth

From those 6 teams gonna start looking for pairings / unpairings

Just realized this is up. I am Stephen Hawking, and I am the cop. Np1 I got an innocent on Helz, np2 I got a guilty on Thoth. Justification in a nut shell is that I have one of the greatest minds in history, and nothing escapes my analysis.

I will vote thoth, but I will give everyone a chance to post first so there isn't a quick hammer.

Not sure who thoth's partner is, but I would like to sus that out before we hammer him. My guess would be between WF and noah, but who knows. Kohai seems town to me. Helz could be a godfather, but I kind of buy the result on him. Maybe that is ignorant of me.

Well that finally clears things up

So probably exactly wf / Thoth

I knew Thoth’s flavor stuck out

Thoth sticks out

-Mag died n1 voting him

-Is the only accuser

Wf

-I don’t buy vanillaizer / blackmail

-I don’t buy two protective roles.

Gonna look at their interactions

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/11/2026 at 11:55 AM (post #20)

Just realized this is up. I am Stephen Hawking, and I am the cop. Np1 I got an innocent on Helz, np2 I got a guilty on Thoth. Justification in a nut shell is that I have one of the greatest minds in history, and nothing escapes my analysis.

I will vote thoth, but I will give everyone a chance to post first so there isn't a quick hammer.

Alright, so straight up Cop then? Little odd for Hawking in particular, though he is in the Epstein files. I believe there would be a Cop or similar in this game, partly for balance and partly due to the only investigative so far being roles gifted by an Inventor.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/11/2026 at 12:18 PM (post #24)

Wf

-I don’t buy vanillaizer / blackmail

-I don’t buy two protective roles.

Gonna look at their interactions

I’m a bit confounded by the first at this point. If you buy a claimed Cop plus you see the flipped Inventor, what exactly don’t you buy about the Vanillaizer/Blackmailer? The lack of PRs was a problem going into this DP, but not nearly so much anymore.

As for two protective roles, you can believe what you want on that front at this point. I don’t see the issue there considering one is self-protective and the other is a Doctor, which is a common pairing for a lot of games for town protectives.

I’m also a bit confused why you aren’t considering flavor here at all. Do you think Trump is scum, and if so, what do you think the theme split is? If you don’t, do you think I’d fake that claim, or that he wouldn’t be likely at all to be present in this game?

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/11/2026 at 11:59 AM (post #21)

Not sure who thoth's partner is, but I would like to sus that out before we hammer him. My guess would be between WF and noah, but who knows. Kohai seems town to me. Helz could be a godfather, but I kind of buy the result on him. Maybe that is ignorant of me.

Noah’s dead, so that means you’re largely just considering me atm. Is it just POE or do you have an active reason to sus me?

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/11/2026 at 10:27 AM (post #25)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/11/2026 at 11:55 AM (post #20)

Just realized this is up. I am Stephen Hawking, and I am the cop. Np1 I got an innocent on Helz, np2 I got a guilty on Thoth. Justification in a nut shell is that I have one of the greatest minds in history, and nothing escapes my analysis.

I will vote thoth, but I will give everyone a chance to post first so there isn't a quick hammer.

Alright, so straight up Cop then? Little odd for Hawking in particular, though he is in the Epstein files. I believe there would be a Cop or similar in this game, partly for balance and partly due to the only investigative so far being roles gifted by an Inventor.

I mean considering hawkings mental acuity, the justification made sense to me.

Noah’s dead, so that means you’re largely just considering me atm. Is it just POE or do you have an active reason to sus me?

Right, I am retarded. I didn't realize noah was dead. POE is part of it, but we are still playing into the idea that there was a vanillizer and a blackmailer np1, with no counters to two protective roles, a cop and the watcher/tracker abilities that magic had. So unless mafia have some powerful role that accounts for two of those happening as well as counters to multiple investigations and protections, it's a bit of a stretch. Behaviorally you are fine, I suppose you haven't done anything wrong. I was initially town reading you when you had claimed vanillized and even bought you over magic last day phase. Do you see the dilemma we face here?

So far only thoths character really feels like an outlier here. So mafia must have used at least one question to secure a good fake.

Info list

Graveyard

Shining- Bill Gates- 2x Doctor, Town (Lynched DP1)

Magoroth- Michael Jackson- Singer, Town (Killed NP1)

Mag1cman- Dean Kamen- Inventor (1x Commuter, 1x Tracker, 1x Watcher), Town (Lynched DP2)

NoAhLeEcLaRk- David Copperfield- 2x Redirector, Town (Killed NP2)

Living

Claims

Kohai- Bill Clinton- Popular, confirmed (post 4/95, dp1)

Helz- Ehud Barak- Vanilla or Paranoid Gun Owner, does not visit (post 14/174 dp1, post 136 dp2)

whiteflame- Donald Trump- 1x Bulletproof (must announce use), claims he was Vanillaized NP1 (post 79/357, dp2)

Lunatic- Stephen Hawking- Cop. NP1: Helz innocent. NP2: Thoth guilty (post 20, dp3)

Thoth- Virginia Giuffre- Role unclaimed (post 371, dp2)

Unclaimed

None (Thoth’s role still unclaimed)