Epstein's Island Mafia DP3

Ignore me. Things are making sense now. Im down for whatever plan you think is best, I trust you.

Myself / Kohai / WF

That is the way forward imo. We can default to Thoth but as the safe option but it only means we deal with the same situation of Helz/Kohai/WF tomorrow but without your voice.

I would rather have your voice in the situation.

Biggest issue is we can not split our votes. 100% of town needs to exactly vote right or we loose.

And in this situation not just right, but also not split. If that makes sense.

Wrapped up my business thing btw. Rough draft I worked up but just so you guys do not think I was using real life to excuse participation (Which I never do) this was my draft:

Repair conditions Frank fixing plumbing because it was flooding the office.

Applicable sections state:

Section 13 “MOVE-IN CONDITION: Tenant has inspected the leased premises and accepts it in its present (as-is) condition unless expressly noted otherwise in this lease or in an addendum. Landlord and any agent have not made no expressed or implied warranties as to the condition or permitted use of the leased premises or Property.”

So you accepted the property in its current condition.

Section 15 part C- “Repair and maintence Responsibility: Except as otherwise provided by this Paragraph 15, the party designated below, at its expense, is the responsibility to maintain and repair the following specified items must be maintained in clean and good operable condition. Etc…”

Section 15 part D subsection 11-

T (11)Plumbing systems, drainage systems and sump pumps

So dealing with plumbing is your responsibility.

Section 15 part E- “Repair Persons: If the Tenant conducts repairs they must be completed by trained, qualified, and insured repair persons. The Landlord reserves the right to preform repairs themselves or use whatever they feel is appropriate to conduct required repairs so long as the Tenant approves of the end product quality and it follows all legal requirements”

So if repairs were done we had to do them ourselves or be done by a licensed plumber who is also insured.

Section 15 part G-

“Notice of Repairs: Landlord must make a repair for which Landlord is responsible within a reasonable period of time after Tenant provides Landlord written notice of the needed repair. If Tenant fails to repair or maintain an item for which Tenant is responsible within 14 days after Landlord provides Tenant written notice of the needed repair or maintenance etc…”

So if repairs needed to be done and they were the landlords responsibility we had to be given written notice. This means my mailbox or email per contract. From backend conversations I do not think any of us care but tell me if you need something fixed. I literally would have done that for you even though its not my obligation to do so.

Section 15 part H-

“Failure to repair: Landlord must make a repair for which Landlord is responsible within a reasonable period of time after the Tenant provides the Landlord Written notice of the needed repair”

For future reference. Does not matter but just pointing it out for future problems.

Claus 12 sub section A: landlord may access the leased premises at any time for any reasonable purpose so long as the landlord will not unreasonably interfear with the tenants business.

-That does not mean come drink one to six beers on property then open our doors fo the public during non business day. And or give out free parts that you have no idea what they go to.

Applicable section states:

“Landlord may access the leased premises at any time for any reasonable purpose so long as the landlord will not unreasonably interfere with the tenant’s business operations when accessing the leased premises. “

I think we all agree here. While we did come up there to talk business and it was the first meeting of owners looking at the condition of the property if you have any problem with us drinking beer as we chat it will never happen again. Simple fix.

The issue brought up of us not knowing what belongs to who is valid. While the seat given away was given with the request of a good google review and future business and came from the bottom of a pile of seats, the other concern is understood of us giving away things that belong to a customer. While not a contract problem we can address this moving forward.

Section 36 L being told to pay rent access will be given to us is extortion.

So there is no applicable section for this. I can simply say that to be there you owe rent. On top of rent you basically have a 1268$ personal loan which is bad and why we will never again go there. I understand Jay has legal problems which I will help as I can. Lets not confuse the fact he has problems with the fact you are using a building, its equipment, and owe money to use it. Independent of requesting video this is a hard reality.

On if the contract was changed- On August 30 at 12:25PM Anthony.j.Mueller was given a digital copy of the proposed agreement. It was not changed to mess with camera inclusion. That never happened. I have other versions of the contract than that and I spent hours offering to go line by line walking through the details with you. I feel this is unfair.

