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I will just consolidate my defense to a few concise points-

-If I was scum I would have a team mate to talk to. I would run my claim by them. Everyone else has played here for a long time and I would be told that such a fake claim is awful. Given I am a careful player why as scum would I make such a claim

-Im sorry, but you are all on some total bullshit. I have the role. I am looking at it. Saying its not possible is just wrong.

-The only points to say I am scum are the claim and Banana saying Pie suspected me D2 which is simply not true from chat. I will say it again and again that everyone should skim his ISO. Its super quick and easy. But this take is simply wrong with the only indicator that I was suspected being Wylteds claimed night action but Banana could not know about that unless they had a chat

need anything from me? I kinda jus waiting on a hammer no rush but yeah my minds made up. also u not hammering basically confirms that Helz is the last scum so if mago scum and is lynched should be a win, unless I’m missing something. hmmm

I suppose if Banana is no longer going to play and just set on a path I basically have to gamble that they are scum. Rex is now the kingmaker. If you are scum well played. But while I am considering that Mag can be scum if one of them is bussing there its going to be a loss given both Wylted and Banana intend to snap vote D4.

So I loose if Rex is scum in every world

I loose if Mag is the lynch even if one of Banana or Wylted are town

I basically have to focus between Banana and Wylted and pray they are exactly the scum team. That sucks given I am still not confident on Mag and had hoped to sort them. Now I am basically obligated to defend them regardless of if I think they are town or not to have any chance of winning? Fuck man..

Still really disappointed that nobody is engaging on my point on Banana. I say it over and over and over and over and nobody even touches the subject. Reminds me of my first game here where I screamed at town for like 8 hours begging them to ask me anything and use their brains and I ended up getting lynched for a retarded detail that almost cost the town the game. This is frustrating.

Actually as a parallel I remember in that game too there was a player who had claimed to have made an entire case against me as I called them out for not even making one. Then they flipped scum. Feels like this situation with Banana saying Pie thought I was scum D2. As everyone lethargically accepts that as truth and does not bother to take 3 minutes to skim Pies ISO and verify those spoke words. Its just a lie 100%. Anyone can click a thing and check it~ That shit never happened and everyone can see it for themselves. Will anyone bother? Who knows. But part of me is getting to the point of feeling town does not deserve this win. When games start making me more frustrated than I enjoy them I kinda question what I am doing with my time.

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 10:47 AM (post #154)

also u not hammering basically confirms that Helz is the last scum

which is why I advised Helz to hammer. it's basically game throwing that he didn't because it makes it obvious

Oh, Its gamethrowing to want to uhh.. Play the fucking game? Like.. Talk about things and not snap vote?

You do realize I am not even confident Mag is town and I now just have to accept that I loose in every world going forward if they are not both town and we lynch between you and Banana because of this ridiculous way your are playing.

I would also expect a debate community to have a better understanding of the use of the strawman fallacy.

Are you just shoving to hammer the day? Yes. Yes you are. No strawman there

Are you flatly invalidating points made instead of talking about them? Yup

Are you interacting with the thread in any way to help solve? Nope. Not even a little bit. Your just declaring yourself right and calling everyone else stupid for not seeing things like you. And the sad part is your just fucking wrong. Its kinda funny from my view. Gona be real funny post game.

But seriously. Please dive in and play or just go away. If all your gona do is shut your brain off and insult people for not blindly following your pretty unjustified game solve why keep popping in? At the very least sit down and make a structured case against me or Mag or Rex or Banana as town or scum. Play the fucking game~ Or dont~

This middle ground of just popping in to invalidate any position instead of justifying your own is honestly getting under my skin. And its even more funny because you are getting away with it as scum repeating the same stuff with zero effort. I hope your overconfidence blows up in your face on this one and Rex actually takes time to consider things.

what do u mean “play the game”? i understand wanting to have a long running debate with someone and argue ur case, but this isn’t really a situation where that applies. Wylted forced a situation that makes it more or less obvious when he voted for mag and he didn’t get insta hammered. the only scum team u can sell at the moment is me and Wylted being scum together, because that is the only way mago is innocent. and u aren’t going to convince me of that lol.

so the only person u can really appeal to here is Rex.

