Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 2:11 (post #92)
mago you are awfully defensive over Helz's claim. it makes me think you didn't just give him the nod but the claim was your ideal
I don’t give a fuck what scum thinks
Aamirus, have you been Hitler recently?
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Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 2:10 (post #91)
pushing Noah for that exposed banana last game as scum.
so you can't even call arguing that was a bad decision
ah yes “every decision that reveals scum is a good one"
lets Lynch mayor to troll and call it a good decision because scum was retarded and outed themselves even though that wasn’t part of the plan
can justify ANYTHING like this
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Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/9/2026 at 8:08 PM (post #90)
Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 10/11/2026 at 2:05 (post #87)
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/9/2026 at 8:01 PM (post #82)
Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 1:56 (post #79)
PGO is a very rare role anyways and the only times I’ve seen it, it was not compulsive. because it’s too bloody strong lol
It's not strong, it's anti-town. It's used in very big setups to cause general confusion and obscure extraneous killing roles, or in setups with limited visiting roles to ameliorate the damage it causes, or it can be a creative way to do anticlaim and allow extra kills if scum are given a redirector. Once the PGO claims they can redirect people to them to get extra kill(s).
every role is anti-town if used incorrectly.
idea as PGO is to pretend to be a PR so mafia visits you. there really is’t a mafia bible that says what roles are or aren’t antitown. bus driver - peak chaos. also extremely good because chaos is PRO-TOWN scum needs order.
Pretending to be power role is a dumb strategy because it will also get you doc'd, which scum will realize and may not even target you as a result. Then you as PGO just killa the doc and someone else gets NKd. Or maybe a tracker picks up on it and assumes you have an active role and so knows they will get a result by tracking you. This is one the most retarded plans as PGO I've ever heard of.
Scum doesn't need order. Scum already have information asymmetry. They thrive in chaos. Like this fucking DP.
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Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 10/11/2026 at 2:12 (post #95)
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/9/2026 at 8:08 PM (post #90)
Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 10/11/2026 at 2:05 (post #87)
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/9/2026 at 8:01 PM (post #82)
Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 1:56 (post #79)
PGO is a very rare role anyways and the only times I’ve seen it, it was not compulsive. because it’s too bloody strong lol
It's not strong, it's anti-town. It's used in very big setups to cause general confusion and obscure extraneous killing roles, or in setups with limited visiting roles to ameliorate the damage it causes, or it can be a creative way to do anticlaim and allow extra kills if scum are given a redirector. Once the PGO claims they can redirect people to them to get extra kill(s).
every role is anti-town if used incorrectly.
idea as PGO is to pretend to be a PR so mafia visits you. there really is’t a mafia bible that says what roles are or aren’t antitown. bus driver - peak chaos. also extremely good because chaos is PRO-TOWN scum needs order.
Pretending to be power role is a dumb strategy because it will also get you doc'd, which scum will realize and may not even target you as a result. Then you as PGO just killa the doc and someone else gets NKd. Or maybe a tracker picks up on it and assumes you have an active role and so knows they will get a result by tracking you. This is one the most retarded plans as PGO I've ever heard of.
Scum doesn't need order. Scum already have information asymmetry. They thrive in chaos. Like this fucking DP.
I won’t continue this debate over game balance but we can have it post game if you like
Aamirus, have you been Hitler recently?
- Kenny, 2019 (actual Mafia quote)
Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 2:15 (post #98)
I won’t continue this debate over game balance but we can have it post game if you like
I ain't debating shit post game. I am just going to dab on you.
suck my dick lmao
Aamirus, have you been Hitler recently?
- Kenny, 2019 (actual Mafia quote)
if wylted wins this because you all will believe some crap about some role not being the. way you think it is, then so be it, but the loss is on you, not me, I have never accepted this as a valid argument and never will
Aamirus, have you been Hitler recently?
- Kenny, 2019 (actual Mafia quote)
Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 2:24 (post #101)
more strawmanning. it isn't even a out it being different this time rather than every single other time lunatic used it in a game over the past decade. it's just not a role that is even going to exist in a game with this many visiting roles. and you think I forgot that you changed your role to veteran which behaves similarly to this non coercive PGO because you were trying to set up a bus.
can we just end this fucking game already so Mago can drop the facade and we can shit talk more honestly back and forth
and, just because a role looks bad - it invalidates the rest of the play? this is literally what caused me to get lynched in my first game, people didn’t buy me being sensor because of some bullshit - literally the exact same scenario
I never changed my role to veteran, I’ve always claimed soldier
again, shitty role vs idiot who speed hammered BEFORE SEEING ANY CLAIM and the only vanilla claim this game. why is there a vanilla in a game with et34535353 power roles? ONE single vanilla
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Originally Posted by wylted on 11/9/2026 at 5:56 PM (post #79)
if lunatic put a PGO in the game and he has multiple times. he has always made them compulsive and so do most people here. and every site I looked at lists PGOs as being compulsive.
so if it exists in the game
what game of his has a PGO?
boop!
Originally Posted by wylted on 11/9/2026 at 5:56 PM (post #79)
if lunatic put a PGO in the game and he has multiple times. he has always made them compulsive and so do most people here. and every site I looked at lists PGOs as being compulsive.
so if it exists in the game
what game of his has a PGO?
Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/9/2026 at 6:01 PM (post #81)
What the fuck even is this game. A non-compulsory PGO? Never seen that on any mafia site. It is probably one of the most SOP roles in the game to claim for that reason.
hmm have to agree, but if it is non compulsory maybe that balances it more?
boop!
idk on paper helz claim is a bit sus but i think id rather go mago since its less of a gamble since we already know one of him and u is scum.
boop!
also details matter. if someone can find a game of lunas where he used pgo it could help me decide about Helz more but I’d rather not go Helz on a blind assume
boop!
Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 2:50 (post #105)
mago is there a single reason that makes sense about you not voting me. I assumed you already did it, but I guess not which makes no sense. just do it lol. like If you were actually town than you would know that no hammer means I would have to be scum from your POV. there is no excuse to refrain from voting
I already voted you.
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if I’m wrong I’m sorry guys but out of Wylted and mago I have more problems with mago. i don’t like that he tried to pass his activity issues off as trying to blend in, after his initial plan wasn’t to even claim soldier so it was a wierd strategy. his early lack of participation was sus and he only got active after getting in the hot seat for it. i also don’t like him passing the blame for wylteds hammer when he was voting wryly as well, and just as culpable. i just haven’t felt right about mago this game idk. if im wrong i guess we lose.
we can figure out helz tomorrow
boop!
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