Bill from 07/21/2026 to 08/19/2026 for electric

As for the light bill it even states in lease we signed 1st of September any bill occurance that was accumulated before that date is not ours. Also when we 25h for a light bill we are given an auto generated invoice not the bill

Well to start the original time frame was supposed to be from July 1st to August 1st. The agreement I had verbally was that was the month that was free. We gave a second month just to make the deal work (which very honestly no owner ever consented to or was happy about) because Jay had legal problems and all that. That’s fine. Contractually your exempt from the rent in August. It says nothing about the electric bill. We are fine with pro-rating that to make things work. But understand this is after paying over 5000$ in rent and 2 electric payments. Please understand how much we are bending over backwards to make this work here.

Then to be given a date and a deadline. The continence of disturbing and constant phone calls to all members involved in signing our lease contract and members who did not sign

I am very unsure what this means. I have total and absolute authority to sign for my side. My understanding is that your business is Frank, Anthony, and Jay. While I have written contact information for Frank and Jay the only phone number I have for Jay is Anthony’s. I am calling Anthony’s number to ensure him and Jay are up to date on what’s going on and their concerns are herd as we navigate these conflicts. I was instructed that he was the guy to go to for a number of things and have acted in accordance with that.

It has never been expressed to me that contact to Anthony is unwanted or that Anthony was removed from the business. If that is whats being insinuated let me know. It does nothing to change lability but I have no problem not reaching out to him if desired. And if you felt he needed to sign the contract as well we can also change that. I have absolute signing authority / agency to enter contractual agreements for my side if that was the concern.

So lets get into the Landlords concerns-

Applicable section states:

Section 4 A

“Base monthly Rent: On or before the first day of each month during this lease, Tenant will pay Landlord base monthly rent as described on attached Exhibit or as follows:

From 9/1/26 to 12/1/26 2500 a month”

Basic thing. 1st of the month rent is due.

Section 4 F

Place of Payment: Tenant must pay all rent timely without demand, deduction, or offset except as permitted by law or this lease. If Tenant fails to timely pay any amounts due under this lease or if any checks of Tenant is returned to Landlord by the institution on which it was drawn, Landlord after providing written notice to Tenant may require Tenant to pay subsequent amounts that become due under this lease in certified fund. This paragraph does not limit Landlord from seeking other remedies under this lease for Tenant’s failure to make timely payments with good funds”

Basic thing. I collect money and you pay regardless of other concerns outside of the law. Unless you want to argue a legal violation outside of the contract you still pay and we dispute issues separately from you paying rent. Saying “We will get this or else we will not pay” is not legal or an acceptable position.

Section 4 G

“Late Charges: If Landlord does not actually receive a rent payment at the designated place of payment within 5 days after the date it is due, Tenant will pay Landlord a late charge equal to 12.5% of the amount due. In this paragraph, the mailbox is not the agent for receipt for Landlord. The late charge is a cost associated with the collection of rent and Landlord’s acceptance of late charge does not waive Landlords to exercise remedies under paragraph 20”

(This is 312.5$) We could charge this. I am not looking to. Keep in mind it does apply and if we do not charge it its yet again us doing you a favor. And it clarifies that some promise of payment means nothing.

Section 8 A- Insurance agreement of 500k.

Section 8 B- Tenant must give landlord a copy of insurance certificates

I think its obvious you guys are not doing this and do not intend to. Nobody is happy about this.

Section 20 B

“If Landlord does not actually receive at the place designated for payment any rent due under this lease within 7 days after its due, Tenant will be in default etc..”

Conditions of Default. They are very easily met. I would like us to continue forward but I probably have 3 different things I could put you in default on.

Section 20 C

If Tenant is in default, Landlord may with at least 5 days written notice to Tenant: Terminate this lease, or (ii) terminate Tenant’s right to occupy the leased premises without terminating this lease and may accelerate all rents which are payable during the remainder of this lease or any renewal period. Landlord will attempt to mitigate any damage or loss caused by Tenants breach using commercially reasonable means etc..”

This is making it clear we can lock you out of the building within this timeline. Basically what will happen if payments do not happen. Time is not an option without money. Things will move very quickly.

Section 34

“All notices under this lease must be in writing and are effective when hand-delivered, mailed by certified mail return receipt requested, sent by a national or regional overnight delivery service that provides a delivery receipt, or sent by confirmed facsimile transmission to etc..”

(Basically my physical address or email and your guys addresses and emails)

Just something to clarify moving forward- this is how things work if you want to be litigious. I don’t. I would rather look you in the eye as a man and agree on things and have them happen.

Section 4 part C

Revenue-sharing Agreement: The tenant will pay 25% of Gross income minus cost of parts and rent to landlord for the first 1,000$ payable to the landlord. After 1,000$ the tenant will pay 15% of Gross income minus the cost of parts and rent to the landlord.