from my pov Rex not hammering means he is likely town. that or mago is his scum partner and he’s hoping to convince u to vote elsewhere, but then id have to buy there’s no miller with a cop and plus his character fits that really well. so that kind of just leaves u as the only partner that makes sense. u could have bought yourself towncred like Wylted said by hammering mago. would have at least muddied the waters going into tomorrow, tho i would prolly still have a hard time buying Rex as scum over u.

anyways if you are scum i get the frustration, but its not like we aren’t playing to our wincon here, from a mechanical standpoint is seems pretty obvious that u and mago r scum here. the most i could do for u is say that its at least possible that rex is scum as well. i will consider that going into tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:13 AM (post #157)

what do u mean “play the game”? i understand wanting to have a long running debate with someone and argue ur case, but this isn’t really a situation where that applies. Wylted forced a situation that makes it more or less obvious when he voted for mag and he didn’t get insta hammered. the only scum team u can sell at the moment is me and Wylted being scum together, because that is the only way mago is innocent. and u aren’t going to convince me of that lol.

so the only person u can really appeal to here is Rex.

from my pov Rex not hammering means he is likely town. that or mago is his scum partner and he’s hoping to convince u to vote elsewhere, but then id have to buy there’s no miller with a cop and plus his character fits that really well. so that kind of just leaves u as the only partner that makes sense. u could have bought yourself towncred like Wylted said by hammering mago. would have at least muddied the waters going into tomorrow, tho i would prolly still have a hard time buying Rex as scum over u.

anyways if you are scum i get the frustration, but its not like we aren’t playing to our wincon here, from a mechanical standpoint is seems pretty obvious that u and mago r scum here. the most i could do for u is say that its at least possible that rex is scum as well. i will consider that going into tomorrow.

I mean I am actually digging in the thread referencing posts and making points. And it goes out the window. Nobody talks about it. I was not even hard set on you being scum but now I basically just have to hope that you are.

If you want to jump in and talk about it lets do that. Do you even see my point on you saying Pie D2 thought I was scum as unreasonable? Have you clicked on their ISO to see what I see there? I even put quotes in the thread. But you are not even addressing the issue and instead just defaulting to a focus on me not quick hammering Mag? This does not look good. This entire game has been starved for interaction and ending a Lylo without sorting people is ugly. At least I can sort Mag and consider them if you are engaging and playing the game but if your gona shut your brain off and say your gona lynch me regardless my only chance of winning changes. That is much less about what I am considering and much more about being forced to hope a slot is town that I am not even confident is and it sucks.

Originally Posted by Helz on 11/10/2026 at 10:20 AM (post #158)

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:13 AM (post #157)

what do u mean “play the game”? i understand wanting to have a long running debate with someone and argue ur case, but this isn’t really a situation where that applies. Wylted forced a situation that makes it more or less obvious when he voted for mag and he didn’t get insta hammered. the only scum team u can sell at the moment is me and Wylted being scum together, because that is the only way mago is innocent. and u aren’t going to convince me of that lol.

so the only person u can really appeal to here is Rex.

from my pov Rex not hammering means he is likely town. that or mago is his scum partner and he’s hoping to convince u to vote elsewhere, but then id have to buy there’s no miller with a cop and plus his character fits that really well. so that kind of just leaves u as the only partner that makes sense. u could have bought yourself towncred like Wylted said by hammering mago. would have at least muddied the waters going into tomorrow, tho i would prolly still have a hard time buying Rex as scum over u.

anyways if you are scum i get the frustration, but its not like we aren’t playing to our wincon here, from a mechanical standpoint is seems pretty obvious that u and mago r scum here. the most i could do for u is say that its at least possible that rex is scum as well. i will consider that going into tomorrow.

I mean I am actually digging in the thread referencing posts and making points. And it goes out the window. Nobody talks about it. I was not even hard set on you being scum but now I basically just have to hope that you are.

