Epstein's Island Mafia DP4

Well thank fucking god

Flip makes me extremely paranoid for Luna.

Results??

And there's the confirmation of the Vanillaizer.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/12/2026 at 12:33 PM (post #5)

And there's the confirmation of the Vanillaizer.

Which makes me paranoid of Luna.

I have seen Luna hard bus like this before

Damn, going to need to really consider this one. So either it's another Mafia JOAT with a Popular + Blackmailer (Kohai) or it's just Luna and there's a lot of choices I don't understand.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/12/2026 at 12:35 PM (post #7)

Damn, going to need to really consider this one. So either it's another Mafia JOAT with a Popular + Blackmailer (Kohai) or it's just Luna and there's a lot of choices I don't understand.

Getting nightmares from the Pitt game by Banana and they claimed a guilty result on their partner Wylted

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/12/2026 at 12:34 PM (post #6)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/12/2026 at 12:33 PM (post #5)

And there's the confirmation of the Vanillaizer.

Which makes me paranoid of Luna.

I have seen Luna hard bus like this before

Yeah, I can't dismiss that possibility. Would he really just fake claim Cop 2 games in a row?

Gonna need to slow down here.

One big red flag is Noah died with a strong sus of Luna. Why would scum kill a newbie?

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/12/2026 at 12:36 PM (post #9)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/12/2026 at 12:34 PM (post #6)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/12/2026 at 12:33 PM (post #5)

And there's the confirmation of the Vanillaizer.

Which makes me paranoid of Luna.

I have seen Luna hard bus like this before

Yeah, I can't dismiss that possibility. Would he really just fake claim Cop 2 games in a row?

Yeaj. Actually let’s consider NkA

Magoroth died N1 voting Thoth

Noah died N2 sussing Luna

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/12/2026 at 12:37 PM (post #11)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/12/2026 at 12:36 PM (post #9)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/12/2026 at 12:34 PM (post #6)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/12/2026 at 12:33 PM (post #5)

And there's the confirmation of the Vanillaizer.

Which makes me paranoid of Luna.

I have seen Luna hard bus like this before

Yeah, I can't dismiss that possibility. Would he really just fake claim Cop 2 games in a row?

Yeaj. Actually let’s consider NkA

Magoroth died N1 voting Thoth

Noah died N2 sussing Luna

Valid points. I'm not voting any direction for a while, need to think through a lot of this and I want to hear from Luna.

Hey there, got an innocent on whiteflame.

That's unsurprising that helz was killed, he probably shouldn't have claimed soldier, but oh well.

Mafia must have some sort of counter to me, so I have to take it with a grain of salt, but I would say im like 90% sure whiteflame is town with being vanillized. Using a vanillize on themselves is just masochistic. The self silence isn't as surprising.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/12/2026 at 10:36 AM (post #10)

Gonna need to slow down here.

One big red flag is Noah died with a strong sus of Luna. Why would scum kill a newbie?

My guess is that mafia weren't too scared of power roles, because they had counters to everything. He had already claimed a redirector at this point. I thought it was strange because it seems noah would have been an optimal mislynch target for them.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/12/2026 at 10:36 AM (post #9)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/12/2026 at 12:34 PM (post #6)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/12/2026 at 12:33 PM (post #5)

And there's the confirmation of the Vanillaizer.

Which makes me paranoid of Luna.

I have seen Luna hard bus like this before

Yeah, I can't dismiss that possibility. Would he really just fake claim Cop 2 games in a row?

Also two games in a row without a cop? Just kind of a rarity in and of itself.

Thoth had a strongman and a ninja so that accounts for counters to two of the power roles, technically vanilizer could have countered cop as well. Chances are the other scum is just a blackmailer plus the potential for passive popular.

Town

2x doctor

2x redirector

Inventor

soldier

Claims

Bullet proof

Popilar

Cop

Known mafia

Blackmailer

JOAT

Think about this: Witj the balance of power popular makes zero sense for scum to have

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/12/2026 at 12:46 PM (post #18)

Thoth had a strongman and a ninja so that accounts for counters to two of the power roles, technically vanilizer could have countered cop as well. Chances are the other scum is just a blackmailer plus the potential for passive popular.

Do you have any results?

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/12/2026 at 10:48 AM (post #20)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/12/2026 at 12:46 PM (post #18)

Thoth had a strongman and a ninja so that accounts for counters to two of the power roles, technically vanilizer could have countered cop as well. Chances are the other scum is just a blackmailer plus the potential for passive popular.

Do you have any results?

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/8i/epsteins-island-mafia-dp4?comment_number=13

VTL: Kohai

I think whiteflame is basically confirmed here. I am going to hedge my bets that it is kohai. I didn't initially want to think popular scum could have extra abilities, but it seems obvious that it has to have. Hedging my bets here, if I am wrong, well, GG I guess.

I guess if you don't hammer immediately you are town confirmed.

VTL: Lunatic

Well here we go.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/12/2026 at 10:34 AM (post #6)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/12/2026 at 12:33 PM (post #5)

And there's the confirmation of the Vanillaizer.

Which makes me paranoid of Luna.

I have seen Luna hard bus like this before

The biggest argument against a bus here is that whiteflame was a prime suspect all game. I have 0 reason to town confirm him by opting for thoth. Helz was wanting to kill outside of thoth all of last day phase, we managed to convince him to vote thoth. For me to have bussed I would have purposely had to choose the path of most resistance, and have opted into confirming whiteflame by killing the vanillizer. Makes no sense. Scum could have won yesterday.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/12/2026 at 10:33 AM (post #5)

And there's the confirmation of the Vanillaizer.

Also you have about 20+ hours, so plenty of time to sus this out, question us, etc, though I do have to go to bed relatively soon, so if you have anything you want to ask me, please do so in the next hour or so. I will be on this evening as usual but you may be alseep.

the game is jn your hands.

I’ll be on later after work

WF, I know this comes down to you, so I’ll keep it simple and let you think. Every result I’ve given has been right. Helz innocent, flipped town. Thoth guilty, flipped Maxwell. You innocent, and you know that one’s true. If I were scum, why would I hand town Thoth and then clear the one player who’s been a prime suspect all game? I’d just have needed one bad town vote yesterday. Why I’m alive: The Soldier was the one role that guaranteed town a win in the endgame, so it had to go before anything else. Go back to your own reads. DP3 you had Helz and Kohai as your focus and were favoring Kohai. DP2 you didn’t like Kohai jumping on Helz right next to Mag1c. Kohai claimed Clinton at post 4 of DP1, the most obvious character for scum to check with a host question, which is something you warned about yourself. He also put town Mag1c at L1.

Take your time. I’m not going anywhere.