State Attorneys General Mafia DP2

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/26/2026 at 3:52 PM (post #150)

What's your theory on why lunatic was picked to be the NK?

Been trying to figure that one out. I don't think he did anything particularly notable DP1, either in the softclaims department or just establishing himself as town. The fear kill is a possibility, but it's weird that scum would focus on that given his lack of activity. It's not like was actively working to solve the game at the time, though Luna is known to perk up and really work hard to figure things out. It's also notable that Pie replaced Luna in for Kohai. If it was just a personality fear kill, then that choice would have to have pissed off the scum team.

That's a long way for me to say I'm still scratching my head over it. Maybe they just randomized among unclaimed players? Maybe they thought Luna's absence made it more likely he was hiding a PR of note?

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/26/2026 at 4:20 PM (post #152)

Part of me thinks there is potential that the scum team wanted him in chat and that's the reason for the NK. I know Kohai's reaction almost clears him, but it could be me misreading it, and to top it off if anyone was going to specifically kill lunatic so he was in the scum chat it would definitely be you, so it's fucking with my head but I don't want to consider a whiteflame lunatic team right now,

Kohai would pretty much have to have known my role existed in the game for him to be scum. Do we think it's at all likely that Pie informed him of it? I asked him well before using it if he was going to say outright that there was a twilight phase during which I would choose, but he told me it was just 15 minutes post-lynch that I'd get a chance to select someone else or NL. He was absent anyway so it didn't matter, but I don't think he'd tell me that if the scum team was somehow informed that there was a Governor or similar role in play.

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/26/2026 at 4:20 PM (post #152)

Part of me thinks there is potential that the scum team wanted him in chat and that's the reason for the NK. I know Kohai's reaction almost clears him, but it could be me misreading it, and to top it off if anyone was going to specifically kill lunatic so he was in the scum chat it would definitely be you, so it's fucking with my head but I don't want to consider a whiteflame lunatic team right now,

This actually makes a lot of sense. I was considering if there was scum between you and Kohai/Luna (Whiteflame is confirmed, considering Banana in my town pile for that claim) but killing Luna because kohai was your teammate and ragequit and you wanted a competent replacement is making me reconsider the game a bit.

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/26/2026 at 4:38 PM (post #154)

My concern was you and him being scum together, it's in the back of my head and probably just my own paranoia. If he was also coincidentally going through something personal, than your NK of lunatic to recruit him to your team makes sense.

Anyway it's paranoia and probably not something we should engage with too seriously.

I said this earlier when someone else mentioned the possibility. I kind of get the paranoia. My main knock against this particular scenario is that I wouldn’t do that to him after 4 straight games of his being scum. That’d be seriously cruel, especially given I’ve been through it before. I had a hard enough time convincing him to side with scum when he wasn’t coming off of this many games as scum, so I’d imagine this would be damn near impossible.

I am Keith Kautz, 2x Adjudicator. I can commute someone at night. Justification is that I have reviewed a metric fuck ton of decisions and often reconsidered them or given someone a second chance, and can also make someone leave the proceedings (not sure if that means escorting someone out of the courtroom or not).

To my surprise, Pie said this would even block Strongman or strengthened actions, which makes me think scum do not have strongman since that rather defeats the point of Strongman imo.

I used this on whiteflame last not and was told that my action failed. Possibly useful information since whiteflame’s claimed role would not do that.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/26/2026 at 4:25 PM (post #153)

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/26/2026 at 4:20 PM (post #152)

Part of me thinks there is potential that the scum team wanted him in chat and that's the reason for the NK. I know Kohai's reaction almost clears him, but it could be me misreading it, and to top it off if anyone was going to specifically kill lunatic so he was in the scum chat it would definitely be you, so it's fucking with my head but I don't want to consider a whiteflame lunatic team right now,

Kohai would pretty much have to have known my role existed in the game for him to be scum.

Why? He could have just been blitzed at the end of the DP, hence the outsized reaction to being suddenly lynched. Usually he's lynched as town all the time and doesn't react like that. When your lynched as scumit usually feels worse. Scum would know his slot was surviving, because the lynch was announced as Noah. Then they had all NP to basically pick Kohai's replacement via the NK.

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 10/26/2026 at 5:54 PM (post #158)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/26/2026 at 4:25 PM (post #153)

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/26/2026 at 4:20 PM (post #152)

Part of me thinks there is potential that the scum team wanted him in chat and that's the reason for the NK. I know Kohai's reaction almost clears him, but it could be me misreading it, and to top it off if anyone was going to specifically kill lunatic so he was in the scum chat it would definitely be you, so it's fucking with my head but I don't want to consider a whiteflame lunatic team right now,

Kohai would pretty much have to have known my role existed in the game for him to be scum.

Why? He could have just been blitzed at the end of the DP, hence the outsized reaction to being suddenly lynched. Usually he's lynched as town all the time and doesn't react like that. When your lynched as scumit usually feels worse. Scum would know his slot was surviving, because the lynch was announced as Noah. Then they had all NP to basically pick Kohai's replacement via the NK.