If you want to jump in and talk about it lets do that. Do you even see my point on you saying Pie D2 thought I was scum as unreasonable? Have you clicked on their ISO to see what I see there? I even put quotes in the thread. But you are not even addressing the issue and instead just defaulting to a focus on me not quick hammering Mag? This does not look good. This entire game has been starved for interaction and ending a Lylo without sorting people is ugly. At least I can sort Mag and consider them if you are engaging and playing the game but if your gona shut your brain off and say your gona lynch me regardless my only chance of winning changes. That is much less about what I am considering and much more about being forced to hope a slot is town that I am not even confident is and it sucks.

did u tag me in the post about the pie read? if not i likely didn’t know it existed. but also i am pretty sure i said he kind of seemed like he was scum reading you or interested in u i never said it was a hard read and thats also not the main reason i think you are scum, its mostly to do with Poe, plus Rex claim being stronger and u not hammering. the last scum can be easily identified next DP, so there really isnt a reason to not hammer here unless u are hoping for a happy lylo accident and town messing up. from ur pov me and mago have to be scum and u have to push rex to that, its the only chance u have at winning if ur scum, otherwise Rex would be hammered

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:29 AM (post #159)

did u tag me in the post about the pie read? if not i likely didn’t know it existed. but also i am pretty sure i said he kind of seemed like he was scum reading you or interested in u i never said it was a hard read and thats also not the main reason i think you are scum, its mostly to do with Poe, plus Rex claim being stronger and u not hammering. the last scum can be easily identified next DP, so there really isnt a reason to not hammer here unless u are hoping for a happy lylo accident and town messing up. from ur pov me and mago have to be scum and u have to push rex to that, its the only chance u have at winning if ur scum, otherwise Rex would be hammered

Im not sure if I tagged you. But I have been repeating over and over that people should take the 3 minutes required to do his ISO. He had like 10 posts D2 and I quoted a handful of them. Going through his entire play this game only takes a few minutes.

For reference my D3 post #53 I quote the specific takes Pie had D2. But this is why I am frustrated. People are not even taking the 3 minutes required to skim an ISO and understand the position I am making as Wylted is saying its an invalid point that we should not talk about. I also do not understand how me not snap voting and wanting to talk about players in a Lylo is some kinda scummy thing. I truly am town. I genuinely feel in games of mafia honest communication solves everything in the end when you are town. All I can say is that I want people to ask me anything and read me and understand my thoughts. If people read me wrong its something I understand. A failure on them to read correctly or a failure on me to allow myself to be read correctly. This thing where people refuse to listen and consider the words I am saying is what sucks.

We have not even really dived into the claims and how the PR structure fits. I made points on that and nobody seems to want to talk about it. What are we even doing here? Its fucking LYLO. We loose today if we screw this up. Why are we just shutting our brains off and marching off a cliff when we can unpack the issues and consider them?

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 11:37 AM (post #161)

Now I am basically obligated to defend them regardless of if I think they are town or not to have any chance of winning? Fuck man..

nope. just hammer and then I might not insta lynch you next dp.

Im sure that you will. And you will win. I do not see a world where you are not scum at this point. If you were town you would actually consider things instead of saying "Snap vote this dude and if you want to read people and talk about it first you must be partnered"

Your just saying the same stuff over and over invalidating points and not reading. I get what you want. Not gona get it from me. If you are bussing Mag I think I am just outplayed. I do not see that ATE argument you guys had as fake. But the productive thing you could do is make a case to why others are town / scum instead of just trying to force everyone to follow your lead. Especially after how badly you screwed town with your D2 hammer.

But the truth is you probably do not want to talk about any of it because you are just scum. The fact you are not even slightly interested in sorting what I pointed out about Banana suggests you either know they are Town because you are scum or that they are scum with you. But in every world you are just scum.

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 11:40 AM (post #163)

Are you just shoving to hammer the day? Yes. Yes you are. No strawman there

we already know for a fact mago is scum. you can argue I am mistaken next DP if I am still alive. who gives a fuck. why are you holding up this do for something we can address tomorrow?

Im sorry. So its a known fact. Can you explain this known fact to me? I am just too stupid and could not hear it over you just screaming that people should sheep your vote and not talk about anything else.

