State Attorneys General Mafia DP2

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 10/26/2026 at 8:46 PM (post #207)

He stated before that he was surprised by the answer.

Yes, I was talking about Commuter blocking Strongman and strengthened actions because that defeats the purpose of strongman if you ask me. Having multiple levels of 'overridingness' is wild game design

But I still asked to be sure

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/26/2026 at 7:14 PM (post #198)

That doesn’t really answer my question. You said you “kinda sorta got info”, so I’d like to understand, what info did you think you got? You already knew by the time you posted this that I’d claimed to be responsible for shifting the lynch, so I’m still unclear what info you thought you’d gotten beyond you being RB’d by someone, which didn’t require any claims to clarify.

Right, so what I meant by, 'kinda sorta got info', is that I definitely had the information that my action failed, but was not sure that this information was useful.

I don’t get this. So you held off on claiming because… it would have done more harm than good to inform us all you’d been RB’d?

I didn't know that I had been roleblocked, and I suppose that I still don't know that. At least when I posted this, and probably still now, there were many reasons why my action could have failed, and at least some of those would likely hurt town if scum put the puzzle pieces together.

I don’t see what information could’ve been garnered from getting more or different claims beyond banking on a town RB. How does your claim help scum?

"How does your claim help scum?" The default assumption is that claims help scum, or otherwise we would massclaim at the start of day 1. Which I would actually like to try sometime to see how badly it fails, but I don't doubt that it would implode spectacularly.

Same lack of clarity. Give me a scenario where you could’ve looked up, seen someone post something, and decided not to claim.

If someone claimed to have Rolestopped you, assuming that their action had precedence over mine. In this case, the mystery of why my action failed would probably be solved, and there would be no reason for me to claim my role and thereby out that there was a mystery from my point of view.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/26/2026 at 5:05 PM (post #163)

While we’re at it, have you asked Pie about order of operations here with your role? Like, what could block you?

I have asked

and Pie said that he can only answer for specific scenarios.

In the scenario I just mentioned of someone Rolestopping my target, my action would fail

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/26/2026 at 11:18 PM (post #213)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/26/2026 at 7:14 PM (post #198)

Right, so what I meant by, 'kinda sorta got info', is that I definitely had the information that my action failed, but was not sure that this information was useful.

*sigh* For future reference, "I got RB'd" is not what I'd refer to as "info." It tells us the existence of someone who can RB. That's it. No one, in all the games I've played on here, has claimed they have info because they were unable to use their night action.

I didn't know that I had been roleblocked, and I suppose that I still don't know that. At least when I posted this, and probably still now, there were many reasons why my action could have failed, and at least some of those would likely hurt town if scum put the puzzle pieces together.

You know that your night action failed. You know that there are only so many ways that could have happened. What scenarios have you talked through with Pie up to this point? Because I've talked through several with him already and I know there are limited circumstances where your role could have been interfered with. Anyone could do that, he answers hypotheticals. So no, I don't particularly understand why going through those hypotheticals openly is a problem, especially given that you've already claimed your role.

"How does your claim help scum?" The default assumption is that claims help scum, or otherwise we would massclaim at the start of day 1. Which I would actually like to try sometime to see how badly it fails, but I don't doubt that it would implode spectacularly.

Why are you turning this into an abstract question? You breadcrumbed that you had information, so you had to know that we'd eventually want to find out what that was. You even said that you'd be willing to provide that information if enough claims came out. What value was there to receiving that information prior to your claim?

If someone claimed to have Rolestopped you, assuming that their action had precedence over mine. In this case, the mystery of why my action failed would probably be solved, and there would be no reason for me to claim my role and thereby out that there was a mystery from my point of view.

Again, though: why did you need to wait to see if someone claimed Rolestopper and selected me as a target? Why not just out that you'd been RB'd and see how people responded?

Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/26/2026 at 11:22 PM (post #215)

and Pie said that he can only answer for specific scenarios.

In the scenario I just mentioned of someone Rolestopping my target, my action would fail

So then, it's functionally equivalent to someone else RBing you. The only difference is who they targeted. By now, if you've been asking Pie the right questions, you'd know that it was impossible for me to have RB'd you.

I'm seriously just trying to get a handle on your thinking, Thoth, so I'm just going to put the focus in one place. You don't have to respond to the above, just address this.

Why did you want other claims to come in before you were willing to claim? Statements like "it will do more harm than good until more info comes out" imply that even stating that your night action had failed was dangerous prior to getting more claims. Walk me through the logic there. I get that you wanted to see if someone would just claim that they had interfered with your action, but why wait? What was the danger? What was the value in waiting? I get not wanting to claim, but I don't get this.

I'm knocking off here for the night. At least for right now, despite everything I've said so far, I think Thoth is more likely town than not. I'm not solid on that, and I have plenty I'm still concerned about despite largely feeling like he's being honest with me in his responses, but given that it doesn't look like there's a lot of protection in this game, I wouldn't be too surprised if he's the only protective role. I think someone would've CC'd him by now if not.

If people are on overnight, it'd be a good time to start kicking the tires on other players. I'll rejoin in the morning.