I don’t think Kohai continues to insist he was town after he was lynched in that case. The shift to Noah was not announced until the following day. Again: you’d have to believe scum were informed of the existence of a role that could reverse the lynch, or that Kohai was just adamant out of pure frustration after he’d recognized that he’d been lynched. I don’t buy the latter scenario and I don’t think Pie gives scum that information. That’s modpsych, but I think it’s well-informed.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/26/2026 at 5:52 PM (post #157)

I am Keith Kautz, 2x Adjudicator. I can commute someone at night. Justification is that I have reviewed a metric fuck ton of decisions and often reconsidered them or given someone a second chance, and can also make someone leave the proceedings (not sure if that means escorting someone out of the courtroom or not).

To my surprise, Pie said this would even block Strongman or strengthened actions, which makes me think scum do not have strongman since that rather defeats the point of Strongman imo.

I used this on whiteflame last not and was told that my action failed. Possibly useful information since whiteflame’s claimed role would not do that.

Does this also cause the commuted player to be roleblocked since they 'leave town'?

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/26/2026 at 5:52 PM (post #157)

I am Keith Kautz, 2x Adjudicator. I can commute someone at night. Justification is that I have reviewed a metric fuck ton of decisions and often reconsidered them or given someone a second chance, and can also make someone leave the proceedings (not sure if that means escorting someone out of the courtroom or not).

To my surprise, Pie said this would even block Strongman or strengthened actions, which makes me think scum do not have strongman since that rather defeats the point of Strongman imo.

I used this on whiteflame last not and was told that my action failed. Possibly useful information since whiteflame’s claimed role would not do that.

This was probably an RB if what you’re saying is true.

Why did you wait for other claims before claiming this?

While we’re at it, have you asked Pie about order of operations here with your role? Like, what could block you?

Official Vote Count:

Banana (2/4) - Wylted, Lunatic

Wylted (1/4) - Mago

Thoth (1/4) - Whiteflame

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 10/26/2026 at 4:58 PM (post #161)

Does this also cause the commuted player to be roleblocked since they 'leave town'?

I just asked and Pie said yes, to my shock since the role card never mentioned this. I just thought it blocked actions targeting them.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/26/2026 at 5:00 PM (post #162)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/26/2026 at 5:52 PM (post #157)

I am Keith Kautz, 2x Adjudicator. I can commute someone at night. Justification is that I have reviewed a metric fuck ton of decisions and often reconsidered them or given someone a second chance, and can also make someone leave the proceedings (not sure if that means escorting someone out of the courtroom or not).

To my surprise, Pie said this would even block Strongman or strengthened actions, which makes me think scum do not have strongman since that rather defeats the point of Strongman imo.

I used this on whiteflame last not and was told that my action failed. Possibly useful information since whiteflame’s claimed role would not do that.

This was probably an RB if what you’re saying is true.

Why did you wait for other claims before claiming this?

Because I was asleep

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/24/2026 at 3:43 PM (post #29)

I kinda sorta got info last night

Not opposed to a mass claim

I’m asking about this. What information did you think you’d gotten from your role being blocked? And then you said this:

I think it will do more harm than good until more info comes out

What info were you seeking? Later, you said this:

Let me read up and then I will think about it

What were you looking for from previous posts? What would have informed your decision to claim?

Sorry for not checking in, been busy with other things. What did I miss

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 7:19 PM (post #168)

Sorry for not checking in, been busy with other things. What did I miss

Thoth and Banana's claims.

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 26/10/2026 at 22:54 (post #158)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/26/2026 at 4:25 PM (post #153)

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/26/2026 at 4:20 PM (post #152)

Part of me thinks there is potential that the scum team wanted him in chat and that's the reason for the NK. I know Kohai's reaction almost clears him, but it could be me misreading it, and to top it off if anyone was going to specifically kill lunatic so he was in the scum chat it would definitely be you, so it's fucking with my head but I don't want to consider a whiteflame lunatic team right now,

Kohai would pretty much have to have known my role existed in the game for him to be scum.

Why? He could have just been blitzed at the end of the DP, hence the outsized reaction to being suddenly lynched. Usually he's lynched as town all the time and doesn't react like that. When your lynched as scumit usually feels worse. Scum would know his slot was surviving, because the lynch was announced as Noah. Then they had all NP to basically pick Kohai's replacement via the NK.

It feels much worse to get lynched as Town than as scum, if anything this makes Kohai Town... you could argue that Kohai was faking it up and was over the top in an effort to seem Towny but IMO the suicide part is because of other shit that was going on in his personal life. I don’t think scum Kohai lies about this kind of stuff, and I don’t buy that he was hiding in plain sight.

If he was so upset at being lynched at scum why did he not just admit to it?

I feel like Thoth, WF, Kohai/Luna and obviously yours truly are Town. There’s one Town in Rex/Wylted/Banana and the other one is just scum. If Kohai is scum then he played me pretty well but I just don’t see this happening.

If Thoth was scum - what exactly is he trying to do here? Give information that is totally useless and leads us nowhere? It feels more like a town mind set than a scum one.