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 18:29 (post #159)

Originally Posted by Helz on 11/10/2026 at 10:20 AM (post #158)

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:13 AM (post #157)

what do u mean “play the game”? i understand wanting to have a long running debate with someone and argue ur case, but this isn’t really a situation where that applies. Wylted forced a situation that makes it more or less obvious when he voted for mag and he didn’t get insta hammered. the only scum team u can sell at the moment is me and Wylted being scum together, because that is the only way mago is innocent. and u aren’t going to convince me of that lol.

so the only person u can really appeal to here is Rex.

from my pov Rex not hammering means he is likely town. that or mago is his scum partner and he’s hoping to convince u to vote elsewhere, but then id have to buy there’s no miller with a cop and plus his character fits that really well. so that kind of just leaves u as the only partner that makes sense. u could have bought yourself towncred like Wylted said by hammering mago. would have at least muddied the waters going into tomorrow, tho i would prolly still have a hard time buying Rex as scum over u.

anyways if you are scum i get the frustration, but its not like we aren’t playing to our wincon here, from a mechanical standpoint is seems pretty obvious that u and mago r scum here. the most i could do for u is say that its at least possible that rex is scum as well. i will consider that going into tomorrow.

I mean I am actually digging in the thread referencing posts and making points. And it goes out the window. Nobody talks about it. I was not even hard set on you being scum but now I basically just have to hope that you are.

If you want to jump in and talk about it lets do that. Do you even see my point on you saying Pie D2 thought I was scum as unreasonable? Have you clicked on their ISO to see what I see there? I even put quotes in the thread. But you are not even addressing the issue and instead just defaulting to a focus on me not quick hammering Mag? This does not look good. This entire game has been starved for interaction and ending a Lylo without sorting people is ugly. At least I can sort Mag and consider them if you are engaging and playing the game but if your gona shut your brain off and say your gona lynch me regardless my only chance of winning changes. That is much less about what I am considering and much more about being forced to hope a slot is town that I am not even confident is and it sucks.

did u tag me in the post about the pie read? if not i likely didn’t know it existed. but also i am pretty sure i said he kind of seemed like he was scum reading you or interested in u i never said it was a hard read and thats also not the main reason i think you are scum, its mostly to do with Poe, plus Rex claim being stronger and u not hammering. the last scum can be easily identified next DP, so there really isnt a reason to not hammer here unless u are hoping for a happy lylo accident and town messing up. from ur pov me and mago have to be scum and u have to push rex to that, its the only chance u have at winning if ur scum, otherwise Rex would be hammered

Why are you not even considering the possibility of Rex being scum? It is not a stretch that the Miller claim can be scum, its a perfect claim for scum since it basically says “if you check ne im gonna show uo as red” so it would guve them cover.

like… you talk about PoE, but you should be just as skeptical about Helz as about Rex.

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 11:44 AM (post #165)

just in the future. once you know who scum is. delaying the game only helps scum. we all know it's mago here and whoever is town out of rex and helz is being an idiot. whoever is scum out of those two is also being an idiot because they could atleast hammer and have no cloud of suspicion over them

This literally sounds like scum coaching a town as they feel that town player is not playing right. Lol.

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 18:44 (post #165)

just in the future. once you know who scum is. delaying the game only helps scum. we all know it's mago here and whoever is town out of rex and helz is being an idiot. whoever is scum out of those two is also being an idiot because they could atleast hammer and have no cloud of suspicion over them

But nobody knows who scum is. The only one who does is me because I’m at L-1 and not hammered, so youre both obviously scum fmpov, but this doesn’t work for others. This is just an emotional appeal to get Rex to hammer because otherwise “hes an idiot”.

i get that you want me to engage with the pie tmi but i think your putting way too much weight on it. it doesn't change the bigger picture of why poe points to you and mago. rex's claim is stronger, mago fits the scum slot, and you had the chance to hammer mago but didnt.

i'm not saying you cant be town, but ur asking rex to ignore a pretty straightforward solve without really giving a reason to do so. i'm open to being wrong, but i need more than just another argument about how nobody is engaging with you.

also for anyone worried about me being scum I would like to remind everyone that I have not been apart of any of the mislynches, so unless u think scum just was lucky town fell on their sword with only one scum max in each lynch u have to admit this is a compelling argument in my favor

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 18:47 (post #168)

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 11:44 AM (post #165)

just in the future. once you know who scum is. delaying the game only helps scum. we all know it's mago here and whoever is town out of rex and helz is being an idiot. whoever is scum out of those two is also being an idiot because they could atleast hammer and have no cloud of suspicion over them

This literally sounds like scum coaching a town as they feel that town player is not playing right. Lol.