So looking at this it has not been upheld at all. Its also concerning that last month just looking at Norms bike sale was 1,700$. That’s not including a single other project. Only 800$ of income would cover everything. And by this agreement that in itself would be an additional 425$.

I dislike having to unpack this. I very much do not want to argue about the contract. I spent days of my life working on that contract and offering to walk through line by line on every bit of the contract and I hated hearing that you think I removed camera stuff to scheme as I twittle my mustache in a high backed chair to screw you.

End of story is simply that you pay money or you do not have access to the building. You have had 2 months of payment due and there are 2 electric bills. Technically 3 if we are talking about what cost is being created right now. Without touching profit sharing which again, we have been very kind about I truly hope you understand that there is no time without money. You need to at least pay back the electric loans and your rent or we will go into default and there will absolutely be no time. I will throw everything on the building out on the street

Time in the building costs money. Its that simple.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 11:17 PM (post #122)

Myself / Kohai / WF

That is the way forward imo. We can default to Thoth but as the safe option but it only means we deal with the same situation of Helz/Kohai/WF tomorrow but without your voice.

If I had to make a call on thoths scum partner it would be whiteflame or kohai and of the two, I would say I am probably leaning whiteflame more than kohai. I am willing to remove you off the table for being scum completely, and if I am wrong, well by jove you are good at scum lol you had me fooled hard.

Ignore that if you do not want to vet my participation btw. Woulda thrown it in a cut but the cut option this site has is only blacking out text. (Would be super cool to get the other thing especially with a reunion game I have in mind)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/12/2026 at 12:22 AM (post #126)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 11:17 PM (post #122)

Myself / Kohai / WF

That is the way forward imo. We can default to Thoth but as the safe option but it only means we deal with the same situation of Helz/Kohai/WF tomorrow but without your voice.

If I had to make a call on thoths scum partner it would be whiteflame or kohai and of the two, I would say I am probably leaning whiteflame more than kohai. I am willing to remove you off the table for being scum completely, and if I am wrong, well by jove you are good at scum lol you had me fooled hard.

I am about on the same page. WF is a scary good player and they have made a ton of sense. There is also just a lot that points at them.

I also question what the wolfs other role was if we accept WF is teamed with Thoth. Its an entire question given the only actions we have seen that seem to come from scum are removing WF's role and the BM. So if WF is the scum and lied about having their role removed what is the other scum and what do we know there?

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 11:26 PM (post #128)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/12/2026 at 12:22 AM (post #126)

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 11:17 PM (post #122)

Myself / Kohai / WF

That is the way forward imo. We can default to Thoth but as the safe option but it only means we deal with the same situation of Helz/Kohai/WF tomorrow but without your voice.

If I had to make a call on thoths scum partner it would be whiteflame or kohai and of the two, I would say I am probably leaning whiteflame more than kohai. I am willing to remove you off the table for being scum completely, and if I am wrong, well by jove you are good at scum lol you had me fooled hard.

I am about on the same page. WF is a scary good player and they have made a ton of sense. There is also just a lot that points at them.

I also question what the wolfs other role was if we accept WF is teamed with Thoth. Its an entire question given the only actions we have seen that seem to come from scum are removing WF's role and the BM. So if WF is the scum and lied about having their role removed what is the other scum and what do we know there?

My guess is scum have some sort of counter to magic, me, or the doctor. Only thing that really makes sense balance wise

Yeah. It would make sense. I am also paranoid.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/12/2026 at 12:23 AM (post #113)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/11/2026 at 4:01 PM (post #71)

All I can say is that I’m amazed anyone thinks I would either blindly fake claim Trump here or ask about him as one of the two characters I could ask were in the game and actually receive a “no” for his presence in a game about Epstein Island.

Also, feeling that tinfoil hat again: why are we writing off a Thoth/Luna pairing again? Because of bussing?

I mean you should always be wary of a bus, but a bus is just incredibly unnecessary here. There isn't much in the way of town confirmation going on in this game, so for me to bus Thoth here would be pretty extra for no reason. Also giving helz a cop clear would be counter productive, when he would be an ideal mislynch target for scum in a thoth/luna world.

I agree, though if you were in my shoes, I think you'd at least be considering it. Normally, I'd be dismissing it entirely, but I'm in a similar boat with any of my choices for susses.