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/26/2026 at 12:38 PM (post #144)

i am the watcher. np1 i watched whiteflame since he was my biggest town read, no one visited him. i didnt want to claim but i dont want the dp wasted focusing on me...

justification is basically peter neronha is in charge of over sight, seeing who touched what and putting it on paper, therefor i am the watcher.

can we move on past me now?

This justification is pretty bad imo and I feel like it can be applied to like any AG so I’m not sure I buy it yet.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/26/2026 at 11:17 PM (post #220)

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/26/2026 at 12:38 PM (post #144)

i am the watcher. np1 i watched whiteflame since he was my biggest town read, no one visited him. i didnt want to claim but i dont want the dp wasted focusing on me...

justification is basically peter neronha is in charge of over sight, seeing who touched what and putting it on paper, therefor i am the watcher.

can we move on past me now?

This justification is pretty bad imo and I feel like it can be applied to like any AG so I’m not sure I buy it yet.

what more do you want from me

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/27/2026 at 1:46 AM (post #221)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/26/2026 at 11:17 PM (post #220)

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/26/2026 at 12:38 PM (post #144)

i am the watcher. np1 i watched whiteflame since he was my biggest town read, no one visited him. i didnt want to claim but i dont want the dp wasted focusing on me...

justification is basically peter neronha is in charge of over sight, seeing who touched what and putting it on paper, therefor i am the watcher.

can we move on past me now?

This justification is pretty bad imo and I feel like it can be applied to like any AG so I’m not sure I buy it yet.

what more do you want from me

Who do you scum read? You've been on defense all day phase.

Yeah, I agree with Luna and Wylted here, the problem is a lack of participation on any level beyond just being defensive. I haven't seen much at all in the way of reads from you, which makes it difficult to get into your head. The Watcher claim isn't bad, and it tracks with what Thoth has said about his role failing despite targeting me. It would be a risky claim given that there were still several unknowns in play who could have visited me. That is in your favor, but it's not reason enough to solidly townread you.

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/27/2026 at 6:14 AM (post #223)

I personally don't see what a mago or rex claim will get us.

I'm down for lynching on what we got. I also don't think my claim will change anyone's read on me one way or another so that's not going to help narrow down scum either.

Alright, so we have:

WF - Alan Wilson (South Carolina) - Governor

Wylted - Ken Paxton (Texas) - ???

Banana - - Watcher (watched WF NP1, no one visited)

Thoth - Keith Kautz (Wyoming) - 2X Adjudicator (failed NP1)

Kohai/Luna2.0 - Gentner Drummond - Pretender

REF - ??? - ???

Mago - ??? - ???

What's your preference atm?

Forgot to include Banana's character: Peter Neronha (Rhode Island)

You know, this whole time, I'm realizing I never bothered asking what role you got for NP1. Given that the role changes every NP, is there a reason you haven't mentioned it yet?

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/27/2026 at 9:50 AM (post #229)

My preference at the moment is banana, but am open for ref or mago.

But you don't want to seek either of their claims at this point? Are you scumreading either REF or Mago for any reason?

We've got just over 4 hours left in the DP and the only votes I can see were posted nearly or way more than 24 hours ago. Where the fuck is everyone?

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/27/2026 at 7:15 AM (post #228)

You know, this whole time, I'm realizing I never bothered asking what role you got for NP1. Given that the role changes every NP, is there a reason you haven't mentioned it yet?

I was an ascetic np1, didn't impact much and no one asked.

I am down to lynch banana

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/27/2026 at 10:42 AM (post #232)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/27/2026 at 7:15 AM (post #228)

You know, this whole time, I'm realizing I never bothered asking what role you got for NP1. Given that the role changes every NP, is there a reason you haven't mentioned it yet?

I was an ascetic np1, didn't impact much and no one asked.

Alright. That's at least confirmable to some extent, though I think if anyone had visited you, there would've been some mention of it.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/27/2026 at 10:42 AM (post #233)

I am down to lynch banana

I'm skeptical of Banana so far, don't like how defensive she's been.

Seriously, everyone, we're about 3 hours out and none of you are posting. What are your thoughts on a lynch?

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/27/2026 at 10:53 AM (post #236)

But you don't want to seek either of their claims at this point? Are you scumreading either REF or Mago for any reason?

POE but I think with scums ability to ask questions, they probably have a role they are hunting to eliminate and by keeping their roles secret it forces them to eliminate somebody who is in my scum pool.

We haven't seen any really powerful roles yet outside of bananas watched claim, and she might be scum anyway so potentially no powerful claims are out there so one of their roles could be like doctor or cop or something else and I would rather scum shoot in the dark

I wouldn't be surprised if one of them was scum, and though it's harder to believe they're both scum, I'm at least a little concerned about that. For right now at least, I'd say Luna 2.0 is my most solid townread, though that's entirely based off of how things went down at the end of the last DP. I have some reason to townread both you and Thoth, so yes, that leaves Banana, Mago and REF.

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/27/2026 at 10:55 AM (post #238)

No time

VTL BANANA

Not a lot of time to work with, but even with just 3 hours, I'm not rushing to this lynch yet. As far as I'm concerned for now, though, this is where I'm leaning.