I realize from your perspective its not super obvious that the team is Wylted and Banana, but this is pretty nuch ut. Happy that someone else sees it. Im guessing you think Wylted is scum right? So i gotta convince you to vote Wylted and convince you Rex is town so y’all vote correctly tomorrow.

if youre unsure of my alignment or of Rex’s let me know what issues you have with them and i will try to dispell any concerns

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 18:51 (post #171)

also for anyone worried about me being scum I would like to remind everyone that I have not been apart of any of the mislynches, so unless u think scum just was lucky town fell on their sword with only one scum max in each lynch u have to admit this is a compelling argument in my favor

Why do you even remember if you were a part of any mislynches or not?

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:49 AM (post #170)

i get that you want me to engage with the pie tmi but i think your putting way too much weight on it. it doesn't change the bigger picture of why poe points to you and mago. rex's claim is stronger, mago fits the scum slot, and you had the chance to hammer mago but didnt.

i'm not saying you cant be town, but ur asking rex to ignore a pretty straightforward solve without really giving a reason to do so. i'm open to being wrong, but i need more than just another argument about how nobody is engaging with you.

So to be clear its less that I am putting a ton of weight on it and more that I keep bringing it up over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over-

Because nobody will fucking look at it and even consider it. Lol. Thats nuts. You guys can not all be scum. What the fuck.. How is it that I have made such a blatantly clear point and nobody even looks at it or talks about it? Why have we not looked at the mech breakdown of what roles fit? Why are we just going back and fourth as I am screaming at the town to just engage and do a tiny bit of sorting? I am uncomfortable with this gamestate. I do think Wylted is just lock scum and I am pretty lost as far as the other outside of that one indicator that you may be their partner. And nobody even wants to spend 3 minutes to look at it and acknowledge that its a point.

To be clear- Not a single person in this game has looked at Pie's ISO and said my point is reasonable. Or unreasonable. Or that I am flatly lying. Or anything. What the fuck? We are in Lylo. You can not all be scum. Why is nobody even bothering to look at these critical details?

I just had a wild brain wave of Rex being scum and being the only one not gung ho about this. I really hope that’s not the case but it would be kinda funny if he was scum and Wylted was Town. Almost want that to be the case so I can see Wylteds face when I flip Town

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 18:57 (post #174)

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:49 AM (post #170)

i get that you want me to engage with the pie tmi but i think your putting way too much weight on it. it doesn't change the bigger picture of why poe points to you and mago. rex's claim is stronger, mago fits the scum slot, and you had the chance to hammer mago but didnt.

i'm not saying you cant be town, but ur asking rex to ignore a pretty straightforward solve without really giving a reason to do so. i'm open to being wrong, but i need more than just another argument about how nobody is engaging with you.

So to be clear its less that I am putting a ton of weight on it and more that I keep bringing it up over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over-

Because nobody will fucking look at it and even consider it. Lol. Thats nuts. You guys can not all be scum. What the fuck.. How is it that I have made such a blatantly clear point and nobody even looks at it or talks about it? Why have we not looked at the mech breakdown of what roles fit? Why are we just going back and fourth as I am screaming at the town to just engage and do a tiny bit of sorting? I am uncomfortable with this gamestate. I do think Wylted is just lock scum and I am pretty lost as far as the other outside of that one indicator that you may be their partner. And nobody even wants to spend 3 minutes to look at it and acknowledge that its a point.

To be clear- Not a single person in this game has looked at Pie's ISO and said my point is reasonable. Or unreasonable. Or that I am flatly lying. Or anything. What the fuck? We are in Lylo. You can not all be scum. Why is nobody even bothering to look at these critical details?

What point exactly? That Pie wasnt scumreading you?

i think we're overlooking how many things actually stack up against mago here.

first, his early activity was pretty suspicious. he basically admitted that he was trying to blend in, which is a weird explanation to give when his initial plan wasnt even to claim soldier. he only really started becoming active once he was under pressure, which feels more reactive than genuine solving.

second, he tries to distance himself from wylted's hammer as if he wasnt equally responsible for it. he was voting there too. you cant just shift the blame onto wylted when you were participating in the exact same decision.

third, look at how he reacts when i vote him. instead of really addressing the reasons i gave, he immediately goes to telling rex to vote wylted or me if he dies. pretty convenient positioning for someone who supposedly has nothing to worry about.

and mechanically, the poe makes the most sense with mago here. rex's claim is stronger, and the alternative worlds require a lot more assumptions to work. we're not just voting mago because we have a vague bad feeling. we're voting him because his behavior, his positioning, and the mechanical situation all point in the same direction.