We have under a day to make two lynches. We really need to move and make progress

The sad part about all this is that I know I'm the likely lynch and I'm not even mad about it. I'd probably make the same choice in any of your shoes because I tend to favor mechanical information over anything else.

And I know the only part of my claim that's working in my favor is that I'm DJT himself. I don't think it's believable at all that DJT wouldn't be in this game based on the theme, and I put out that claim before many of you had claimed, so you'd just have to believe that, in a game that Pie helped craft about Epstein Island, he just decided not to include DJT. It would be the single most baffling omission I've ever seen in a game of Mafia.

But I know that's all modpsych. I know that's balanced against implausible scenarios where Kohai or Helz have both a passive role and an active role, something I've seen and implemented in games before, but which is relatively uncommon. Alternatively, I know that's balanced against a scenario where Luna hard busses Thoth in a situation engineered to make him look like the obvious lynch. The Cop claim would have been enough to get him townread, and no, I don't see much reason to bus in this situation or get a green check on Helz other than to just carry that into the final DP and hope Helz votes with him. It's not impossible, but it's implausible.

I'm not giving up, but I can see the writing on the wall and I knew this was a steep climb going into this DP. Part of me just wants to push for a Thoth lynch and hope that the flip will give some helpful insight, but I know it's going to come down to me next DP anyway. I'd still love to see a vote from him and the longer he waits, the more I believe he's likely just scum waiting for an opportunity to get a quickhammer the moment someone casts a vote on me.

Anyway, I've said my piece. There won't be another DP if you guys do end up lynching me, so I'm not really concerned with time remaining unless we're considering another lynch. Otherwise, see you guys in the endgame.

Apologies all, deadline is supposed to be 10/14/2026 at 02:00PM Eastern. Put the wrong date/time for some reason.

Originally Posted by Savant on 10/12/2026 at 9:25 AM (post #134)

Apologies all, deadline is supposed to be 10/14/2026 at 02:00PM Eastern. Put the wrong date/time for some reason.

Well, at least that's 2 days and change. Thanks for the adjustment.

Originally Posted by Savant on 10/12/2026 at 9:25 AM (post #134)

Apologies all, deadline is supposed to be 10/14/2026 at 02:00PM Eastern. Put the wrong date/time for some reason.

Thank G-d

The longer Thoth does nothing the more I wanna resolve him today

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/12/2026 at 8:45 AM (post #137)

The longer Thoth does nothing the more I wanna resolve him today

Yeah. I keep going back through you and WF and I feel like I am getting nowhere. Thoth would be the safe play. I just figure it guarantees they kill Luna and we are right back here afterwards.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/12/2026 at 10:02 AM (post #138)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/12/2026 at 8:45 AM (post #137)

The longer Thoth does nothing the more I wanna resolve him today

Yeah. I keep going back through you and WF and I feel like I am getting nowhere. Thoth would be the safe play. I just figure it guarantees they kill Luna and we are right back here afterwards.

Yeah. If Thoth was town he’d know Luna was scum and would vote him. He isn’t voting and if scum could take away town vote they’d have win already

I'll start it off, no reason to wait any longer, everyones chimed in except thoth.

VTL thoth

Well fuck. I suppose I will drop what I half ass had together then..

So to be clear- every single town has to vote together for town not to loose. Given Luna voted and can not unvote we now are obligated to pull this trigger.

Ack

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Not Voting (5): Helz, Kohai, Lunatic, whiteflame, Thoth

With 5 players alive, the base elimination threshold is 3. Configured role modifiers may change vote power or an individual player's threshold. Day phase ends in 21 hours.
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Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/12/2026 at 11:09 AM (post #140)

I'll start it off, no reason to wait any longer, everyones chimed in except thoth.

VTL thoth

Use VTL: to have the bot trigger the vote

I'm fine with it. Noting the lack of a quickhammer here. Three possibilities there:

At least one member of the scum team is offline

Luna is scum

Thoth is scum

Or... you know, the bot just didn't register the vote.

You could still vote here. Whether you're town or scum, I can't fathom why you haven't yet beyond just being absent.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/12/2026 at 11:18 AM (post #147)

Or... you know, the bot just didn't register the vote.

Pretty confident savant will count it regardless.

I may update the bot to recognize both VTL: and VTL as valid

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/12/2026 at 11:20 AM (post #148)

You could still vote here. Whether you're town or scum, I can't fathom why you haven't yet beyond just being absent.

This. 1000000% this