Wf, doesn’t feel especially scummy to me and Scum governor seems like it would be op - unless someone would like to suggest how the lynch could’ve been redirected from Kohai to Noah yesterday?

Wf is the weakest there because it’s just a role-based read and some rather weak meta there for the most part. I don’t know how to pick between Banana/Rex/Wylted

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 26/10/2026 at 22:54 (post #158)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/26/2026 at 4:25 PM (post #153)

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/26/2026 at 4:20 PM (post #152)

Part of me thinks there is potential that the scum team wanted him in chat and that's the reason for the NK. I know Kohai's reaction almost clears him, but it could be me misreading it, and to top it off if anyone was going to specifically kill lunatic so he was in the scum chat it would definitely be you, so it's fucking with my head but I don't want to consider a whiteflame lunatic team right now,

Kohai would pretty much have to have known my role existed in the game for him to be scum.

Why? He could have just been blitzed at the end of the DP, hence the outsized reaction to being suddenly lynched. Usually he's lynched as town all the time and doesn't react like that. When your lynched as scumit usually feels worse. Scum would know his slot was surviving, because the lynch was announced as Noah. Then they had all NP to basically pick Kohai's replacement via the NK.

Possible perspective slip

Interesting. So Banana claims nobody visited WF and Thoth claims he visited WF but his action failed?

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 7:31 PM (post #171)

If Thoth was scum - what exactly is he trying to do here? Give information that is totally useless and leads us nowhere? It feels more like a town mind set than a scum one.

I don't get this townread on Thoth. Is it literally just because his role doesn't give information? Or is it because he says he got RB'd? Or both? If this is more than WIFOM, I'd like to know what that is.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 27/10/2026 at 0:37 (post #175)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 7:31 PM (post #171)

If Thoth was scum - what exactly is he trying to do here? Give information that is totally useless and leads us nowhere? It feels more like a town mind set than a scum one.

I don't get this townread on Thoth. Is it literally just because his role doesn't give information? Or is it because he says he got RB'd? Or both? If this is more than WIFOM, I'd like to know what that is.

He first told us that he had information, and then when he reveals that information it turns out it’s this really ambiguous thing that could mean almost anything. I don’t see the scum motivation in that. It looks more like a Townie thinking he may have found something but not being sure how to interpret it

I just asked Pie, if someone’s night action fails they do NOT visit that person so the claims are not conflicting and seemingly bear each other out

Banana, could you tell us why you decided to visit WF specifically?

Same question for Thoth

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 7:38 PM (post #176)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 27/10/2026 at 0:37 (post #175)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 7:31 PM (post #171)

If Thoth was scum - what exactly is he trying to do here? Give information that is totally useless and leads us nowhere? It feels more like a town mind set than a scum one.

I don't get this townread on Thoth. Is it literally just because his role doesn't give information? Or is it because he says he got RB'd? Or both? If this is more than WIFOM, I'd like to know what that is.

He first told us that he had information, and then when he reveals that information it turns out it’s this really ambiguous thing that could mean almost anything. I don’t see the scum motivation in that. It looks more like a Townie thinking he may have found something but not being sure how to interpret it

I disagree. It functions as a reason not to pursue him for a claim until more claims get out on the table, i.e. giving scum as much information as possible before he's forced to claim. And then his claim functions as a reason to put attention elsewhere and provides a pretty good likelihood that he'll be RB'd again, meaning he likely won't confirm his result next DP.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 26/10/2026 at 22:58 (post #160)

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 10/26/2026 at 5:54 PM (post #158)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/26/2026 at 4:25 PM (post #153)

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/26/2026 at 4:20 PM (post #152)

Part of me thinks there is potential that the scum team wanted him in chat and that's the reason for the NK. I know Kohai's reaction almost clears him, but it could be me misreading it, and to top it off if anyone was going to specifically kill lunatic so he was in the scum chat it would definitely be you, so it's fucking with my head but I don't want to consider a whiteflame lunatic team right now,

Kohai would pretty much have to have known my role existed in the game for him to be scum.

Why? He could have just been blitzed at the end of the DP, hence the outsized reaction to being suddenly lynched. Usually he's lynched as town all the time and doesn't react like that. When your lynched as scumit usually feels worse. Scum would know his slot was surviving, because the lynch was announced as Noah. Then they had all NP to basically pick Kohai's replacement via the NK.

I don’t think Kohai continues to insist he was town after he was lynched in that case. The shift to Noah was not announced until the following day. Again: you’d have to believe scum were informed of the existence of a role that could reverse the lynch, or that Kohai was just adamant out of pure frustration after he’d recognized that he’d been lynched. I don’t buy the latter scenario and I don’t think Pie gives scum that information. That’s modpsych, but I think it’s well-informed.

To be totally fair, we don’t know what roles scum have. They might have thought Governor was a possibility so them asking that question wouldn’t be totally out of the blue. It seems unlikely anyone would do this though. They would have to believe Kohai would put up a really good act and of the players alive in this game right now I don’t know if anyone would have this belief.

I won’t even get into the conspiracy theory that scum wanted Lunatic to replace into Kohai’s slot.