i dont think we need absolute certainty to make this vote. i think we need to recognize which world requires the fewest excuses, and thats the one where mago is scum.

i am willing to drop the “Helz is automatically his scum partner” argument for now, as i will probably weigh everything from scratch tomorrow anyway. and i admit i am prolly giving Rex more town cred than deserved

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 18:59 (post #177)

i think we're overlooking how many things actually stack up against mago here.

first, his early activity was pretty suspicious. he basically admitted that he was trying to blend in, which is a weird explanation to give when his initial plan wasnt even to claim soldier. he only really started becoming active once he was under pressure, which feels more reactive than genuine solving.

second, he tries to distance himself from wylted's hammer as if he wasnt equally responsible for it. he was voting there too. you cant just shift the blame onto wylted when you were participating in the exact same decision.

third, look at how he reacts when i vote him. instead of really addressing the reasons i gave, he immediately goes to telling rex to vote wylted or me if he dies. pretty convenient positioning for someone who supposedly has nothing to worry about.

and mechanically, the poe makes the most sense with mago here. rex's claim is stronger, and the alternative worlds require a lot more assumptions to work. we're not just voting mago because we have a vague bad feeling. we're voting him because his behavior, his positioning, and the mechanical situation all point in the same direction.

i dont think we need absolute certainty to make this vote. i think we need to recognize which world requires the fewest excuses, and thats the one where mago is scum.

i am willing to drop the “Helz is automatically his scum partner” argument for now, as i will probably weigh everything from scratch tomorrow anyway. and i admit i am prolly giving Rex more town cred than deserved

How am I to blame for someone quickhammering when I was AT WORK. This argument makes no sense unless you think Wylted and I are both scum.

Again, youre not even considering the possibility that Rex might ge scum just because of his role. What gives. Miller is a perfect fakeclaim for scum, and tying it in to some char is really fucking easy lol.

Also, theres a difference between absolute cettainty and considering all possibilities, which you clearly havent. Again, Rex is completely off your radar, this makes no sense for Town you.

Originally Posted by Helz on 11/10/2026 at 10:57 AM (post #174)

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:49 AM (post #170)

i get that you want me to engage with the pie tmi but i think your putting way too much weight on it. it doesn't change the bigger picture of why poe points to you and mago. rex's claim is stronger, mago fits the scum slot, and you had the chance to hammer mago but didnt.

i'm not saying you cant be town, but ur asking rex to ignore a pretty straightforward solve without really giving a reason to do so. i'm open to being wrong, but i need more than just another argument about how nobody is engaging with you.

So to be clear its less that I am putting a ton of weight on it and more that I keep bringing it up over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over-

Because nobody will fucking look at it and even consider it. Lol. Thats nuts. You guys can not all be scum. What the fuck.. How is it that I have made such a blatantly clear point and nobody even looks at it or talks about it? Why have we not looked at the mech breakdown of what roles fit? Why are we just going back and fourth as I am screaming at the town to just engage and do a tiny bit of sorting? I am uncomfortable with this gamestate. I do think Wylted is just lock scum and I am pretty lost as far as the other outside of that one indicator that you may be their partner. And nobody even wants to spend 3 minutes to look at it and acknowledge that its a point.

To be clear- Not a single person in this game has looked at Pie's ISO and said my point is reasonable. Or unreasonable. Or that I am flatly lying. Or anything. What the fuck? We are in Lylo. You can not all be scum. Why is nobody even bothering to look at these critical details?

if I have a specific point u want me to read and respond to in regards to pie, tag me specifically and ask me. u r kind of a long winded rant style poster so admittedly i dont really read all of ur posts or responses to everyone and sometimes just skim them, or try to go to the end to see the salient points. it would be kind of exhausting to read all of it and respond to everything in depth. pie wears me down by doing that all the time too and half the time i just don’t have the mental wherewithal to engage him because of it.

also I’m willing to discuss mech, there’s not like a ton i can say for it other than liking certain roles matching justifications but I’ll admit a couple of the roles in the graveyard wouldn’t have been my first guesses as matches to their respective characters

Also your 1st argument doesnt work either. How would me blending in work at alk if I claim my actual role? Pointless